Miracles of the Qur'an: The barrier that divides two seas..

[CWH]

Hello Rose

But the Christian religion today is not preventing women having an education, and filling their potential. I do not see these restrictions happening. Women and men are free to believe in God and Jesus and go about their daliy business as they choose. If there is imbalance/injustice in today's society it is because of male domination. I say again; blame man and not God.

Women are given equal rights in coming to God and worshipping Him and believing in Him. All the sisters-in-Christ that I know would not complain that God is biased against them.

It is a fact that in ancient times women had a bad deal and that has been reflected in the cultures of the OT period, but in the eyes of God, women have had equal opportunity to be saved. What do you think the ratio of men to women will be amongst those who make it to the kingdom of God. On man's past performance, I would expect more women than men will get there.

All the best,

David

Agree with you David. I would like to add that many women are not so ambitious and many do not wish to take the leadership roles which comes with greater responsibilities and higher stress. In modern times, there are maids, babysitters, child care centres to help look after their children and there are many modern day machines to ease house chores, thus many women have the time to pursue their educations and ambitions in life. This is unlike ancient days when such luxuries were not available and somehow someone have to look after the children and do housechores.

God Blessings to you and all.

[Rose]

Yes, Rose should be a Muslim for a few months together with her husband, and only then will they appreciate how much better is the treatment of the Christian God is towards women. There is no maltreatment against women in God's or Allah's eyes, it is what we perceived it as. This is also caused by men's misinterpretation of the scriptures in the Bible and the Koran.

Culi26 presence in this forum is God-sent, he will be a good contender for the male bias against women debate in this forum. Hope he will cure Rose obsession.

God Blessed.


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Hey Cheow, why don't you try walking in a woman's shoes before you go spouting off your mouth. All you do is make yourself look extremely foolish with your misogynistic utterances!

Just because Christianity treats women better than Islam doesn't mean it's good. Look at it this way; it is better that I slap you than stab you, but slapping you is still NOT good! Women have been treated horribly by Christian men who used Scripture to justify their wicked deeds; the sad thing is that the Bible is written so they could do that.

The only reason you call my exposure of the truth an obsession is because you know it's true and you don't want to deal with it.

Rose

[Rose]

Hello Rose

But the Christian religion today is not preventing women having an education, and filling their potential. I do not see these restrictions happening. Women and men are free to believe in God and Jesus and go about their daliy business as they choose. If there is imbalance/injustice in today's society it is because of male domination. I say again; blame man and not God.

Women are given equal rights in coming to God and worshipping Him and believing in Him. All the sisters-in-Christ that I know would not complain that God is biased against them.

It is a fact that in ancient times women had a bad deal and that has been reflected in the cultures of the OT period, but in the eyes of God, women have had equal opportunity to be saved. What do you think the ratio of men to women will be amongst those who make it to the kingdom of God. On man's past performance, I would expect more women than men will get there.

All the best,

David

Hello David,

The only reason women have equal rights in this country is because of the efforts of the women and men who fought for those rights, which went contrary to the teachings of the Bible. There are still many fundamentalist churches that do not allow a woman to teach or hold a position of leadership, also they hold to the doctrines that the man has rulership over the woman...that is not considered equal human rights.

I'm not talking about peoples freedom to believe in God or Jesus, I'm speaking of women being allowed to pursue their dreams and live up to their full potential, just like a man. If you believe the Bible was inspired by God then all of the male bias it contains lies solely at the feet of God. Now, I believe the Bible was written from the minds of men, so I lay the blame for its bias against women solely at the feet of men.

Take care,
Rose

[David M]

Hello David,

The only reason women have equal rights in this country is because of the efforts of the women and men who fought for those rights, which went contrary to the teachings of the Bible. There are still many fundamentalist churches that do not allow a woman to teach or hold a position of leadership, also they hold to the doctrines that the man has rulership over the woman...that is not considered equal human rights.

I'm not talking about peoples freedom to believe in God or Jesus, I'm speaking of women being allowed to pursue their dreams and live up to their full potential, just like a man. If you believe the Bible was inspired by God then all of the male bias it contains lies solely at the feet of God. Now, I believe the Bible was written from the minds of men, so I lay the blame for its bias against women solely at the feet of men.

Take care,
Rose

Hello Rose

So women have been battling against men and men's misuse of God's instructions; that is not God's fault, so we agree men are to blame. As Cheow has reminded us, men were given greater responsibility to teach God's laws and women were not to usurp the man's authority given to him to carry out that work. I know women in the church who accept the role of men and these women are not barred from teaching anyone outside of the church. The disciples of Jesus were told to go into the world and preach the Gospel and women were not excluded in preaching the Gospel. All who believe and are baptized will be saved and women are included.

Pinciples are laid down in the OT and God selected the men from the tribe of Levi to be priests to carry out the services in the Tabernacle which carried on into the services conducted in the temple.. Women had other tasks to do at that time and were probably not bothered about it the way that you are now. . I know women who are more capable than men and who are more versed in the scriptures than the men. These women have recognized the role of men in the service of God and they do not usurp the man's authority in the performance of religious duties.

Rather than there be any division amongst worshippers, if a woman cannot submit to God's principles, then women are free to meet in a church where they can contribute more and lead church services. If we have got this wrong, we should not blame God. This does not alter the fact that God saves. God's word including the Gospel message whereby everyone who hears the message and believes and is baptized will be saved and given eternal life. In my estimation, this outweighs all the deaths of abominable people who were reprobates and who were destroyed.

If there is nothing in the Bible you can believe in and you want to keep justifying your reason to disbelieve it, there is a limit to what we can say to help you reason these things out. I think I shall be reaching my limit very soon as I am and running out of explanations to help you think in a different way. I can see from what you claim the Bible says, that you have been taught in error and this is a massive obstacle to overcome. You say you do not believe it, but those false teachings are etched into your brain and hence that is what you quote when you refer to the Bible. I agree you are correct to abandon those false teachings you were taught but you are not seeing the true God or the true Jesus of the Bible. In dismissing the Bible and God as you are doing, you are throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.

All the best,

David

David

[culi26]

Hey Cheow, why don't you try walking in a woman's shoes before you go spouting off your mouth. All you do is make yourself look extremely foolish with your misogynistic utterances!

Just because Christianity treats women better than Islam doesn't mean it's good. Look at it this way; it is better that I slap you than stab you, but slapping you is still NOT good! Women have been treated horribly by Christian men who used Scripture to justify their wicked deeds; the sad thing is that the Bible is written so they could do that.

The only reason you call my exposure of the truth an obsession is because you know it's true and you don't want to deal with it.

Rose

Rose, it's not true that Christianity treats women better than Islam!

Was not 8 March 1909 or 1910, when women were raised to demand their rights??!! Have you heard that Muslim women joined this revolution! No??!

Every mountain has wolves!! If I say that every muslim treats with respect their wifes, I would be lying! But in Islam the woman has a very favorable position!

Allah Almighty says, "Live together with them correctly and courteously," (4:19)

'The most perfect of believers in belief is the best of them in character. The best of you are those who are the best to their women.'" [at-Tirmidhi]

I think this is a strong proof of how a Muslim should behave towards his wife!!

Do not judge Islam based on the behavior of people, but judge the behavior of people according to Islam!

[Rose]

Hello Rose

So women have been battling against men and men's misuse of God's instructions; that is not God's fault, so we agree men are to blame. As Cheow has reminded us, men were given greater responsibility to teach God's laws and women were not to usurp the man's authority given to him to carry out that work. I know women in the church who accept the role of men and these women are not barred from teaching anyone outside of the church. The disciples of Jesus were told to go into the world and preach the Gospel and women were not excluded in preaching the Gospel. All who believe and are baptized will be saved and women are included.

Good morning David,
If you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God then God is to blame for the teachings contained therein, otherwise if you believe as I do that the Bible was written from the minds of men then man is to blame for the teachings therein.

We only have the laws in the Bible that were written from the hands of men, and spoken from the mouths of men, so of course men are going to give themselves greater authority than women because men are more power hungry and want to dominate. It is men who are saying women are usurping their "God given" authority, and responsibility, but if you want to speak of responsibility there is no greater responsibility than that of carrying a life within a one's body...would any rational god give a woman that kind of responsibility and then put her in subjection to a man? Women are denied equal human rights by men who get their ideas from the words of Scripture.

Pinciples are laid down in the OT and God selected the men from the tribe of Levi to be priests to carry out the services in the Tabernacle which carried on into the services conducted in the temple.. Women had other tasks to do at that time and were probably not bothered about it the way that you are now. . I know women who are more capable than men and who are more versed in the scriptures than the men. These women have recognized the role of men in the service of God and they do not usurp the man's authority in the performance of religious duties.

Yes, many women choose to bow down to man's authority because they think that is God's order in the Bible, which validates my point exactly. Women are denied equal human rights with men because of the teachings of Scripture.

Rather than there be any division amongst worshippers, if a woman cannot submit to God's principles, then women are free to meet in a church where they can contribute more and lead church services. If we have got this wrong, we should not blame God. This does not alter the fact that God saves. God's word including the Gospel message whereby everyone who hears the message and believes and is baptized will be saved and given eternal life. In my estimation, this outweighs all the deaths of abominable people who were reprobates and who were destroyed.

Once again, it is men who say that women should be subjected to them because it is written in the Bible. The blame lies solely at the feet of whoever is responsible for the Bible's content. I say it is evident that men wrote the Bible, because of its strong male bias. No gender neutral god could inspire a book that is so obviously biased toward the man.

If there is nothing in the Bible you can believe in and you want to keep justifying your reason to disbelieve it, there is a limit to what we can say to help you reason these things out. I think I shall be reaching my limit very soon as I am and running out of explanations to help you think in a different way. I can see from what you claim the Bible says, that you have been taught in error and this is a massive obstacle to overcome. You say you do not believe it, but those false teachings are etched into your brain and hence that is what you quote when you refer to the Bible. I agree you are correct to abandon those false teachings you were taught but you are not seeing the true God or the true Jesus of the Bible. In dismissing the Bible and God as you are doing, you are throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.

All the best,

David

David

I have not been taught in error, rather I have studied the Bible for myself and found it to be a book full of inequality. Woman are denied basic human rights and treated as property throughout the Old Testament, and put in subjection to men in the New Testament.

Can you honestly tell me that the Bible does not deny women equal human rights with men? And if you say it does, how can a just god decree such inequality?

Take care,
Rose