Hi Joe,I thought I'd begin a thread, among the already numerous threads, to discuss Daniel's 4rth Beast Kingdom possessing 10 horns, plus one little horn which had three subdued prior to it. Here then is the passage:
The 4rth Beast mentioned here is clearly the Roman Empire. It's iron-like teeth and brute strength is a clear and perfect representation of the Roman Empire. No kingdom prior to them possessed as much power and strength as them. Therefore, we know without a doubt that the 4rth Beast is Rome.
But what about the horns? This Beast is shown to have 10 horns. But something happens to the horns of this beast. An 11th horn sprouts up, though physically little, yet is an intelligent observer (Eyes like a man) and speaks great words as if he is arrogant. Actually, I doubt whether there were any Emperors which did not possess an arrogant attitude and mouth. Continuing, the 11th horn is also given power to overcome the saints. But after the judgment of Christ is set, the saints were given the Kingdom. It's my opinion that the Saints represented both Jews and Christian Jews. [I'll get to that at the end]. The last indicator of this 11th horn is three were over-powered prior to his succession. So with these clews, are we able to narrow down the identity of this horn?
Here is a list of the horns in question. Keeping this in mind, this is in a Jewish perspective, for it was Daniel who had the vision, and the vision was applicable to the Jews. Therefore, we shall use the Jewish listing of Emperors which begins with Julius Caesar.
1. Julius Caesar, 49-44 BC
2. Triumverate: Marc Anthony/Octavian (Augustus)/Lepidus 44-31 BC
3. Augustus, 31 BC-14 AD [First official Roman Emperor according to Gentiles]
4. Tiberius, 14-37
5. Caligula, 37-41
6. Claudius, 41-54
7. Nero, 54-68
8. Galba, 68-69 [subdued]
9. Otho, 69 [subdued]
10. Vitellius, 69 [subdued]
11. Vespasian, 69-79 11th HORN [or prince Titus]
12. Titus, 79-81
13. Domitian, 81-96
In the year 49 BC, Julius Caesar assumed the title of dictator of Rome. In 44 BC, he assumed the title of dictator perpetuus, or dictator for life. He was assassinated before he could enjoy it for long, but he laid the foundation for what would become a dynasty.
The triple ruling between Marc Anthony, Octavian (Augustus) and Lepidus would exist until Augustus became the first official Emperor according to Roman records. So I believe they are retained. Besides, if the Jews counted Julius as the first Emperor (And they did), then we may as well count the triple ruling as well.
Now, according to history, after the death of Nero, Rome fell into a civil war and three Generals tried to assume power over the throne. All three were over-powered within a single year. These were Galba, Otho, and Vitelius. It just so happens that the 11th horn, Vespasian, became Emperor. And remember the indicators of the 11th horn?
1. Eyes like a man - represents a man with vision and intelligence.
2. Spoke great words - some believe this to me harsh or rash words, but I believe this means arrogant and not demonic as some suppose. Furthermore, I doubt there was an Emperor which DIDN'T speak great arrogant words, even against the most High. King Neb did the same thing, assuming his kingdom was by his might and power, and not by God. I believe the same thing applied to Vespasian, who felt his power was due to his mighty military and intelligence, especially after succeeding the throne.
3. Overcoming the Saints - Who was it that had victory over the Jews? Vespasian, although you could argue that his son Titus was the one responsible. Ironically, Titus also fits the picture just as well, and would even explain why the 11th horn was shown to be little, thereby indicating that this horn was little because it represented a prince or future ruler. And in all this, it was they who over-powered the saints, to include even Jewish Christians. Even though Jews and Jews of Christ struggled against each other, the Roman Empire made no distinction during that time. ANYONE, whether Jewish Christian or Jew of the flesh, was considered a Jew and they were nailed to the cross. However, in this case, I believe Daniel is told that the Jews were defeated in judgment, and that saints of the most High (who survived) possessed the Kingdom.
In conclusion, Vespasian (or even Titus) represented Daniel's 11th horn. These were characterized as intelligent, arrogant against God as though they achieved power through their own measure, were a witness to the over-powering of three prior kings within a single year, and finally were responsible for the deaths of the false Jews and the awarding of the Kingdom to the Christians. And this concluded Daniel's 10 + 1 horns.
How does this tie in with Re:13?
How did you determine Rome was not one of the 4 heads of the leopard beast ?