God to Jesus. I just condemned the human race. Now go die to save them.

[Greatest I am]

CWH

If God wanted A & E love then he should not have lied by omission to them nor should he have put the fox in the hen house to eat his new hen, so to speak.

Such a parent deserves nothing in th way of love. He would be a SOB.

Would you do so a despicable thing to your children?

If so, then----------

Regards
DL

[CWH]

CWH

If God wanted A & E love then he should not have lied by omission to them nor should he have put the fox in the hen house to eat his new hen, so to speak.

Such a parent deserves nothing in th way of love. He would be a SOB.

Would you do so a despicable thing to your children?

If so, then----------

Regards
DL

There is no omission. If your child play with fire, you simply ordered him to stop. You don't go and tell him what harm fire can do to him, properties and others. What's the pint of telling your child every harm fire can do? He is probably too immature and young to understand. Is this omission by lying?

Your condemning of God is actually condemning Mankind. A slap in your own face. As Eve wanted to be like God so is Man. Didn't the Bible said "you are gods"? One day perhaps 5,000 years or more later as Man progress technologically, we will be like God capable of producing the suns, planets, animals, plants, humanoids etc. I have no doubt about that ...or... do you think it is impossible? How would you feel if the intelligent humanoids that you created began cursing its creators and his creations? Mankind is actually an evolving god, knowing good and evil. And one day we will conquer death and achieve immortality.


May God Bless us all.

[Greatest I am]

There is no omission. If your child play with fire, you simply ordered him to stop. You don't go and tell him what harm fire can do to him, properties and others. What's the pint of telling your child every harm fire can do? He is probably too immature and young to understand. Is this omission by lying?

Your condemning of God is actually condemning Mankind. A slap in your own face. As Eve wanted to be like God so is Man. Didn't the Bible said "you are gods"? One day perhaps 5,000 years or more later as Man progress technologically, we will be like God capable of producing the suns, planets, animals, plants, humanoids etc. I have no doubt about that ...or... do you think it is impossible? How would you feel if the intelligent humanoids that you created began cursing its creators and his creations? Mankind is actually an evolving god, knowing good and evil. And one day we will conquer death and achieve immortality.


May God Bless us all.

It is not a matter of a parent explaining what fire will do.

It is a matter of God holding a blow torch to them till not only their hands were burnt but their whole body.

God murdered them for burning their hands.

Your endorsing his immorality shows yours.

Regards
DL

[CWH]

It is not a matter of a parent explaining what fire will do.

It is a matter of God holding a blow torch to them till not only their hands were burnt but their whole body.

God murdered them for burning their hands.

Your endorsing his immorality shows yours.

Regards
DL

What murder? If one can kill someone and revive him the next day, is that consider as murder? It's the same as letting someone sleep the whole day. God is capable of doing that which humans cannot. And He will forgive those he killed and raised them if they repented. There is no eternal punishment in hell except perhaps for the incorrigible sinners. Forever in the Bible does not mean eternity but a long time in human term. If you love someone forever, do you really mean for eternity in human term?

May God Forgive us.

[Greatest I am]

What murder? If one can kill someone and revive him the next day, is that consider as murder? It's the same as letting someone sleep the whole day. God is capable of doing that which humans cannot. And He will forgive those he killed and raised them if they repented. There is no eternal punishment in hell except perhaps for the incorrigible sinners. Forever in the Bible does not mean eternity but a long time in human term.

May God Forgive us.

You fathom the unfathomable do you?

Enough to sell your soul and morals to a myth and hearsay or book say?

If so then---------

Regards
DL

[CWH]

You fathom the unfathomable do you?

Enough to sell your soul and morals to a myth and hearsay or book say?

If so then---------

Regards
DL

If man do not fathom the unfathomable for science, will new discoveries and inventions be produced?

Funny, every religion "myths" be it Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. seems to teach the same thing about heaven and earth, God, Do good and not evil, the soul and spirit, the punishment in hell and reward of eternal life in heaven, the final victory of good over evil, love others, do unto others what you want others to do unto you, Mercy and Kindness etc. They are telling us that these are not myths but important teachings that will benefit us all on earth and in heaven if we obey and adhere to them.

May God Forgive those who don't know what they are doing.

[Greatest I am]

If man do not fathom the unfathomable for science, will new discoveries and inventions be produced?

Funny, every religion "myths" be it Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. seems to teach the same thing about heaven and earth, God, Do good and not evil, the soul and spirit, the punishment in hell and reward of eternal life in heaven, the final victory of good over evil, love others, do unto others what you want others to do unto you, Mercy and Kindness etc.

No one can fathom the unfathomable.

While the God you follow does the opposite and certainly does not do unto others as he threatens eternal purposeless torture in hell.

That is not only immoral but also shows nothing in the way of justice, mercy or kindness.

Hypocricy is a good word for such a God.

Regards
DL

[weeder]

If God was so angry with A+ E then why did he clothe them before removing them from the tree of life?

Why did God plan to rectify the situation if the condemnation was total?

God himself rectified the situation by becoming flesh,to live as a man under his own laws,
(perfectly) and entered in to the realm of death and overcame it.
Death couldnt hold him because he did nothing that warranted death. He therefore holds the keys to that realm.

[David M]

If God was so angry with A+ E then why did he clothe them before removing them from the tree of life?

Why did God plan to rectify the situation if the condemnation was total?

God himself rectified the situation by becoming flesh,to live as a man under his own laws,
(perfectly) and entered in to the realm of death and overcame it.
Death couldnt hold him because he did nothing that warranted death. He therefore holds the keys to that realm.

Hello weeder

I don't think God got angry with A & E, God knew they would fail at some time ? I see things differently to you. I cannot see how God could possibly transform Himself from the Spirit that He is, to take on human flesh. God's plan was to provide a man to redeem the human race. As it is written, (1 Cor 15:22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. This means that by one man (Adam) came death to all men, so by one man (Jesus) came the resurrection of the dead.

A & E were clothed with animal skins which meant animals had to be killed for this purpose. The animal skins represented a covering for their sin to which they come exposed to. Later men's sins were covered by the sacrificing of animals. That was the way until Jesus came and animal sacrifices were done away and Jesus was offered as a one-off sacrifice to be a covering for all sinners who repent and believe in him.

It was important that the Son of God was born as a man, so God made Mary, who was a virgin, to conceive and have a son. We must remember that Jesus was a man and grew up and developed in the same way as any other man do, and not some supernatural transformation taking place over 30 years.

Jesus proved a sinless life could be achieved and vindicated God to those who say it is impossible for man to be perfect. God knew what He was doing. Jesus had to overcome man's problem that takes place in his mind causing man to disobey God's instruction. So Jesus proved that by not doing his own will and only doing the will of God, it was possible to live a sinless life. As you say, Jesus could not be kept in the grave because he did not deserve death; only "the soul that sinneth it shall die". Jesus had to be resurrected for God to keep to His promise. What Jesus did was to overcome the nature of man to rebel, which is personified as the devil.

Jesus has been raised from the dead and been exalted to the highest position in Heaven, but we are assured that those who are resurrected will be given the same incorruptible body that Jesus was given after his resurrection. We shall be like Jesus. This is another reason to support the fact that Jesus was not God.

You are right to say that God rectified the situation, but you are wrong (IMHO) to say that it was God who gave Himself. God gave His son who was born and came into existence (and not before) at the time of his birth. If you have not done so already, then read the thread; 'Jesus is not God' and reason this out for yourself.

All the best,

David

[weeder]

Hi there David.

Ill visit the thread and respond to you there