The function of the Trinity

[gilgal]

Even though the word Trinity is not it the bible the Godhead functions as a tri-une nature.

Each person has a specific function that the other person can't fulfill or can't fulfill by themselves.

The Gospel of John focused on the Godhead hence his Gospel represents the eagle meaning that he has a bird's eye view on things and that Jesus was of divine origin.

In his Gospel Jesus speaks of the Father and the Comforter meaning the Holy Ghost. He was sent from the Father.

My interest in opening this thread is how the three persons work indivisibly together and each has his office. How is it that the Son honors his Father, a perfect example for family members. Also the Holy Spirit doesn't have a name just as many women and servants in the bible remained nameless but did much good.

Sport teams can be strong if everyone knows his function; if the coach knows how to train them and general managers know who to trade or draft. But if teammates have envy or selfishness the team falls apart.

What else can we learn from the Trinity?

[culi26]

Even though the word Trinity is not it the bible the Godhead functions as a tri-une nature.

Each person has a specific function that the other person can't fulfill or can't fulfill by themselves.

Is this the way how you understand the Trinity or it is a general opinion of the Christians?!

The Gospel of John focused on the Godhead hence his Gospel represents the eagle meaning that he has a bird's eye view on things and that Jesus was of divine origin.

In his Gospel Jesus speaks of the Father and the Comforter meaning the Holy Ghost. He was sent from the Father.

How you came to the conclusion that the Comforter is the holy spirit? Can you please show some arguments!

[duxrow]

Gen11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

They came down IN SUCCESSION! First it was God on the mountain, then Jesus as a babe, thirdly the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost. No mohammed.

God is: Consuming Fire, Fountain of Water, Potter, Rock, Strong tower, etc.
Jesus is: Vine, Bread, Lamb, Light, Word, Son, Alpha & Omega, etc.
Holy Spirit is Comforter, Spirit of Truth, Holy Ghost, 3rd of Godhead..

John14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things.."

also: Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Doesn't sound helpful for the Sons of Ishmael, does it?

[Richard Amiel McGough]

How you came to the conclusion that the Comforter is the holy spirit? Can you please show some arguments!

Hey there culi26,

I'm surprised you don't know about this verse which explicitly identifies the Comforter as the Holy Spirit:

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Richard

PS: I intend to answer your other post in that thread where you and I were talking a lot, but I've been real busy with work. Just wanted to let you know I hadn't forgotten.

[duxrow]

Scuse the interruption, but...
Gen5:29 "And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
Many names in scripture are found when that person first introduced.

Noah was the 'comforter' who built the Ark which saved them from drowning in liquid water...

Now the Holy Spirit is the Comforter who provides for this modern generation to become Arks of Testimony, and salvation from 'drowning in the River of Life'. (See the recent "Arks Ahoy" post)

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Even though the word Trinity is not it the bible the Godhead functions as a tri-une nature.

Each person has a specific function that the other person can't fulfill or can't fulfill by themselves.

I usually avoid the word "can't" when speaking of God.

Christian theologians speak of two aspects of the Trinity. Your comment relates to the Economic Trinity. Here's a hint from the wiki to get you started on your research:

• Economic Trinity: This refers to the acts of the triune God with respect to the creation, history, salvation, the formation of the Church, the daily lives of believers, etc. and describes how the Trinity operates within history in terms of the roles or functions performed by each Person of the Trinity—God's relationship with creation.
• Ontological Trinity: This speaks of the interior life of the Trinity — the reciprocal relationships of Father, Son, and Spirit to each other without reference to God's relationship with creation.

The Gospel of John focused on the Godhead hence his Gospel represents the eagle meaning that he has a bird's eye view on things and that Jesus was of divine origin.

I think it would be more accurate to say that the Gospel of John emphasizes the Divinity of Christ as opposed to Matthew (Lion/King), Mark (Ox/Servant), and Luke (Man/Man).

My interest in opening this thread is how the three persons work indivisibly together and each has his office. How is it that the Son honors his Father, a perfect example for family members. Also the Holy Spirit doesn't have a name just as many women and servants in the bible remained nameless but did much good.

I understand what you mean, and from one point of view "nameless humility" could be a virtue. But the sad fact is that women were nameless in the cultures that produced the Bible because they were second class citizens without equal rights. They were not important like a man. It's pure sexism, and that's very bad.

What else can we learn from the Trinity?

Good question.

Maybe the tradition is wrong when it says that the "three persons" are distinct like this diagram where the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Father yet each is fully "God" -



Perhaps the Trinity is better understood as three concentric circles. This fits the relations between the persons very well, and it solves all the contradictions too!

Inner Circle = God the Father, the Source of All
Second Circle = God the Son, who Reveals the Father
Third Circle = God the Holy Spirit which proceeds from the Son and the Father and extends into all the world.



Given that the doctrine of the Trinity was made up by people trying to make sense of what the Bible says, there is no reason we should take their abstract philosophical reasons (and all the assumptions built in) as the final word. Their insistence that the "persons" are "eternally distinct" is what causes the doctrine to be self-contradictory. It may be that a simple shift in our metaphor to concentric circles could solve all the problems. I'd be interested to know if anyone sees a problem with this alternate view.

[culi26]

Hey there culi26,

I'm surprised you don't know about this verse which explicitly identifies the Comforter as the Holy Spirit:

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

I never read this verse or maybe I have forgotten!
Thank you!

Richard

PS: I intend to answer your other post in that thread where you and I were talking a lot, but I've been real busy with work. Just wanted to let you know I hadn't forgotten.[/QUOTE]

No problem! Please, let us leave the politicians to deal with politics, because when I see their injustice I get headache! Or worse, I'll get a brain cancer!

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I never read this verse or maybe I have forgotten!
Thank you!

You're welcome!

No problem! Please, let us leave the politicians to deal with politics, because when I see their injustice I get headache! Or worse, I'll get a brain cancer!

Sounds good to me. It gives me a headache too.

It would be nice to get to know each other a bit by talking about things that are a little less emotionally disturbing.

In America we have a saying that you shouldn't talk about Politics or Religion because people always get in fights. But those are two of the main topics on this forum! Oh well ... at least we can't shoot each other through the computer screen, eh?

Actually, I think it's very good to talk about these things. Every time we bring a little more truth and a balance between opposing view we are helping to bring the world a little closer to harmony.

Great chatting!

Richard

[gilgal]

I usually avoid the word "can't" when speaking of God.

Christian theologians speak of two aspects of the Trinity. Your comment relates to the Economic Trinity. Here's a hint from the wiki to get you started on your research:

• Economic Trinity: This refers to the acts of the triune God with respect to the creation, history, salvation, the formation of the Church, the daily lives of believers, etc. and describes how the Trinity operates within history in terms of the roles or functions performed by each Person of the Trinity—God's relationship with creation.
• Ontological Trinity: This speaks of the interior life of the Trinity — the reciprocal relationships of Father, Son, and Spirit to each other without reference to God's relationship with creation.

I think it would be more accurate to say that the Gospel of John emphasizes the Divinity of Christ as opposed to Matthew (Lion/King), Mark (Ox/Servant), and Luke (Man/Man).


I understand what you mean, and from one point of view "nameless humility" could be a virtue. But the sad fact is that women were nameless in the cultures that produced the Bible because they were second class citizens without equal rights. They were not important like a man. It's pure sexism, and that's very bad.


Good question.

Maybe the tradition is wrong when it says that the "three persons" are distinct like this diagram where the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Father yet each is fully "God" -



Perhaps the Trinity is better understood as three concentric circles. This fits the relations between the persons very well, and it solves all the contradictions too!

Inner Circle = God the Father, the Source of All
Second Circle = God the Son, who Reveals the Father
Third Circle = God the Holy Spirit which proceeds from the Son and the Father and extends into all the world.



Given that the doctrine of the Trinity was made up by people trying to make sense of what the Bible says, there is no reason we should take their abstract philosophical reasons (and all the assumptions built in) as the final word. Their insistence that the "persons" are "eternally distinct" is what causes the doctrine to be self-contradictory. It may be that a simple shift in our metaphor to concentric circles could solve all the problems. I'd be interested to know if anyone sees a problem with this alternate view.

The bible is not a book of dogmas/doctrines listed but real life stories from which we can draw doctrine out of experiences.

Look at the gospels and epistles which were meant to certain churches or people but was not initially intended to be added in a book later to be called the bible: Old Testament and New Testament. Of course i think the men who put together the bible were inspired by the holy ghost. And now that we look back we find this biblewheel pattern. We might make assumptions like i have in my threads, because we don't fully understand how the patterns work but there's enough evidence to prove thay it exists.

[gilgal]

What i meant by writing the above is, don't be surprized when you don't find the word trinity in the bible. The plurality of Elohim and singularity if the verbs concerning God should prove that The godhead is more than ine person. Maybe no such word can define in the Greek.