God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.

[Greatest I am]

It's just the way ancient people described the things that they see in which there was no vocabulary. The Amazon Indians who first saw an airplane described it as a silver bird and the radio as a talking box. Therefore, a talking snake could be something that talks and looked wavy or slender like a snake.

Need to sleep now. Will challenge your other posts when I have time tomorrow.

God Bless.

And what, if not a snake, could be long and talking?

I know some men who think with such but those long slim things do not talk. They just spit.

Regards
DL

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Neither have you any proof that God did not exist.

First, thanks for admitting you have no evidence for your belief in God.

Second, I have not asserted that God does not exist, so your comment is irrelevant.

Third, there is a lot of evidence that the God described in the Bible does not exist.

And you should not say things that are not true. I am not "so fixated that there is no God or that the Bible is bullshit, you will not believe even if the dead were to rise up." On the contrary, if you gave me evidence that could be believed, I would believe the evidence. It's really very simple. You say things like that because you have no real evidence for what you believe.

Ah, so you believe that there may be a God (that is your own words which I remembered) and the Bible may be true. Why did you say so?

I say that there may be a God because I know I don't know everything. It would be foolish to make an absolute statement about something I can't know absolutely.

But there is a lot of evidence that contradicts what the Bible says about God, so I am very confident that no such God exists.

As for the Bible being "true" - that is a meaningless concept because the Bible can be interpreted in a thousand different ways that are mutually contradictory. So the Bible itself cannot be either true or false - it is too ambiguous for that.

[gilgal]

God being almost omnipotent would contradict scripture:
Matthew 19:26 KJV - But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

We can't understand everything. We all have our frustrations. And it makes me wonder, why did God speak to Pharaoh in his dream not to touch Sarah Abraham's wife but on the other hand would allow Judah to sleep with Tamar or would rather send prophets and Apostles to preach the word?

Well the apostles had that divine mission because Jesus said that the word must be preached throughout the world and only then the end shall come. But if God did that all by himself physically or by a dream, then the end must have come already. But I think God's will for us is to accept him by faith and learn to trust him in everything.

[refugeeguru]

It's just the way ancient people described the things that they see in which there was no vocabulary. The Amazon Indians who first saw an airplane described it as a silver bird and the radio as a talking box. Therefore, a talking snake could be something that talks and looked wavy or slender like a snake.

Need to sleep now. Will challenge your other posts when I have time tomorrow.

God Bless.

I still laugh (decades later) about the reply from a Japanese friend when one of my aunts asked him if he had ever read the Bible:

"Ah, yes! Fuburous Fairy Tale!"

[refugeeguru]

Wow. What can I say to such.

First. Jews do not read their scriptures literally.
Why would you?

http://www.raceandhistory.com/histor...tingexodus.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g

Regards
DL

That IS NOT literal -- the Job-Balaam-Jethro conference isn't even in the plain text of the Bible. Er, have you read the whole book??

But the conference is pretty standard Jewish tradition - for obvious reasons (let's try one like the SS) they have an interest in who has plotted genocide against them - and how those plans came to be formulated.

The photo shows Hitler, with the classic haircut, next to Heidrich - one of the architect of a recent solution to the "Jewish problem".

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I still laugh (decades later) about the reply from a Japanese friend when one of my aunts asked him if he had ever read the Bible:

"Ah, yes! Fuburous Fairy Tale!"

Just reading it makes me smile. I'm sure I would have burst out laughing if I had actually heard her say it.

[David M]

Good morning David,

There was nothing ludicrous whatsoever about DL's statement, asking why God would enter into an immoral bet with Satan, thus allowing him to capriciously do harm to an innocent man and his family.

As for your accusation of my not answering your questions, my recollection is that I did answer and address your exceedingly tedious questions in at least two or three of my posts. The problem arose when you did not like the content of my responses, because you were demanding simple yes, or no answers.

Take care,
Rose

Hello Rose

It is made tedious by your not answering questions directly as requested, which Richard did and stepped in for you and I thank Richard or that.

I shall give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that you have not read my other post in your thread; Is Stoning Immoral?. Here is the link to my questions (post #12); http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/show...-Immoral/page2

I look forward to your straightforward answers which you can post in that thread.


All the best
David

[David M]

I see.

So because someone else may not have answered your simple moral question, you will not answer mine.

Christians are generally shy to show their morals because they do not have good ones.

You punishing me for what you perceive someone else has done is exactly what Christianity and their human sacrifice cult is all about. Punish the innocent instead of the guilty.

Rose. I call you guilty here just on what was said here. I do not know you guilty of anything.

Regards
DL

Hello DL

BTW thanks for your post exposing the falsehood of the Trinity. This is a man-made concept as your references reveal.

As for "you punishing me" I do not know what you mean. I challenge the concept of Satan the same way I challenge the concept of the Trinity. Satan is not a fallen Angel (of God) and that is why I consider the idea that God challenges Satan, "ludicrous". For quite a long time, the Book of Job was a mystery to me in the way events took place in Job's life. I have always considered that God can instruct His Angels to carry out acts like those which happened to Job. I do not believe God's Angels disobey Him or would question God's judgment. The style in which the Book of Job is written is like that of a play, and as such, I can accept that it is a play and is not necessarily a true story. This is not to say that the content of the book is as a result of the inspired word of God. I believe that the message God reveals to us through Job's words and God's reply to Job are very true and meaningful. If the book is taken as a play, it does not matter who Satan was and I accept that it was God's Angel under instruction. Once we accept that the Book of Job was written as a play, we can consider the question Satan asked of God originated in God's mind. It would be a natural question for any one of Job's friends and neighbors to ask of God. It does not have to be a special question attributable to Satan (a fallen Angel). We can all be Satan's. It was no different for Jesus when he was tempted in the wilderness. The temptations were generated in his own mind and not as a result of an external Satan in the form of a fallen Angel of God. It is this concept of a fallen Angel of God I find ludicrous and hence the idea God would have had a bet with this fallen Angel.

I expect there will be things we agree on and some we do not. In the end, it is God's Truth that matters, not what I or anyone else thinks according to their own personal opinion. We are free to express our opinions, and that will show the degree to which we have read the Bible and understood what the Bible message is.


All the best,

David

[David M]

And what, if not a snake, could be long and talking?

I know some men who think with such but those long slim things do not talk. They just spit.

Regards
DL

Hello DL

We can recall that Balaam's ass (donkey) spoke.

Numbers 22
28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
29 And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.
30 And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.
31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

Let's ask God to open our eyes to the understanding of His word and what the serpent in the Garden really was and how the serpent acted (if taken literally).


David

[Greatest I am]

God being almost omnipotent would contradict scripture:
Matthew 19:26 KJV - But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

We can't understand everything. We all have our frustrations. And it makes me wonder, why did God speak to Pharaoh in his dream not to touch Sarah Abraham's wife but on the other hand would allow Judah to sleep with Tamar or would rather send prophets and Apostles to preach the word?

Well the apostles had that divine mission because Jesus said that the word must be preached throughout the world and only then the end shall come. But if God did that all by himself physically or by a dream, then the end must have come already. But I think God's will for us is to accept him by faith and learn to trust him in everything.

Trust is built on honesty and truth.

From day one, God was not honest with mankind as clearly shown in the myth of Eden.

He did not fully disclose the benefits and negative consequences to A & E and out of the blue, came up with a bunch of as yet unknown arbitrary punishments that he gave A & E and us.

That is lying by omission or immorally punishing.

God killed any trust that A & E could have had in his immoral son murdering genocidal soul. If God has a soul that is.

Not too surprising that he formed Christianity on immoral human sacrifice.

Regards
DL