God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.

[Greatest I am]

He did it because Job was complicit in genocide.

Technically Mr Job didn't do anything wrong, but he didn't do the right thing when he should have.

The Pharoah who set up the "kill the baby boys" program (why Moses was placed in the bulrushes, where he was found by Pharoah's daughter) organised a conference with the three greatest advisors on the planet as his consultants - the conference was, like Nazi ones thousands of years later, on "What to do about the Jewish/Hebrew Problem".

The advisers were:

• Job
• Balaam, the prize ratfink, and greatest dark wizard in history
• Jethro, Moses' future father-in-lawob

Balaam came up with the "genocide by killing the baby boys" plan.

Things got ugly between Balaam and Pharoah, and the advisor who spat the dummy over the plan. Pharoah refused to pay him, and he stormed out. It is unclear if he pinched the staff, which had been in Joseph's possession, and had been looted from his palace after his death by the Egyptians, Maybe the Egyptians finally gave it to him, but however it happened, Jethro ended up with it, and took it home with him. Moses would one day in the distant future, have it with him when the bush was burning and God spoke to him.

Young Job stayed out of the fight - neutral, no vote either way, content to collect his hefty fee, attend the closing banquet, and head home a much wealthier man.

He had not, technically, done anything wrong -- but if he, like Jethro, had done the right thing, a lot of babies probably would not have been killed - he might have swayed Pharoah from Balaam's genocidal scheme.

Wow. What can I say to such.

First. Jews do not read their scriptures literally.
Why would you?

http://www.raceandhistory.com/histor...tingexodus.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Good morning Rose

Since you have joined this conversation, I will join in with you. The question asked of John was ludicrous. DL is just showing himself/hersef to be ignorant of understanding of what the Bible says or means. As CWH has just written in a post; "ignorance is no excuse".

On the subject of not answering simple direct questions, why have you not answered my questions in the two separate threads in which we have corresponded?

All the best,

David

I see.

So because someone else may not have answered your simple moral question, you will not answer mine.

Christians are generally shy to show their morals because they do not have good ones.

You punishing me for what you perceive someone else has done is exactly what Christianity and their human sacrifice cult is all about. Punish the innocent instead of the guilty.

Rose. I call you guilty here just on what was said here. I do not know you guilty of anything.

Regards
DL

[Rose]

Good morning Rose

Since you have joined this conversation, I will join in with you. The question asked of John was ludicrous. DL is just showing himself/hersef to be ignorant of understanding of what the Bible says or means. As CWH has just written in a post; "ignorance is no excuse".

On the subject of not answering simple direct questions, why have you not answered my questions in the two separate threads in which we have corresponded?

All the best,

David

Good morning David,

There was nothing ludicrous whatsoever about DL's statement, asking why God would enter into an immoral bet with Satan, thus allowing him to capriciously do harm to an innocent man and his family.

As for your accusation of my not answering your questions, my recollection is that I did answer and address your exceedingly tedious questions in at least two or three of my posts. The problem arose when you did not like the content of my responses, because you were demanding simple yes, or no answers.

Take care,
Rose

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I don't know if you consider yourself to be the "Greatest I Am", but in the event you do, you really ought to go read the Book of Job, and while there, feel free to answer the same 64 questions God put to Job. Come back when you have the answers.

John

Hey there John,

I can't imagine why you would want folks to actually read those questions since they immediately demonstrate that the Bible was written by superstitious men who were ignorant of the most basic facts of reality. There is no need to tediously go through the entire list once we see that the questions most definitely did not come from the mouth of an omniscient God. The writer of those questions gets an "F" in modern science. Here are a few highlights:

Q: Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. ... 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

A: There are no "foundations" of the earth. This is a common myth of the ancient world which thought that the earth stood on pillars atop a foundation that was "fastened" and even had a "cornerstone."

Q: Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? 9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, 10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors, 11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

A: There are no "doors" of the sea. God did not "set bars and doors" in it. They were never "shut up." And the sea is not constrained by anything but the natural force of gravity. Why would an intelligent God say such ridiculous things?

Q: Job 38:22-23 22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, Or have you seen the storehouses of the hail, 23 Which I have reserved for the time of distress, For the day of war and battle?

A: There are no "storehouses of snow" or "storehouses of hail." The idea that God "reservered" these as weapons to rain down upon his enemies makes him sound like Zeus with throwing lightning. It's just more mythology.

Q: Job 38:31 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion?

A: There are no "chains of the Pleiades" or "cords of Orion."

Q: Job 38:35 "Can you send forth lightnings that they may go And say to you, 'Here we are'?

A: There's Zeus again.

Q: Job 38:37 "Who can count the clouds by wisdom, Or tip the water jars of the heavens,

A: Dude! The "water jars of heaven?" Is this some kind of joke?

Now I know that you might want to try to salvage the Bible by saying that these questions were just figures of speech, and that's fine. But there is nothing in them that would suggest the Book of Job contains authentic quotes from an omniscient being. This is because Yahweh's attitude really sucks. Even when I was a Christian I found his answers unkind, rude, and absurd. Basically, all God said to Job was "SHUT UP YOU IGNORANT WORM! I AM THE ALMIGHTY GOD!!!" We saw the same tactic in the Wizard of Oz - "Don't look at that man behind the curtain!" The Bible cannot give answers to Job's questions because the writer of that book didn't have any answers.

Richard

[Richard Amiel McGough]

CWH

"Agree that no proof is as good as no truth"

Good.

Do you have proof of your God?

Regards
DL

The proof is in the Bible which was written so tat ignorance of the scriptures is no excuse. The proof is also in your personal life where blessings were bestowed. Did the Allies won WW2 by chance or by the grace of God? Everything on earth has been well planned divinely to progress according to plan.

Ignorance of the scriptures is no excuse:

Luke 16:19-31.

There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham,, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there. Then he said, I pray you, therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren, that he may testify to them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham says to him, They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will repent. And he said to him, If they hear not Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one rose from the dead.

Do you have proof of your Gnostic God?

Many God Blessings to all.

If the proof is in the Bible, then you should be able to quote that proof so we can all see it and believe. Why don't you do that?

[CWH]

If the proof is in the Bible, then you should be able to quote that proof so we can all see it and believe. Why don't you do that?

God is all written in the Bible, if you don;'t believe in the Bible then there is nothing I can do. And since you are so fixated that there is no God or that the Bible is bullshit, you will not believe even if the dead were to rise up. Anyway, neither can you prove that God doesn't exist.

Luke 16:19-31.

There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover, the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham,, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there. Then he said, I pray you, therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren, that he may testify to them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham says to him, They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will repent. And he said to him, If they hear not Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one rose from the dead.

The fool says in his heart, there is no God.

May God forgive the fool.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

God is all written in the Bible, if you don;'t believe in the Bible then there is nothing I can do. And since you are so fixated that there is no God or that the Bible is bullshit, you will not believe even if the dead were to rise up. Anyway, neither can you prove that God doesn't exist.

The fool says in his heart, there is no God.

May God forgive the fool.

How can a person believe the Bible if the Bible says things that are demonstrably false?

When you say "if you don't believe in the Bible then there is nothing I can do" you are admitting that you have no proof for your beliefs. This means that you are no different than a Muslim who says the same thing about the Koran. You are just believing things you've read in a book. But why do you believe those things? You have not given any reason at all.

And you should not say things that are not true. I am not "so fixated that there is no God or that the Bible is bullshit, you will not believe even if the dead were to rise up." On the contrary, if you gave me evidence that could be believed, I would believe the evidence. It's really very simple. You say things like that because you have no real evidence for what you believe.

[CWH]

[QUOTE][QUOTE]

How can a person believe the Bible if the Bible says things that are demonstrably false?

When you say "if you don't believe in the Bible then there is nothing I can do" you are admitting that you have no proof for your beliefs. This means that you are no different than a Muslim who says the same thing about the Koran. You are just believing things you've read in a book. But why do you believe those things? You have not given any reason at all.

Neither have you any proof that God did not exist.

And you should not say things that are not true. I am not "so fixated that there is no God or that the Bible is bullshit, you will not believe even if the dead were to rise up." On the contrary, if you gave me evidence that could be believed, I would believe the evidence. It's really very simple. You say things like that because you have no real evidence for what you believe.

Ah, so you believe that there may be a God (that is your own words which I remembered) and the Bible may be true. Why did you say so?


The fool says in his heart, there is no God...May God forgive the fools.

[Greatest I am]

God is all written in the Bible, if you don;'t believe in the Bible .:

The Bible begins with Lilith, a demon, then moves to a talking snake and ends with a seven headed monster.

What are we to believe when you say we are to believe in the bible?

I can only conclude that it is a book of myths.

Here is one conclusion but I take it you do not agree with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7jh9gq86jg

Regards
DL

[CWH]

The Bible begins with Lilith, a demon, then moves to a talking snake and ends with a seven headed monster.

What are we to believe when you say we are to believe in the bible?

I can only conclude that it is a book of myths.

Here is one conclusion but I take it you do not agree with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7jh9gq86jg

Regards
DL

It's just the way ancient people described the things that they see in which there was no vocabulary. The Amazon Indians who first saw an airplane described it as a silver bird and the radio as a talking box. Therefore, a talking snake could be something that talks and looked wavy or slender like a snake.

Need to sleep now. Will challenge your other posts when I have time tomorrow.

God Bless.