God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.

[Greatest I am]

God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.

Omnipotent is defined in part as having power or authority without limits IOW, almighty.

Seems to me that God has a few limits.

He cannot reproduce true.
He cannot enjoy sex.
He cannot reproduce without bestiality or cross species breeding.
He can only reproduce half breed chimeras like Jesus.
He could not create a heaven without Satan.
He could not create Eden without evil in it.
He cannot control wayward demons or devils.
He cannot sin, although scripture says he does.
He cannot live without needs like adoration, honour, obedience, love.
He cannot accept a soul into heaven without us accepting Jesus and human sacrifice.
He could not forgive sin without having Jesus sacrificed.
Feel free to add to this list.

How then can Christians say that God omnipotent, all-powerful and without limits when he clearly has many?

Regards
DL

[Rose]

God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.

Omnipotent is defined in part as having power or authority without limits IOW, almighty.

Seems to me that God has a few limits.

He cannot reproduce true.
He cannot enjoy sex.
He cannot reproduce without bestiality or cross species breeding.
He can only reproduce half breed chimeras like Jesus.
He could not create a heaven without Satan.
He could not create Eden without evil in it.
He cannot control wayward demons or devils.
He cannot sin, although scripture says he does.
He cannot live without needs like adoration, honour, obedience, love.
He cannot accept a soul into heaven without us accepting Jesus and human sacrifice.
He could not forgive sin without having Jesus sacrificed.
Feel free to add to this list.

How then can Christians say that God omnipotent, all-powerful and without limits when he clearly has many?

Regards
DL

Hi DL,

Great list Here's one more:

God cannot change his mind (even though Scripture says he did), because everything has already been done from the foundation of the world!

All the best,
Rose

[CWH]

It shows your inability to understand God; please study the Bible conscientiously.

[QUOTE]

God is almost omnipotent. He has many limits.

Omnipotent is defined in part as having power or authority without limits IOW, almighty.

Seems to me that God has a few limits.

God asked Sarah,"Is there anything too hard for the Lord?"
Jesus said, "It is impossible with man but anything is possible with God".

He cannot reproduce true.

God is plural which suggest there is more than one, "Let US make man in Our image".

He cannot enjoy sex.

It is possible to enjoy sex without coitus by stimulating certain aspects of the brain. Is sex the only enjoyment?

He cannot reproduce without bestiality or cross species breeding.

Man created the stupid concept of mega-evolution. God said he create, therefore there is no what reproduce without bestiality or cross species breeding. Show me proof of any species cross breeding naturally. Man created the idea of reproduction by bestiality or cross species breeding in order to support the stupid theory of evolution.

He can only reproduce half breed chimeras like Jesus.

Jesus is no half breed chimera; He is as human as us, he slept, ate, grew, thought, learned, talked, walked have emotions etc.

He could not create a heaven without Satan.

Satan was created for a purpose as a test for evil. The Kingdom of heaven was already created long before Satan. God does not need Satan to create heaven, He created Satan to ensure that all sin and evils will finally be eradicated.

He could not create Eden without evil in it.

Eden was a created as a test to see if humans were skewed towards evil or towards good which is why the purpose for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was there. Man chose Evil instead of Good which is why He will have to taste the experience of evil in order to understand and achieve Good. It's like a child playing with fire despite being sternly warned not to until he got burned by it. He will then learned not to play with fire again. Similarly, human playing with sin is a step in learning how to be good and righteous and thus making ourselves eligible to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

He cannot control wayward demons or devils.

Demons and devils are there for a purpose which is to control sin and to "manifest the glory of God" such as in the treatment of diseases.

He cannot sin, although scripture says he does.

Yes, He cannot sin but He can use sin and sinful people for His purpose of destroying sin and evil. Don't humans do that in the dog-eat-dog world?

He cannot live without needs like adoration, honour, obedience, love.

God desires adoration, honour, obedience, love from us so that He can reciprocate back to us. Such expressions of adoration, honour, obedience, love also taught us how to love God with all your heart, soul and might and love your neighbor as yourself. These two loves will ensure us a place in heaven.

He cannot accept a soul into heaven without us accepting Jesus and human sacrifice.

Accepting Jesus is just one way to heaven but the most important is Love God with all your heart, soul and might and Love your neighbor as yourself as stated in the NT.

He could not forgive sin without having Jesus sacrificed

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Jesus sacrifice is symbolic of the love of God for us humans as a guarantee of the forgiveness of sin if one repents. Jesus sacrifice and resurrection is a proof that there is life after death and that God has the power to resurrect the soul even if one has died....."Death, where is thy sting?", "Fear God who can destroy both body and soul in hell".


May God forgive them for they know not what they are doing.

[Greatest I am]

Hi DL,

Great list Here's one more:

God cannot change his mind (even though Scripture says he did), because everything has already been done from the foundation of the world!

All the best,
Rose

Good point.

I like revuwing what he planned before creation.
Pardon my absentmindedness if I showed you this before.
I think I may have because of the female aspect. If so. Please forgive.


It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8E...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dspW...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c0RF...eature=related

Further on his plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMXoP...layer_embedded

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

CWH

Thanks for this.

“God is plural which suggest there is more than one, "Let US make man in Our image"

If there is more than one God, and God said place no one above me, then how many Gods are “me” or who is me and what do we do about the other Gods?

How many other Gods do you have?

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“It is possible to enjoy sex without coitus by stimulating certain aspects of the brain.”

Brains are corporeal. God is non-corporeal according to scriptures and cannot have a brain as we know it. Sex is basically friction of sexual parts. God is said to not be corporeal and so friction is impossible.

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“Man created the idea of reproduction by bestiality or cross species breeding in order to support the stupid theory of evolution.”

A proven theory that most scientific disciplines use regularly.

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You indicate that God does a lot of testing. Why would an all knowing God who already knows all outcomes of such tests bother?

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“Demons and devils are there for a purpose which is to control sin and to "manifest the glory of God" such as in the treatment of diseases.”

If demons control sin then that means they control us and we are therefore not responsible for our sins. They are.

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“Yes, He cannot sin but He can use sin and sinful people for His purpose of destroying sin and evil.”

So using sin is not a sin. You using murder to stop murder is not a sin then?

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“God desires adoration, honour, obedience, love from us so that He can reciprocate back to us.”

And gets quite upset and sends us to eternal torture and flame if he does not get it.

Quite the show of love that.

Would you damn your children if one of them happens to decide he will not love you?

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“Accepting Jesus is just one way to heaven but the most important is Love God”

Which one of your many Gods?

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“Jesus sacrifice is symbolic of the love of God for us humans as a guarantee of the forgiveness of sin if one repents.”

So God cannot show his love without having his son murdered.
Would you kill one of your children to show the others you love them?

As to the guarantee of forgiveness. Scriptures say that repentance is all that is required.

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“May God forgive them for they know not what they are doing”

Lord, why have you forsaken me.

Because vicarious redemption is immoral. The guilty are to pay for their sins. Not the innocent. Human sacrifice is immoral and God cannot be bribed.

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Your show inability to understand God and scriptures; please study the Bible conscientiously.

Start here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott1...eature=related

Regards
DL

[CWH]

CWH

Thanks for this.

“God is plural which suggest there is more than one, "Let US make man in Our image"

If there is more than one God, and God said place no one above me, then how many Gods are “me” or who is me and what do we do about the other Gods?

How many other Gods do you have?

One God. I see God as plural the way Mankind as plural. God also created angels and the "Let US make man in Our image" is referring to all His angels.

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“It is possible to enjoy sex without coitus by stimulating certain aspects of the brain.”

Brains are corporeal. God is non-corporeal according to scriptures and cannot have a brain as we know it. Sex is basically friction of sexual parts. God is said to not be corporeal and so friction is impossible.

To me God is corporeal. God has intelligence far beyond man. He can think, talk, plan decide and has emotions as well. Whether God has sexual parts or not I cannot tell.

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“Man created the idea of reproduction by bestiality or cross species breeding in order to support the stupid theory of evolution.”

A proven theory that most scientific disciplines use regularly.

The stupid theory of evolution is bullshit. Show me how life is formed from non-living things and I will believe. Show me proof that animals can formed from one species to another naturally and I will believe. There are just too many flaws and unanswered questions for theory of evolution to be credible.

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You indicate that God does a lot of testing. Why would an all knowing God who already knows all outcomes of such tests bother?

The Bible said that God always test the hearts of men like a refining metals. What God wants are righteous souls for the Kingdom of Heaven just like a merchant looking for fine pearls or fishermen looking for good mature fishes and throw out the bad. Just like a robot maker testing his products to know what parts are defective.

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“Demons and devils are there for a purpose which is to control sin and to "manifest the glory of God" such as in the treatment of diseases.”

If demons control sin then that means they control us and we are therefore not responsible for our sins. They are.

Demons don't control sin but manifest in diseases. They are not responsible for human sins.

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“Yes, He cannot sin but He can use sin and sinful people for His purpose of destroying sin and evil.”

So using sin is not a sin. You using murder to stop murder is not a sin then?

Anything wrong with using sin against sin for the purpose of achieving good? Anything wrong with using sin for the purpose of good? Should we tell lies to save a poor soul from being killed? Should we kill a murderer as a last resrt to stop him from killing an innocent soul?

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“God desires adoration, honour, obedience, love from us so that He can reciprocate back to us.”

And gets quite upset and sends us to eternal torture and flame if he does not get it.

Quite the show of love that.

Would you damn your children if one of them happens to decide he will not love you?

God is teaching us to respect each other by showing love adoration, obedience , honor so as to develop that love of God with all your heart, soul and might and to love your neighbor as yourself. If someone greet or praise you, would you feel obliged to greet and praise him back? Such show of courtesy encourages friendship and brotherly love. I will feel very disappointed if the love I show to my children is not reciprocated. There is nothing I can do if they are incorrigible.
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“Accepting Jesus is just one way to heaven but the most important is Love God”

Which one of your many Gods?

There are many Gods and religions and they taught us the same things, punishment for sin in hell, rewards of righteous in heaven, Almighty God, Love and Kindness, Do Good not Evil etc. Love God with all your heart and soul and might and Love your neighbor as yourself are the most important as stated in the Bible. There can only be one Creator God and the many gods people believe ultimately and indirectly refers to the Creator God.

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“Jesus sacrifice is symbolic of the love of God for us humans as a guarantee of the forgiveness of sin if one repents.”

So God cannot show his love without having his son murdered.
Would you kill one of your children to show the others you love them?

As to the guarantee of forgiveness. Scriptures say that repentance is all that is required.

God did not killed His son; it was men that killed His son. Yet He did not punished the men that killed His son immediately. God resurrect Christ to show that Death is immaterial; this is unlike human who cannot resurrect a killed soul. If I have the power to resurrect my children, I will kill them if they did evil things so as to punish them and then resurrect them several months or years later. Such punishment is no different than punishing them by confining them in the house away from their naughty friends for a few days. Is this sort of punishment a show of love to ensure that my children will learn not to do evil again?

Repentance comes with punishment; David and Moses were punished even when they have repented of their wrongdoings.

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“May God forgive them for they know not what they are doing”

Lord, why have you forsaken me.

Because vicarious redemption is immoral. The guilty are to pay for their sins. Not the innocent. Human sacrifice is immoral and God cannot be bribed.

God don't forsake anybody. The guilty will have to pay for their sins. Forgiving of sin comes with a punishment as like what happened to David and Moses. This also occurs with human national laws in which criminals are justified to be punished for their crimes hoping they will learn not repeat the crimes again. Is this punishment for their crimes immoral? Is human sacrifice with resurrection immoral just to prove that there is life after death and that death is reversible if you believe in God? Is killing an animal and resuscitate it back to life to prove that death is reversible immoral?

May God forgive them for they know not what they are doing.

[jce]

What a futile undertaking by a creature of limited understanding and knowledge attempting to define the limits of his creator? Better to be silent and considered unwise than to speak and remove all doubt.

[Greatest I am]

CWH

You are making up your own God when it suits you and reading scriptures literally when that suits you.

May as well cut to the chase.

You are expecting that I will believe your story and bible with all it's fantasy, miracles and magic.
Some think these things to be part of a delusion.

If I came to you with a story of an invisible God called Godinabook, that some book told me existed and I had to follow his poorly specified rules in that book or spend eternity in fire after death. And that he stopped talking to us 3,000 years ago, would you think me deluded?

You would right?


Or if I said this----

The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

What would you think and reply?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

What a futile undertaking by a creature of limited understanding and knowledge attempting to define the limits of his creator? Better to be silent and considered unwise than to speak and remove all doubt.

Yes. Your silence would have been better.

Again you tell others not to judge your God while you have done just that.

Regards
DL

[CWH]

CWH

You are making up your own God when it suits you and reading scriptures literally when that suits you.

May as well cut to the chase.

AM I? How about you yourself with your idea of a Gnostic God?

You are expecting that I will believe your story and bible with all it's fantasy, miracles and magic.
Some think these things to be part of a delusion.

Neither do you expect me to believe your God bashing nonsense.

If I came to you with a story of an invisible God called Godinabook, that some book told me existed and I had to follow his poorly specified rules in that book or spend eternity in fire after death. And that he stopped talking to us 3,000 years ago, would you think me deluded?

You would right?

How about Moses talking about Jesus 1,500 years before Jesus came into existence? Jesus clearly said that Moses talked about Him in the OT. Was Moses deluded in his time talking to his people about someone great who will come 1,500 years later?

The main reason why God did not appeared in His physical form for 2,000 years is so that man will continue to develop on his own largely without God's divine intervention. As I said that God wants human to taste the decision of what knowing good and evil was all about in order to learn to be righteous like God. It is like a child who requires parental help in his growing years until he reaches adulthood and would be able to fend for himself without parental help. The decision is his and not his parents as to how he would want to run his life or be successful or not. What have men achieved for the past 2,000 years without God?.... Some good and some evil which is the outcome of having the knowledge of good and evil. The time will come with God's intervention when the world will be all good and no evil, this is known as the new heaven and the new earth.

[QUOTE]Or if I said this----

The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”[/QUOTE

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.

I know of two types of Gnostic Christians, one Gnostic Christian who see God as evil and another Gnostic Christian who see God as good. You happen to be a Gnostic Christian who see God in a bad light. Morality is subjective and is based on cultural norm, situation and personal belief. Cultural norm - it is immoral to rape yet in some jungle tribes it is a norm to snatch women in their own tribe or from another tribe. It is immoral to have many wives yet it is normal for millions of Muslims have more than one wife. It is generally immoral in many Asians to have sex before marriage but not so in Westerns.
Situational - It is immoral to kill a human being and pillage but in war it is normal to kill and pillage the enemies. It is immoral to lie and cheat but it is moral to do so to save an innocent soul
Personal belief - it is immoral to kill babies but it is ok to abort as a fetus is not life.(Yet God says, (the life is in the blood"). It is immoral to have many wives and husbands but it is not immoral to divorce and marry multiple times. Narcotic abuse and smoking cannabis is ok.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

Cosmic consciousness? I call it personalized intuitive consciousness. What difference is cosmic consciousness compared to religious inspirations?

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.

Agree that no proof is as good as no truth so is ignorance no excuse.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

Cosmic consciousness is nothing cosmic but personalized intuition.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals

Seems like every religion believers are nuts except those who do not believe in God yet it is said, "The fool says in his heart, there is no God".

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

Sounds like a confused bird sitting on a fence.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.

The fool says in his heart there is no God and their works are evil.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

Your apotheosis is subjective. My apotheosis says that God desires love, adoration and obedience so as to cultivate in us such righteous habits of Love God and your neighbor as yourself so as to be eligible to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Man may be dominion on earth but yet has practically no knowledge of fusion energy or gravity or the black hole or galaxies or how life was formed from non-living things or how to resurrect the dead. Seems like God has far more knowledge than man as He has the power to do and create all these. Who then is the supreme being?

God Bless to you and all.