Hey there CWH, when consciousness leaves the body, it is not unconsciousness.
It's more like non-bodily consciousness.
Originally Posted by luke1978
For now we'll stick to the first experience only.
1985: A car trying to speed through a yellow light at approximately 38mph, hit this body which was pulled through the passenger side front wheel well of a Mercury Lynx economy car, and catapulted like a coin-tossed flipping quarter. Approximately 30 feet from initial impact, the feet first touched the ground and then flopped up and this head made the one point landing, the back of it smacking so hard against the hot pavement, it left a dent and a pool of blood in the road as the body scraped the pavement to a sharp short swift halt directly in front of a truck stopped at the then red light.
There was a tumbling and a snapping sensation that made consciousness realize we were no longer "attached" to that body, and with it came a sense of unbounded--(not-physically or emotionally oriented)--sense of freedom never before known...kinda' like "where are we going to go now and what shall we decide to do?"
Two guys got out and looked. One said, "There's nothing we can do but call the ambulance."
The other fellow said, "LOOK, he's still alive! ...and pointing his right hand index finger continued, "HE's TWITCHING!"
The first spoke back loudly, "That's just nerves. He's dead."
This scene was clearly observed from above cloud level. Beneath the clouds it was overcast, but this "conscousness" was observing that scene in complete sunshine....and without going into alot of detail further, most of the first death experience occured just like others have accounted in life after life books: at first complete confusion wondering who that guy was that was laying there dead feeling grief for him, then recognizing that was the carcass this spirit of the soul abode in...and the dark tunnel, like a funneling tornado turned top end facing you, then seeing the pristine light in the distance and wanting to pass beyond it...and having traveled past it, and continuing that way, ...[this part right here is not going to be spoken about]...then it seemed like a huge hand grabbed this spirit, and shoved it as if through a seive, back into that body laying on the pavement.
From then, the pain became so extreme, conscious awareness in the body became impossible, and it was left alone again....hovering overhead and watching, almost as if guarding this flesh.
The "black spiral corridor" in the funnel came into view again, but a voice (of that hand) said not to leave again. Leaving was still attempted, yet blocked by something unseen.
The body was returned into when the EMT's arrived and there was a fight against them moving it...but how much can a one usable legged, broken ribbed, severly bruised kidney injured person ward of two healthy strong 25+ year old guys, except get in a few solid punches until they strap your body an limbs into a full body brace, and strap you to a gurney?
They were told to leave 'me' alone, and then the pain grew so bad again, and again consciousness was hovering outside the body until the orthopedic surgeon in ER was smacked across the room into the wall after saying "Looks like we will have to amputate ."
Surgery then ended with a carpal scrape to reduce the swelling in the leg that was the size of about a watermelon (full length). The doctor after being knocked silly, re-evaluated and determined to wait and see, then after two days, attempt to repair the damage according to whatever x-rays warranted.
That whole incident was over 3.5 hours, and of that time, more than 40 minutes was recorded as flatline (in the ER).
[From that point on, things not physically visible to others were no longer always invisible here, and perspective concerning many things has changed considerably as a result of this.]
Oh it's real alright...yet, by whose standard and by what definition of reality????
Originally Posted by luke1978 as he continues:
(Doesn't 0 dimensions fit in nicely here?)
If it doesn't bother you, or if it does, from this perspective these related experiences can be accounted for a OOBE's, simply due to the emotions swaying the activities you have recounted. Though post-modern psychology fails to recognize human instincts, let's understand that with astral activity, it stems from emotive/instinctual activity (in these cases fear/self-preservation). As well, because it seems unreal, this could be due to either through the censorship of your own psyche and/or possibly the lack of rational control of the events you have revealed.
Astral movement and activity is strongly linked to the turning of the emotions, often in relation to 'instincts'.
Often the fear initiated through such unexpected experiences can become either a preventative, or at least a hinderance in accomplishing further activity on this field of awareness.
Originally Posted by luke1978 then said in conclusion,
Both are of extreme interest here, which also leads to watching and waiting for Rose and RAM and jce and wiki and you too CWH and any others to chime in about that video and the related what-not and wherefores
So, just remember, though if there could might possibly perhaps maybe or not be silence from this quarter...
We'll be ing.
The wyld wildcard,
Tim Timmy Tim Tim Tim
p.s. Luke, your writings here are a welcomed pleasure to read. Please keep it going
...just don't let feelings take from or get the best of you here