Declaration of Sentiments by Elizabeth Cady Stanton

[Rose]

Here is a list of the Declaration of Sentiments composed by Elizabeth Cady Stanton, as presented at the first women’s rights convention at Seneca Falls, NY. If one looks over these statements carefully it can be concluded that these 'denied rights' are for the most part drawn directly from the Bible.

• He has never permitted her to exercise her inalienable right to the elective franchise.
• He has compelled her to submit to laws, in the formation of which she had no voice.
• He has withheld from her rights which are given to the most ignorant and degraded men - both natives and foreigners.
• Having deprived her of this first right as a citizen, the elective franchise, thereby leaving her without representation in the halls of legislation, he has oppressed her on all sides.
• He has made her, if married, in the eye of the law, civilly dead.
• He has taken from her all right in property, even to the wages she earns.
• He has made her morally, an irresponsible being, as she can commit many crimes with impunity, provided they be done in the presence of her husband. In the covenant of marriage, she is compelled to promise obedience to her husband, he becoming, to all intents and purposes, her master - the law giving him power to deprive her of her liberty, and to administer chastisement.
• He has so framed the laws of divorce, as to what shall be the proper causes of divorce, in case of separation, to whom the guardianship of the children shall be given; as to be wholly regardless of the happiness of the women - the law, in all cases, going upon a false supposition of the supremacy of a man, and giving all power into his hands.
• After depriving her of all rights as a married woman, if single and the owner of property, he has taxed her to support a government which recognizes her only when her property can be made profitable to it.
• He has monopolized nearly all the profitable employments, and from those she is permitted to follow, she receives but a scanty remuneration.
• He closes against her all the avenues to wealth and distinction, which he considers most honorable to himself. As a teacher of theology, medicine, or law, she is not known.
• He has denied her the facilities for obtaining a thorough education - all colleges being closed against her.
• He allows her in church, as well as State, but a subordinate position, claiming Apostolic authority for her exclusion from the ministry, and, with some exceptions, from any public participation in the affairs of the Church.
• He has created a false public sentiment by giving to the world a different code of morals for men and women, by which moral delinquencies which exclude women from society, are not only tolerated but deemed of little account in man.
• He has usurped the prerogative of Jehovah himself, claiming it as his right to assign for her a sphere of action, when that belongs to her conscience and her God.
• He has endeavored, in every way that he could to destroy her confidence in her own powers, to lessen her self-respect, and to make her willing to lead a dependent and abject life.

The Bibles promotion of sexism is one of histories greatest long term injustices which has caused untold suffering for women at the hands of men who believed they were carrying out the will of the biblegod.

Rose

[CWH]

The Bibles promotion of sexism is one of histories greatest long term injustices which has caused untold suffering for women at the hands of men who believed they were carrying out the will of the biblegod.

Correction: the Bible does not promote sexism and injustice, it is evil men making use of passages and the supposed sexism passages in the Bible and loopholes in national laws on human rights for their own benefits and political agendas.

Same with what some terrorists are doing by using the passages in Islam and the fervent beliefs of Islam to promote their own terrorist's and political activities.

Same as those who abuse the loopholes in national laws such as the right to sue, divorce, abortion etc. for their own benefits.

Simple logic.


God Bless us all.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Correction: the Bible does not promote sexism and injustice, it is evil men making use of passages and the supposed sexism passages in the Bible and loopholes in national laws for their own benefits and political agendas.

Same with what some terrorists are doing by using the passages in Islam and the fervent beliefs of Islam to promote their own terrorist's and political activities.

Same as those who abuse the loopholes in national laws such as the right to sue, divorce, abortion etc. for their own benefits.

Simple logic.


God Bless us all.

I think everyone can agree that the history of all cultures that have been based on the Bible have been thoroughly sexist. The Bible is the "tree" that brought the fruit of Christian civilizations.

Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[CWH]

I think everyone can agree that the history of all cultures that have been based on the Bible have been thoroughly sexist. The Bible is the "tree" that brought the fruit of Christian civilizations.

Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

The Bible is not sexist. Show me any sexist verse or passage in the Bible and I can show you it is not sexist. It is evil men that abused the supposed sexist's passages in the Bible for their own benefits. Same can be said of the Muslim laws and even the Buddhist's religious laws, Hindu laws etc.. Why do you deliberately target only on the Bible and Christianity? Everybody knew that people throughout the ages have been abusing religious and national laws for their own benefits.

If you said that it is men who wrote the Bible then it can also be rightly said that it is evil men who abused what was written in the Bible to achieve their own benefits and agendas.


God Bless.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

The Bible is not sexist. Show me any sexist verse or passage in the Bible and I can show you it is not sexist. It is evil men that abused the supposed sexist's passages in the Bible for their own benefits. Same can be said of the Muslim laws and even the Buddhist's religious laws, Hindu laws etc.. Why do you deliberately target only on the Bible and Christianity? Everybody knew that people throughout the ages have been abusing religious and national laws for their own benefits.

If you said that it is men who wrote the Bible then it can also be rightly said that it is evil men who abused what was written in the Bible to achieve their own benefits and agendas.


God Bless.

I don't think you know what sexist means. Here's a good definition:

Definition: A sexist system is any system in which people's life decisions are unnecessarily preordained on the basis of perceived biological sex. In the United States and most of the rest of the West, it specifically refers to any belief or behavior that puts women and girls in a position of subservience to men and boys.

The Bible explicitly states that women are to be subject to men. It explicitly states that men are the "head" over women in the same way that Christ is head over men. This is, by definition, sexist.

[CWH]

I don't think you know what sexist means. Here's a good definition:

Definition: A sexist system is any system in which people's life decisions are unnecessarily preordained on the basis of perceived biological sex. In the United States and most of the rest of the West, it specifically refers to any belief or behavior that puts women and girls in a position of subservience to men and boys.

The Bible explicitly states that women are to be subject to men. It explicitly states that men are the "head" over women in the same way that Christ is head over men. This is, by definition, sexist.

From you definition of sexist, I don't see any verse or passage in the Bible in which Eve was subservient to Adam even though Adam rule over Eve. Did you? I don't see any passage in the bible in which women or girls were subservient to men or boys. What I see are passages which are misinterpreted as sexist or that evil men abused the passages in the Bible to gain dominance (in the negative sense) over women and girls. Dominance is ok if the dominance is not abused in the negative way which I have said in my previous posts about dominance of bosses over his employees or of President Obama which is ok and rightly so as long as he don't abused his power. I hope you can agree with me on dominance.


May God Bess us all.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

From you definition of sexist, I don't see any verse or passage in the Bible in which Eve was subservient to Adam even though Adam rule over Eve. Did you? I don't see any passage in the bible in which women or girls were subservient to men or boys. What I see are passages which are misinterpreted as sexist or that evil men abused the passages in the Bible to gain dominance (in the negative sense) over women and girls. Dominance is ok if the dominance is not abused in the negative way which I have said in my previous posts about dominance of bosses over his employees or of President Obama which is ok and rightly so as long as he don't abused his power. I hope you can agree with me on dominance.


May God Bess us all.

You did not address the passages I mentioned. The Bible explicitly states that women are to be subject to men. It explicitly states that men are the "head" over women in the same way that Christ is head over men. This is, by definition, sexist.

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

How many times do I have to present the facts before you will choose to deal with them?

[CWH]

[QUOTE]

You did not address the passages I mentioned. The Bible explicitly states that women are to be subject to men. It explicitly states that men are the "head" over women in the same way that Christ is head over men. This is, by definition, sexist.

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Nothing subservient. The sentence highlighted in bold simply means "I much prefer that woman do not teach the scriptures nor show that she be more authoritative over the man but to be silent". Paul being conservative, do not wish women who were less educated to showoff as more powerful and knowledgeable than learned men.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Nothing subservient; just some tradition of covering or not covering the head. Nothing mention that a woman must cover her head and be subservient to the man. Same as current behavior that woman should have (but not a must) longer hair than man so as to differentiate between woman and man. Be the head over the woman does not mean subservient. Are the citizen of USA subservient to President Obama as he is the most powerful man in the country?

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

How many times do I have to present the facts before you will choose to deal with them?

Submit does not mean subservient. Submit means trust and respect not subservient to authority. If I submit myself to the Lord, am I subservient to the Lord? Obviously no.

Now answer my question, "Is dominance without abuse of power ok?"


God Bless.

[jce]

My 2 cents on the foolishness of accusing God of unfair treatment of women.

First, I am admonished in the scriptures to love my wife (my one & only wife for over 40 years) in the same manner as Christ loved the Church (read Ephesians 5:24-33). What more needs to be said? It is a directive from God, to obey or disobey. Regarding fellow humans, To love them as oneself, another directive from God.

The Old Testament certainly presents some rather unseemly behavior by God toward His creation. Could some of those scriptural accounts in the OT be in error or simply allegorical and not historical? Maybe. Even if that were true, there are far too many examples of terrifying things allowed by God to dismiss them all as invalid. Even in the NT God makes an appearance demonstrating His authority to execute humans, witness Ananias & Sapphira (read Acts 5). Should people cease from their faith in God and His Word because of such acts? Why should they? All through the Bible, warnings are posted that God is terrible and greatly to be feared. Far too many to list in this brief post. The NT states that He has the power to create one vessel for honor and another for destruction (read Romans 9 and then read Psalm 2, and compare its 9th verse). This controversial statement begs the question, "which am I?".

The God of the Bible sets His own limitations. Does this seem unreasonable to anyone? His character exhibits many attributes. He has no equal. He is the Supreme Being. He has the power of Life and Death. Heaven and Hell are His to award. He demonstrates that the world is at His disposal. He is the final authority, He condemns... He justifies, He gives life, He take life away, and the wise will abide by His word.

How foolish that sinful human weaklings with limited intellect attempt to summon the Creator of the Universe into their own pitiful little court of justice, to a trial conducted by misfits who fearlessly pronounce His guilt and condemnation, fully incapable of sentencing Him and far too puny to carry it out. The rant of such heathen is relegated to nothing more than the derision and laughter of God Himself (Psalm 2:4).

And now, a paradox: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life".

The Word of God is so complete that it contains both the seed of faith and the seed of doubt. So, choose you this day whom you will serve.

John

"We who live by faith have evidence the world cannot see and assurance of the hope of Eternal Life"

[Rose]

My 2 cents on the foolishness of accusing God of unfair treatment of women.

First, I am admonished in the scriptures to love my wife (my one & only wife for over 40 years) in the same manner as Christ loved the Church (read Ephesians 5:24-33). What more needs to be said? It is a directive from God, to obey or disobey. Regarding fellow humans, To love them as oneself, another directive from God.

Hi John

Do you really think that admonishing a man to love his wife is going to make him love her if he doesn't already? You already love your wife, no one has to tell you to do so, just like I love Richard that is why I married him, the Bible doesn't have to tell me to love him. Love is not something you can make people do. What you can do though is teach people to treat others with kindness and respect, but that goes for both genders not placing one above the other.

The Old Testament certainly presents some rather unseemly behavior by God toward His creation. Could some of those scriptural accounts in the OT be in error or simply allegorical and not historical? Maybe. Even if that were true, there are far too many examples of terrifying things allowed by God to dismiss them all as invalid. Even in the NT God makes an appearance demonstrating His authority to execute humans, witness Ananias & Sapphira (read Acts 5). Should people cease from their faith in God and His Word because of such acts? Why should they? All through the Bible, warnings are posted that God is terrible and greatly to be feared. Far too many to list in this brief post. The NT states that He has the power to create one vessel for honor and another for destruction (read Romans 9 and then read Psalm 2, and compare its 9th verse). This controversial statement begs the question, "which am I?".

The God of the Bible sets His own limitations. Does this seem unreasonable to anyone? His character exhibits many attributes. He has no equal. He is the Supreme Being. He has the power of Life and Death. Heaven and Hell are His to award. He demonstrates that the world is at His disposal. He is the final authority, He condemns... He justifies, He gives life, He take life away, and the wise will abide by His word.

What people should do is take a good look at the biblegod and question whether or not such a god is believable. From what I read in the Bible there are no limitations to what the biblegod can do. On one hand he commands "thou shalt not kill" and on the other hand he orders the Hebrews to slaughter all the men, women and children (and show no mercy) in the land called the "Promised Land" so he can give them their houses, vineyards, livestock, and wells...and that's just the beginning...god's moral atrocities are splattered everywhere in the Bible.

I say it is totally unreasonable to believe in a God who commits such moral atrocities against his own creations and then somehow expects his creations to have a sense of what is moral. It's nothing less than outrageous!

How foolish that sinful human weaklings with limited intellect attempt to summon the Creator of the Universe into their own pitiful little court of justice, to a trial conducted by misfits who fearlessly pronounce His guilt and condemnation, fully incapable of sentencing Him and far too puny to carry it out. The rant of such heathen is relegated to nothing more than the derision and laughter of God Himself (Psalm 2:4).

And now, a paradox: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life".

The Word of God is so complete that it contains both the seed of faith and the seed of doubt. So, choose you this day whom you will serve.

John

"We who live by faith have evidence the world cannot see and assurance of the hope of Eternal Life"

I would say that humans with limited intellect were the ones who created the biblegod, whom people feel compelled to believe because of its antiquity without questioning its validity.

I choose to serve the ideals of equal human value, kindness and love, not a god who caters to his own whims and demands praise and worship for treating humans unequally and unjustly.

All the best,
Rose