Christianity and the Tree of Life

[Richard Amiel McGough]

But I'm not very impressed with the slight similarity between Chet and the Chinese character for the number 8. Are there any similarities with the other characters and Hebrew letters for the ten digits? If not, I would suspect this is a mere coincidence.

Hi Richard,

the significance is that both scripts or character systems (Hebrew & Chinese) represent the number 8 with a gate.


The same imagery / connection is found in several spiritual traditions such as Hinduism and the Torah; even the Vatican gets in on the act.


The Ishtar Gate in Babylon was the 8th gate -- the Star of Ishtar has the same 8 spokes as those that show up in Hindu art, in St Peter's Square, and in the Jesuit logo.

(Star of Ishtar)

There are some similarities, but they are quite obvious and predictable, between some Chinese numbers and the Roman ones, but I don't think that means anything more than people having similar (& simple) ideas in different places.

There are some links between the letters of the alphabet and Chinese characters -- the only one that (so far) I feel inspired to write much about is the link between the Parable of the Sower and the Plough, Miracles, Mysticsm, and the word Israel -- all bound up in the links between our letter A and its corresponding pictogram in Asia, and of course, the source for it all - Aleph / Aluph / Eleph[/QUOTE]

I am very impressed with the symbolic meaning of the Number 8. I see it as a natural symbol for new beginnings, octave, and within Christianity, resurrection. It was on the eighth day that Christ showed himself to Thomas and in the OT the child was circumcised on the 8th day, representing his entrance into the covenant community. This is why the early church made octagonal baptismal fonts like this one in Pisa:



It is also very interesting that he Arabic symbol for the number 8 looks like the shape of an octave:



I discuss these things in my article The Symbolic Meaning of the Number 8.

So I can see many of the associations you make with the Number 8, but I don't see that as being a good reason for having 8 connections to Tiphareth. But it's been a long time since I studied the Tree, so I'll have to review a lot of info before coming to any solid conclusion.

As for Chet representing a "gate" in Hebrew, where did you get that idea? There is no certainty about its meaning because it is not a normal Hebrew word, but most scholars (myself included) think it means fence, hedge, or wall. This coheres very well with a host of Chet KeyWords that exemplify related concepts. I discuss this in my introductory article to Spoke 8 of the Bible Wheel.



Great chatting!

[CWH]

But I'm not very impressed with the slight similarity between Chet and the Chinese character for the number 8. Are there any similarities with the other characters and Hebrew letters for the ten digits? If not, I would suspect this is a mere coincidence.

Hi Richard,

the significance is that both scripts or character systems (Hebrew & Chinese) represent the number 8 with a gate.

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The same imagery / connection is found in several spiritual traditions such as Hinduism and the Torah; even the Vatican gets in on the act.

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The Ishtar Gate in Babylon was the 8th gate -- the Star of Ishtar has the same 8 spokes as those that show up in Hindu art, in St Peter's Square, and in the Jesuit logo.

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(Star of Ishtar)

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There are some similarities, but they are quite obvious and predictable, between some Chinese numbers and the Roman ones, but I don't think that means anything more than people having similar (& simple) ideas in different places.

There are some links between the letters of the alphabet and Chinese characters -- the only one that (so far) I feel inspired to write much about is the link between the Parable of the Sower and the Plough, Miracles, Mysticsm, and the word Israel -- all bound up in the links between our letter A and its corresponding pictogram in Asia, and of course, the source for it all - Aleph / Aluph / Eleph

Hi refugeeguru,

Welcome to the forum.

Just for some information, the Chinese character for 8 (pa) to represent prosper or growth or increase is actually based on the nearest phonetic of the same meaning which is pronounce as fa:



http://www.chinese-word.com/data/3690.html

I have written several Chinese characters and how it is related to Biblical stories in my thread if one is interested:

http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/show...y-of-the-cross

Being a Chinese, I will be most interested to give my input on the relationship of Chinese characters to Hebrew letters and Roman numbers and the link between the Parable of the Sower and the Plough, Miracles, Mysticsm, and the word Israel. Please sent them over, or as the Chinese idiom says,"Sent the horse over".

Your input on the Chinese character 8 related to the Hebrew letter Chet and the Ishtar Gate in Babylon is interesting.


May God Blessed the Word.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hi refugeeguru,

Welcome to the forum.

Just for some information, the Chinese character for 8 (pa) to represent prosper or growth or increase is actually based on the nearest phonetic of the same meaning which is pronounce as fa:

http://www.chinese-word.com/data/3690.html

I have written several Chinese characters and how it is related to Biblical stories in my thread if one is interested:

http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/show...y-of-the-cross

Being a Chinese, I will be most interested to give my input on the relationship of Chinese characters to Hebrew letters and Roman numbers and the link between the Parable of the Sower and the Plough, Miracles, Mysticsm, and the word Israel. Please sent them over, or as the Chinese idiom says,"Sent the horse over".

Your input on the Chinese character 8 related to the Hebrew letter Chet and the Ishtar Gate in Babylon is interesting.


May God Blessed the Word.

Hey there Cheow,

I'm glad you joined the discussion. Your input on the meaning of the Chinese characters is very valuable since you are Chinese.

May you Fa!

Richard

[refugeeguru]

Hi refugeeguru,

Welcome to the forum.


Being a Chinese, I will be most interested to give my input on the relationship of Chinese characters to Hebrew letters and Roman numbers and the link between the Parable of the Sower and the Plough, Miracles, Mysticsm, and the word Israel. Please sent them over, or as the Chinese idiom says,"Sent the horse over".

Your input on the Chinese character 8 related to the Hebrew letter Chet and the Ishtar Gate in Babylon is interesting.


May God Blessed the Word.

你 好 和 谢 谢!

The Parable of the Sower, and the links eg 力, 男 and א, across the world, and to miracles and mysticism, is a big topic -- I will do a write up on it (it is probably worth a separate thread) once I have completed my planned Structure of Matter / Jesus Generations material and "Magic Carpet Ride" through Richard's 528 dream and the Book of Numbers.

The Parable of the Sower stuff IS beautiful -- and is a major key to the whole Bible,

Regards,

Peter

[refugeeguru]

Hi Richard,

I got the notion of Chet being a gate from my own teacher -- but it isn't too big a jump -- since most fences have a gate in them somewhere. The letters "evolved" a little after the fall of man -- so what used to be a gateway became "fenced off".

A similar thing happened with the Zayin -- it is a weapon in traditional scholarly accounts, but "pre-fall" (where war didn't exist), it was a hammer (ie useful for construction), and also the crowned Vau -- representing the wife as the crown of man, the beauty of the Sabbath (why Proverbs 31 in praise of the wonderful wife is read as part of the Friday night Sabbath "festivities"), the highlight of the week, the woman as the pinnacle of creation, the Queen of her home, etc etc -- ie very beautiful and positive images and associations.

The switch from "crown of glory " for a wonderful wife, to images of a "battle-axe" (don't know if the American allusion matches the Australian one?), and the hammer that drives a man into the ground may reflect a certain sense of humour (or tragedy) about the state of marriage in a fallen world,

Peter

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hi Richard,

I got the notion of Chet being a gate from my own teacher -- but it isn't too big a jump -- since most fences have a gate in them somewhere. The letters "evolved" a little after the fall of man -- so what used to be a gateway became "fenced off".

A similar thing happened with the Zayin -- it is a weapon in traditional scholarly accounts, but "pre-fall" (where war didn't exist), it was a hammer (ie useful for construction), and also the crowned Vau -- representing the wife as the crown of man, the beauty of the Sabbath (why Proverbs 31 in praise of the wonderful wife is read as part of the Friday night Sabbath "festivities"), the highlight of the week, the woman as the pinnacle of creation, the Queen of her home, etc etc -- ie very beautiful and positive images and associations.

The switch from "crown of glory " for a wonderful wife, to images of a "battle-axe" (don't know if the American allusion matches the Australian one?), and the hammer that drives a man into the ground may reflect a certain sense of humour (or tragedy) about the state of marriage in a fallen world,

Peter

Hi Peter,

Yes, most fences have gates just like most houses have doors. I see that concept as related to the fourth letter Dalet which literally means "door." See my Spoke 4 article called Dalet - the Door to the Way of God.

Arguments about hypothetical changes to the letters "after the fall" don't mean much to me. It feels like anyone could make up any explanation they like with that presupposition. I need a better foundation for my interpretations.

Zayin is an curious letter. The word seems to relate to zun (Zayin Vav Nun, Strong's #2109) which means "to feed" though I have not found much significance in that. When researching for the Bible Wheel book, I found that Zayin relates a lot to buzzing (zavav) and busy-ness which I related to the command to remember (zakar) the Sabbath. This association was strengthened by the fact that the Zayin KeyWord zakar (remember) appears very frequently in the alphabetic verses (see here). But Spoke 7 is a bit of an anomaly on the Wheel - it's connections with the meaning(s) of the seventh letter are the weakest amongst the 22 letters. This seems particularly strange given the strong emphasis upon the symbolic meaning of the number 7 in Scripture.

Concerning your remarks on marriage, it is interesting that whoredome (zanah) is a Zayin KeyWord.

I'm enjoying this discussion. Thanks for the input. I hope to find time to really dig into the Qabalah with fresh eyes.

Richard

[Richard Amiel McGough]

你 好 和 谢 谢!

The Parable of the Sower, and the links eg 力, 男 and א, across the world, and to miracles and mysticism, is a big topic -- I will do a write up on it (it is probably worth a separate thread) once I have completed my planned Structure of Matter / Jesus Generations material and "Magic Carpet Ride" through Richard's 528 dream and the Book of Numbers.

The Parable of the Sower stuff IS beautiful -- and is a major key to the whole Bible,

Regards,

Peter

Peter,

I really do look forward to your comments on the Dumbo Dream since it changed my life. I had the dream before becoming Christian, and it's significance remains even though I no longer call myself a Christian.

All the best,

Richard

[CWH]

你 好 和 谢 谢!

The Parable of the Sower, and the links eg 力, 男 and א, across the world, and to miracles and mysticism, is a big topic -- I will do a write up on it (it is probably worth a separate thread) once I have completed my planned Structure of Matter / Jesus Generations material and "Magic Carpet Ride" through Richard's 528 dream and the Book of Numbers.

The Parable of the Sower stuff IS beautiful -- and is a major key to the whole Bible,

Regards,

Peter

你 好. Ni Hou Peter,

For those who don't understand Chinese, what Peter is saying is that the parable of the Sower has some relation to the chinese characters for strength (力), male man (男 i.e. strength tin the field) and ?plant (א)...can't figure the last character. Obviously, the sower is a strong man (Jesus) who planted the Gospel in the field i.e. the world.
(IMG]http://www.chine-culture.com/images/arts/calligraphie/quadrillage-4.jpg[/IMG]
Chinese character for field.

May God Bless us with His revelations.

[duxrow]

Agree with Peter about a major key..

'Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the
word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever". 1Pet 1:23

John's Gospel finally revealed the metaphoric views of Jesus with his many "I AM" statements: the Bread, the Vine, the Word, etc., but it wasn't until Peter linked him to the Incorruptible Seed, that we could relate Him to the Sower Parables, and to what Our Husbandman Father planted in the Garden of Eden.

He never said "I AM the Rock", because it would have driven the Pharisee's ballistic. He left it for Paul to say in 1Cor10:4.

He was planted in the womb and in the
tomb, and the Reaping takes place in Revelation! The crop is ready for harvesting, you think? Or maybe weeding?

[refugeeguru]

Christians are used to the idea of creation being "done" by the Word of God. And since they see Jesus as 'the Word of God Incarnate', it should be no surprise that there are many links between Jesus' names and the creation account in the Bible, which is intertwined with the Tree of Life.

These links include links with:

• The Tree of Life which is built into, or lies under, the Biblical text covering the Genesis Week.
• The route back up through the Tree of Life for fallen mankind. This includes Jesus' Greek Name, which is a numeric picture of the Tree as the route back to God (Elohim). Also included are the 7 and 12 paths in the tree, which can be be used as paths by which we can climb back towards God. Those same paths, through all four universes, are embodied in Jesus Hebrew name, just as the structure of the Hebrew Alphabet, and its 231 gates, are embodied in the name Israel. The reflective pattern that underpins Jesus names and the structure of the Tree of Life also occurs ine the story of God meeting Moses at the burning bush.
• The structure of the Periodic Table, such as the numeric series which underpins the Table.
• The Row Lengths in the Periodic Table, which are derived from the same numeric function which generates Jesus' Hebrew name.
• The Name Elohim, which is used in the Genesis account. This name is closely related to the structure of the Periodic Table.
• The 42 letter name of God, which was used by God in creating the universe, and which was engraved on the staff of Moses before the fall of mankind. Adam and Eve took the staff with them when they were expelled from Eden – and the staff eventually came into Moses' possession, via his father-in-law, who got it from Egypt – and probably 'stole it' from the Pharoah, who did something of a dummy-spit after Moses' future father-in-law protested against Balaam's pan to eliminate the Hebrews by killing all the baby boys. Pharoah refused to pay his adviser the agreed fee after he wouldn't go along with Balaam's genocidal plans, so (simplifying a couple of deepeer twists to the story) Jethro 'pinched' the staff which the Egyptians had taken from Joseph's palace after Joseph died. All of that is a long story, but it is part of the background to the 42 Letter name of God, something most modern Christians are unfamiliar with. [Some of the after-effects of that story pan out in Richard's 528 dream, and the magic carpet ride that is tied to the mass slaughter in Numbers 31. That story also has links with Job's troubles, especially the part with which 'Word of Faith' preachers struggle, ie why God gave the devil the OK to just haul off and decimate everything Job had – business, animals, house, health, marriage, and kids. The 'Word of Faith' guys say that it happened 'because Job was in fear', praying all the time that no harm would come. They are only partly right (if they know the background story – and if they don't know the story, their explanations are simply wrong) – Job had plenty of reason to be nervous, and God had plenty of grounds for letting the devil have a go at him. (Will save all that for future posts). Anyway, getting back to the 42 Letter Name, Moses used it (among several other things) to split the Sea.
• The parable of the Sower, and the number (92) of naturally occuring elements - ie those from Hydrogen to Uranium. I will save the parabl of the sower links for a separate thread on the forum, but will cover the 92 elements and the 92 distinct words in the Bible account of the Genesis week.
• The 'wrap around' structure of the Torah, and its connection with the Roman soldier splitting Jesus' heart with the spear. That full Torah, which is very much an expression of the Word of God, and the computer program for our current universe, is linked (according to current theories) to the number of fundamental particles in the universe (and to Abraham's name).

I include the numerics (or at least the basic ones) that go with the 42 Letter name in the pictures that describe the links. (I use pictures to illustrate the links). One graphic will highlight the misuse (or attempted misuse) of the power in the Tree and the 42 Letter name in modern times.

I will start with some 'refresher pictures' on Jesus' names – both Greek and Hebrew. His Aramaic name is identical to the Hebrew one, Yeshua.



Jesus' Greek name is numerically 888. (And no, the name does not mean Yay Zeus!).



Jesus is known as Jesus Christ. The Greek term 'Jesus Christ' is depicted above.





The expression Jeus Christ, as written (in Greek) in the New Testament, is numerically equal to 2368.

2368 is also the year (from Adam) of Moses' birth, something which is well documented in Jewish tradition.

Towards the end of this post, I will discuss the fall of man, the seduction of Eve, the Tree of Life and what is spelled out in Parashah Naso (part of the Book of Numbers).

Parashah Naso is the longest Parashah in the Torah, It is composed of 176 verses. Similarly the longest Psalm in the Bible consists of 176 verses. That Psalm, ie Psalm 119, is structured around the Alphabet, with eight verses in a row, each starting with the same letter of the Hebrew alphabet. Those letters of the alphabet are the connecting paths in the Tree of Life.
Similarly, there is a section of the Talmud, consisting of 176 verses.

Those three sections (176 + 176 + 176 = 528 verses) are linked, and have connections with Richard's 528 dream in the Dumbo thread (More on that in future posts).




of the diagrams are connected with the Word of God and its flow from God to us through the Tree of Life. Speech, especially Divine speech, is energy, which flows in waves. The numbers 'painted' in the text are one of the ways we can measure the waves.

We use measurements like wave length, wave height(amplitude) and frequency to measure waves.





If two waves have the same measurements, but are out of phase with each other (eg good vs evil), one wave can negate the other.
So as we will see towards the end of the diagrams, Jesus (via His Hebrew name) negates the energy flowing from the fusion of the devil and Eve.











Jesus' Hebrew (and Aramaic) name, Yeshua, is numerically equal to 386.