The 33/66 Pattern

[duxrow]

Leviticus contains 'the law for her that hath born a male or a female' – precept for being 'born again'?
"And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled". Lev12:4

"But if she births a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation, and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days". Lev 12:5

Translation: For a boy it was 33, but for a girl it was 66. We want purifying to go to heaven, and the blood of Jesus is required. "The Jew first, and then the Gentile" is from Romans 1:16 and 2:9,10. The Jews were a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ: Gal 3:24.

'For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope'. Rom15:4

Like 'barren' Rachel and the Old Covenant came first, but were followed by fruitful Leah and the New Covenant.
King David lived about 1,000 B.C., smack in the middle of the Old Covenant, and was the 33rd generation from Adam.
Jesus was the 66th generation, like the number of books in the Bible—THE WORD.

[HeIsLord]

My interpretation would be this:

The context of the numbers 33 and 66 is Leviticus chapter 12.

Leviticus is the 3rd book
Text is the 12th chapter

The number 3 means "God", and 12 means "Ruler". So the theme of the chapter is "God's Ruler".

The number 33 is 3 x 11. 3 means "God" and 11 means "Hidden".
The number 66 is 3 x 22. 3 means "God" and 22 means "Revealed" or "Light".

Now, David came 33 years after Adam. He was "God's Ruler", the King of the Jews. David was annointed, but God was kept "Hidden", especially because of David's many sins.
Jesus Christ came 66 years after Adam. He was "God's Ruler", the Messiah, the King of the Jews. Except, Jesus was God incarnate, God "Revealed", the "Light of the world". He did not sin.

So, the meaning of 33 and 66 has nothing to do with being born again, it has everything to do with who is "God's Ruler".

Hope these thoughts bless you.

My system of spiritual numbers is presented in www.biblenumbersforlife.com

[Richard Amiel McGough]

My interpretation would be this:

The context of the numbers 33 and 66 is Leviticus chapter 12.

Leviticus is the 3rd book
Text is the 12th chapter

The number 3 means "God", and 12 means "Ruler". So the theme of the chapter is "God's Ruler".

The number 33 is 3 x 11. 3 means "God" and 11 means "Hidden".
The number 66 is 3 x 22. 3 means "God" and 22 means "Revealed" or "Light".

Now, David came 33 years after Adam. He was "God's Ruler", the King of the Jews. David was annointed, but God was kept "Hidden", especially because of David's many sins.
Jesus Christ came 66 years after Adam. He was "God's Ruler", the Messiah, the King of the Jews. Except, Jesus was God incarnate, God "Revealed", the "Light of the world". He did not sin.

So, the meaning of 33 and 66 has nothing to do with being born again, it has everything to do with who is "God's Ruler".

Hope these thoughts bless you.

My system of spiritual numbers is presented in www.biblenumbersforlife.com

I understand how you could make those associations, but there are many other meanings associated with those numbers. I have never felt confident to give a single meaning to a number. They are not used that consistently in Scripture. Case in point: Does the 12th chapter of every book exemplify the meaning of "ruler"? And what about the more profound meaning of the number 12 as exemplified by the meaning of the 12th Hebrew letter Lamed, to learn/teach? This coheres quite nicely with Christ teaching in the Temple at age 12. See my article here.

And as for 3 meaning "God" - what about the Number 1? If any number is the "Number of God" it must be that one. See my article Aleph - the Symbol of God, Origins, and First Things.

In the Bible, I have found that the Number 3 is much more strongly correlated with the Third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and the idea of Abundant Giving. Click the link for the article.

And how did you derive the meaning of the numbers 29 and 41?

Great chatting,

Richard

[duxrow]

My interpretation would be this:

The context of the numbers 33 and 66 is Leviticus chapter 12.
Leviticus is the 3rd book
Text is the 12th chapter

The number 3 means "God", and 12 means "Ruler". So the theme of the chapter is "God's Ruler".
The number 33 is 3 x 11. 3 means "God" and 11 means "Hidden".
The number 66 is 3 x 22. 3 means "God" and 22 means "Revealed" or "Light".

Now, David came 33 years after Adam. He was "God's Ruler", the King of the Jews. David was annointed, but God was kept "Hidden", especially because of David's many sins.

Not years: GENERATIONS

Jesus Christ came 66 years after Adam.

Generations!

He was "God's Ruler", the Messiah, the King of the Jews. Except, Jesus was God incarnate, God "Revealed", the "Light of the world". He did not sin.

So, the meaning of 33 and 66 has nothing to do with being born again, it has everything to do with who is "God's Ruler".

Hope these thoughts bless you.

That's fine;Nevertheless, the purification of the woman required a specific agenda, with NUMBERS that are similar to the children of Leah, and those of Rachel, which went down into Egypt with Jacob.

My system of spiritual numbers is presented in www.biblenumbersforlife.com

Yep, I've read it, and even left comment there for you. Think we're on the same team -- just diff positions. Chow, baby!

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Jesus was the 66th generation, like the number of books in the Bible—THE WORD.

But he wasn't really the 66th generation. Luke lists 77 generations from Adam to Christ. How are we supposed to understand that?

[duxrow]

But he wasn't really the 66th generation. Luke lists 77 generations from Adam to Christ. How are we supposed to understand that?

Luke lists the pedigree of Mary's husband, showing he was of the line of David (thru Nathan). There's a father-son pair, v.27 I think, Salathiel to Zorobabel, that is not the same as the pair in Matthew.

Matthew is pedigree of Jesus, but not counting the 19 generations prior to Abraham, and leaving out five names from the Solomon column of 3x14. Mary didn't have a brother -- her Daddy's name was Joseph! Like in the story of Zelophehad, Numbers 26 & 36.

The first Ten Generations in Gen5, are followed by ten more which end with Abraham, and the THIRD TEN are at the close of the Book of Ruth.

[duxrow]

More on the 33/66

http://www.cswnet.com/~duxrow/webdoc5.htm

Scroll down a bit to find a chart of His pedigree, showing how Enoch and Lamech and the two Jacobs figure in the lineup.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Luke lists the pedigree of Mary's husband, showing he was of the line of David (thru Nathan). There's a father-son pair, v.27 I think, Salathiel to Zorobabel, that is not the same as the pair in Matthew.

Matthew is pedigree of Jesus, but not counting the 19 generations prior to Abraham, and leaving out five names from the Solomon column of 3x14. Mary didn't have a brother -- her Daddy's name was Joseph! Like in the story of Zelophehad, Numbers 26 & 36.

The first Ten Generations in Gen5, are followed by ten more which end with Abraham, and the THIRD TEN are at the close of the Book of Ruth.

I found this page (http://custance.org/old/adamjesus.html) that says there were 21 generations to Abraham and then 13 more to David who is therefore the 34th generation from Adam. Here's the list:

ADAM (1)
SETH (2)
ENOS (3)
CAINAN (4)
MAHALEEL (5)
JARED (6)
ENOCH (7)
METHUSALEH (8)
LAMECH (9)
NOAH (10)
SHEM (11)
ARPHAXAD (12)
CAINAN (13)
SALA (14)
EBER (15)
PELEG (16)
RAGAU (17)
SARUCH (18)
NAHOR (19)
TERAH (20)
ABRAHAM (21)

The added name Cainan comes from Luke's genealogy which corresponds exactly with the genealogy from Adam to Abraham that you present except for that one name.

Any idea how to fix this?

[duxrow]

Sure. The CAINAN#13 doesn't belong -- he got it from Lk3 (a copyist error is my guess) -- cause there are NOT two Cainan's in the pedigree, at least IAW Gen 11 and 1Chr. ??

ps. Lu:3:36: Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
Lu:3:37: Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, (This Cainan a no-show in the OT – probly copyist error from v.36)

[HeIsLord]

Correction taken to my first note. "Generations" not "Years".

Concerning spiritual meanings of numbers, God is not the author of confusion. My belief is all the number have specific meanings, however, there are sometimes a variety of implications of that meaning on the context, and levels of depths to the meaning. But not two widely different meanings to a given number.

I have subjected any proposed meaning of a spiritual number to five tests:

(1) Association of meaning in places where the number is quoted in the Scripture.
(2) Consistency of meaning with gematria (numerical values of Bible words and phrases)
(3) Agreement of meaning to the order of books in the Bible, the order of chapters in books, and the order of verses in chapters.
(4) Internal consistency of meaning. The meaning of a number should be related to the meaning of its numerical factors. (Example: 27=9×3. If 9 means 'Spirit' and 3 means 'Truth', then 9 x 3 should mean 'Spirit of Truth' or 'Spiritual Truth')
(5) Authority of written Scripture over all possible interpretation of Bible numbers.

Usually there is confirmation quickly. If there is doubt based on the tests, that is likely not the meaning.

Note: Really appreciate the discussion on 33 and 66. I will study the blog link presenting the genealogical lines.

HeIsLord