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    Why does it matter if Obama refused to recognize Jerusalem (secular) as the capital of Israel? This has nothing to do with the Church, nor with God. There is only ONE Jerusalem as Jesus explained to the Samaritan woman; the Jerusalem (or Mountain) that is from above, and not below. So what Obama believes about secular Israel means nothing to the world. It is a historical site of where the Lord Jesus performed his miracles; it is a historical site that gave birth to the world. But should secular Israel be recognized as God's chosen country and/or people? No; not for the past 2,000 years.

    The Israel that is from above is of Christ. Those who are in Christ Jesus are Jews in the Spirit, and not by the flesh. This is why Paul stated quite a few times that in Christ, there is neither slave, nor free, rich or poor, Jew or Gentile; all who are in Christ are free, and thus make up the Israel from above. The city we live in is not a physical city that can be seen; it is a spiritual city filled with Christians who worship in faith, by faith, and through faith; not by location, habitat, or mountain. This is a common misconception by Protestants, and some Roman Catholics who fail to understand that nature of God's kingdom.

    It's unfortunate that Protestants today continue to make the same error made by Jews 2,000 years ago. And yet Jesus explained it to them very clearly. They asked of the Kingdom, "When shall it [kingdom] come"? Jesus said, "The Kingdom of God will not come in such a way that one exclaims, 'there it is', or "look there!" No, the kingdom of God is within you; in the Spirit, not the building.

    Thus, the Kingdom of God is a Spiritual kingdom; Christians from all over the world, who worship not on a physical mountain, but a Spiritual one. The Church and Israel are the same, and Jerusalem and the Church are the same; they are all the same; there is no distinction. In ancient times, there were Jews and Gentiles (foreigners). But since the miracle of Christ and His work in establishing the Kingdom of God through the works of the Apostles, there are only Christians and Gentiles. As stated, a Chrisitan is a Jew and a Jew is a Christian; they are one and the same. Protestants are in error when they use the phrase, "Christians and Jews". This may have applied 2,000 years ago, when Jews under the Old Covenant were defined by their Hebrew birth. But not so today, as there hasn't been a Hebrew in existance for 2,000 years.

    Joseph
    Last edited by TheForgiven; 05-16-2012 at 06:04 AM.
    Israel is more than just a race; it is more than just a nation; it is the people of God, from faith, by faith, and only faith. Those who assemble in the name of Christ Jesus, embrance Israel because they are Israel

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