Originally Posted by David M
Let's take a look at that passage in context:
Isaiah 47:9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments. 10 For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me. 11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know. 12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. 13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. 14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. 15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.I grant that you could interpret "widowhood" as the loss of the "husband" which in this context could be the king of Babylon who was overthrown by Cyrus. But the passage also speaks of "desolation" that would come "suddenly" - and when we compare this with the other prophecies against Babylon, we see that it is described as a very violent event:
Isaiah 13:15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. 16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. 17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. 18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children. 19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. Folks who try to harmonize all these verses with history follow the same path as you and try to see partial fulfillments scattered in bits and pieces here and there throughout a thousand years of history. If this is what God intended, he was singularly inept in expressing himself. And worse, if the prophecy is that vague, then how can it serve as proof of anything?
So there's really no need to grind this prophecy into the ground. If it was fulfilled historically, it seems to me that God made it sufficiently vague as to prohibit its use as "proof" of anything. So the point is moot.
My real interest is your assertion that you believe the Bible BECAUSE of prophecy. I don't think that is true. I think you began with a faith in the Bible, and then accepted anything that confirmed that faith and rejected anything that challenged it. You have not yet shown any verifiable prophecy that is sufficiently clear and lucid and verifiable to serve as "proof" for anyone except those who want to believe.
I would be very interested in your response to a question I have asked more than once: If you were a Muslim and "rationalized" every problem in the Koran, how would you free yourself from being trapped in that false religion?
All the best,