Originally Posted by duxrow
Lu 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Lu 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Mt 1:2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
Mt 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Mt 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
Mt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
The way I look at it Luke's geneology shows the ancestral line of the son of man.
It goes backwards in time to Adam.
Matthew's geneology is different. It shows our Spiritual Progression as sons and fellow heirs with Christ.
It goes forward in time and begins with Abraham. Our first steps on a journey in which we do not know where we are going (as was the case of Abraham when leaving Ur of the Chaldees) but beginning to follow the promises that are our guide to realizing the fullness of Christ in us the hope of glory.
Ur of the Chaldees means "Light of the Magicians, which basically describes all the people we are surrounded by that tie us to this earth plane, cause and effect world that we are imprisoned by (spiritually) since we came into this world.
In learning to live in this fallen world, we necessarily become caught in it.
It is not until we begin to experience the same spiritual awakening that Abraham symbolises that we beging to learn the way out.
It is the seed of Abraham which is Christ that leads us on this journey.
It is the seed of Adam that trapped us in the first place.
Mary is the good ground in which the seed (Christ) is planted.
She illustrates the receptive mind that is ready to accept the seed.
Gabriel comes to Elizabeth and announces the good things to come. (which is his job)
Gabriel announces to Mary how this will happen.
Lu 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Lu 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
Lu 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Lu 1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
Lu 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Lu 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Lu 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Lu 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lu 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Lu 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God
Now notice this is all future tense about the conception...
Then Elizabeth comes to Mary and says;
Lu 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Lu 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Lu 1:45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. (through Gabriel)
Lu 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
Lu 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
Lu 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
Lu 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
Here we see Mary speaking in the Past Tense concerning the conception.
There is nothing that "apparently" happened between Gabriel and Elizabeth telling Mary what would come to pass and Mary responding that it had come to pass.
Elizabeth spoke the word of God through Prophecy and Mary Believed it.
That was the conception.
The seed (word of God) was planted in Mary's womb at that instant that she believed just as it is planted in our hearts when we believe.
Just as Jesus said in the explanation of the Parable of the Sower.
The seed is the word. The sower is the son of man (Elizabeth, in this case) And the good ground bringeth forth fruit.
First the blade (two edged sword,..word of God)
Then the ear (hearing)
Then the full corn in the ear (Fruit)
So wouldn't this also relate to the Seed of the Woman being that Elizabeth spoke the words?
Harry Potter,.. "Is this all happening in my head, or is it real?"
Professor Dumbledor,.. "Of course it's all happening in your head. What makes you think that means it isn't real?"