Originally Posted by David M
Yes, I think we have much to talk about. I think it would be very good to start with the "main and plain" things - the BIG PICTURE. It's like the jigsaw you were talking about. The list of questions you posed have no answers until we establish the "Big Picuture." They are like the pieces of blue sky with wisps of clouds - we'd never finish the puzzle if we started with them. The Big Picutre is super plain and obvious. John the Baptist fulfilled the prophecies about the Elijah who was to come before Messiah AND the great and notable day of the Lord. There are no "two comings of Elijah"! Peter plainly stated that Pentecost fulfilled Joel's prophecy and he connected it to the "day of the Lord" which happened in 70 AD. This is confirmed again by Christ who predicted the destruction of the Temple saying it would happen in the first century (and history confirms). This is the Big Picture of the Bible - the coming of Christ and the judgment of Jerusalem.
Do you see the difference with the bits and pieces that you present? They are notable for their ambiguity. They do not have clear and unambiguous verses confirming them, whereas the Preterist position is confirmed my hundreds of mutually confirming verses interpreted in their plain and obvious sense.
But I will answer your questions here so you have an idea where I am coming from. Then we can choose a title and topic for the new thread where we can explore these issues.
1. Promises to Abraham which are not complete.
The Bible plainly states that ALL the prophecies given to Abraham have been fulfilled.
2. When is the fulfilment of Godís promise; 'But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD'?
That's open to debate.
3. When will the Jews recognize Christ and the veil removed?
Many Jews recognized Christ as Messiah in the first century. Indeed, all the Apostles were Jews. There is no promise that the nation as a whole would ever believe in Jesus.
4. When is the 'time of the Gentiles' fulfilled?
That term is not well defined. It's only used once in the Bible, so it would be foolish to use it in the foundation of any esachatological theory. We must begin with the main and plain things and interpret the obscure things in light of them.
5. When is the period of 'Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth' to take place?
That phrase is from a prayer. It is not a prophecy that there would be a time on this physical earth when it would be manifested.
6. When will Gog and Magog come to war against Israel?
That prophecy is extremely problematic. The Bible does not give enough information to determine its meaning with any certainty.
7. When will the Mount of Olives split in two?
That's probably figurative, like all of Zec 14.
8. When is the fulfilment of Zechariah chapter 14?
We know it can't be literal because it speaks of "all they that sacrifice" (Zec 14:21) and there is no way that God will be re-instituting OT style animal sacrifices.
9. When was the fulfilment of Ezekiel chapter 38?
That's a repeat of question #6 above.
10. When is the fulfilment of Revelation chapter 21?
It already happened. The New Jerusalem is the Church, as it is written:
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
I hope that helps you understand where I am coming from. Let me know what you think would be a good title and topic for the new thread and I will start it (or you could start it yourself).