No. Our eyes open so that we see as the disciples see. And,. yes that "cloud of witnesses" also fits perfectly as Gil pointed out.
Originally Posted by noble
We join the "cloud" that were witnesses because we too are witnessing it.
(Maybe unlike Gil,???)
I only see it as a future event only inasmuch as we have not witnessed it yet.
And sometimes we witness things we do not fully understand at the time.
In which case we are certain we witnessed something but have not yet recognised it described in scripture.
So most look at John's revelation as a future event. But was it? Was it future for John or was it happening?
Remember Jesus told him to tarry (wait) "till I come." When Peter asked him
about what he (Jesus) had said to John Jesus basically told Peter to mind his own business.
Spirit and matter are all one thing. It is a continuum. It is our faulty vision and other senses and our flesh mind that keeps us from seeing what is going on around us.
Our sins have separated us from our God.
If that be so, when those sins were taken away and we come to realize that they have been taken away (which may or may not be a gradual realization, depending on our faith) we begin to become aware of things we were not aware of before.
That is what the promises are all about. We look to those and begining to see that life is not what we thought it was. A little at a time and then, all at once. That is how we open up to it. Not because of anything that we do but because God is living up to His promises.
Much of what we find in scripture is allegorical in nature. Allegory is "putting clothes on the real."
Our carnal minds have it backwards.
Adam and Eve got coats of skins after the fall.
We are on our way back taking those clothes off as it were. Uncovering the Real behind the temporary and apparent.
That great "cloud of witnesses" all died in faith not having recieved the promise. That is no longer the case.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Heb 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,
Harry Potter,.. "Is this all happening in my head, or is it real?"
Professor Dumbledor,.. "Of course it's all happening in your head. What makes you think that means it isn't real?"