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  1. #61
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    Oy vey!

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    How much is fact and what is mingled with error by this one seems to be easily enuph discernable.


    How about a W.O.W.(t.m.) Timmy?
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    How be this:

    IF YOU BE UNINFORMED OR OUTRIGHT STIPID CONCERNING UNDERGROUND STREAMS, THE UNDER-EARTH HOLDING PLACE AND/OR THE ABYSS, YOU'LL NEVER REALIZE SOME THINGS UNTIL IT IS JUST TOO LATE. . .WHEN THUNDER UNDERGROUND STRIKES YOU OFF YOUR FEET.







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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    I ran across this quote from Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, 3:1. He held the common view that Genesis 6 talks about fallen angels having sex with mortal women:
    1. NOW this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers; and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness, whereby they made God to be their enemy. For many angels (11) of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better: but seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land.
    The footnote 11 says that "This notion, that the fallen angels were, in some sense, the fathers of the old giants, was the constant opinion of antiquity."
    The context of the discussion at hand doesnt' follow the conclusion. He's talking about how Seths descendants gradually deteriorated from their righteousness and faith. The 'angels' seem to be an obvious referral to the descendants of Seth. Even though gradually falling away from previous high standards, they must have continued to have a heritage of positive attitudes and perspectives about life which would have attracted unbelieving women of that day.

    The translation of 'angels' could be suspect and derived from the jewish presupposition that the translator or author mentions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EndtimesDeut32/70AD View Post
    The context of the discussion at hand doesnt' follow the conclusion. He's talking about how Seths descendants gradually deteriorated from their righteousness and faith. The 'angels' seem to be an obvious referral to the descendants of Seth. Even though gradually falling away from previous high standards, they must have continued to have a heritage of positive attitudes and perspectives about life which would have attracted unbelieving women of that day.

    The translation of 'angels' could be suspect and derived from the jewish presupposition that the translator or author mentions.
    Good point. I'll need to look into that more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    Good point. I'll need to look into that more.
    Good morning Richard

    I hope your investigations into this results in your understanding of who these supposed "angels" referred to in Genesis 6 are. As you know, my understanding is; they not God's Holy Angels. If that is a reasonable conclusion, then it means a reasonable explanation for the "angels" in Jude 6 has to be found. This is what I hoped you would do. The connection to who the angels in Jude 6 refer to is easy to understand, once you make the link with who was destroyed in the Wilderness and why and what there punishement was. Understand this and the figurative language used inn Jude is a key to helping unlock the figurative language used elsewehre about death.

    The implications of understanding that "angels" in these two cases are human, must greatly cause a shift in your thinking about angels and hopefully will lead you to evaluate some of the other strongly held beliefs you once had.

    I look forward to our exploring these misunderstandings of God's word.

    All the best,

    David

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    Question just thinking

    maybe titans are just poeple, evolved back then in original times in superior form minds, then fought for poweer grasps.that led them to such biengs to be extict or to be cycled here in the world up tiil now,and where there came? maybe from imbalance and exess energies that acumulated in the world that we then again came from when we are born. becoming beings of waste, exess imbalance, that will just maybe reform itself back to balance if the string brakes. hope not thought.

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