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    Oy vey!

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    How much is fact and what is mingled with error by this one seems to be easily enuph discernable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    I ran across this quote from Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, 3:1. He held the common view that Genesis 6 talks about fallen angels having sex with mortal women:
    1. NOW this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers; and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness, whereby they made God to be their enemy. For many angels (11) of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better: but seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land.
    The footnote 11 says that "This notion, that the fallen angels were, in some sense, the fathers of the old giants, was the constant opinion of antiquity."
    The context of the discussion at hand doesnt' follow the conclusion. He's talking about how Seths descendants gradually deteriorated from their righteousness and faith. The 'angels' seem to be an obvious referral to the descendants of Seth. Even though gradually falling away from previous high standards, they must have continued to have a heritage of positive attitudes and perspectives about life which would have attracted unbelieving women of that day.

    The translation of 'angels' could be suspect and derived from the jewish presupposition that the translator or author mentions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EndtimesDeut32/70AD View Post
    The context of the discussion at hand doesnt' follow the conclusion. He's talking about how Seths descendants gradually deteriorated from their righteousness and faith. The 'angels' seem to be an obvious referral to the descendants of Seth. Even though gradually falling away from previous high standards, they must have continued to have a heritage of positive attitudes and perspectives about life which would have attracted unbelieving women of that day.

    The translation of 'angels' could be suspect and derived from the jewish presupposition that the translator or author mentions.
    Good point. I'll need to look into that more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    Good point. I'll need to look into that more.
    Good morning Richard

    I hope your investigations into this results in your understanding of who these supposed "angels" referred to in Genesis 6 are. As you know, my understanding is; they not God's Holy Angels. If that is a reasonable conclusion, then it means a reasonable explanation for the "angels" in Jude 6 has to be found. This is what I hoped you would do. The connection to who the angels in Jude 6 refer to is easy to understand, once you make the link with who was destroyed in the Wilderness and why and what there punishement was. Understand this and the figurative language used inn Jude is a key to helping unlock the figurative language used elsewehre about death.

    The implications of understanding that "angels" in these two cases are human, must greatly cause a shift in your thinking about angels and hopefully will lead you to evaluate some of the other strongly held beliefs you once had.

    I look forward to our exploring these misunderstandings of God's word.

    All the best,

    David

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    Question just thinking

    maybe titans are just poeple, evolved back then in original times in superior form minds, then fought for poweer grasps.that led them to such biengs to be extict or to be cycled here in the world up tiil now,and where there came? maybe from imbalance and exess energies that acumulated in the world that we then again came from when we are born. becoming beings of waste, exess imbalance, that will just maybe reform itself back to balance if the string brakes. hope not thought.

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    really?

    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    Hello gigal and RAM

    As I understand it, "the sons of God" represents the sons born to Seth who replaced Abel who was killed by Cain.
    Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
    We simply get two lines of people represented by 'the sons of God' and 'the daughters of men'. The first is godly and the second is ungodly.

    Later there comes a mingling in marriage when the sons of God married the daughters of men which lead to the ultimate downfall of society in which only Noah and his family were the only ones recognised as righteous before God. This means everyone else was unrighteous and condemned. Hence, God's remedy was the Great Flood.

    Any other false interpretation of Angels having sex with humans is fantasy and flies against the principle laid down in Creation where kinds can only produce kinds. Humans cannot breed with spirit bodies to produce an inter-breeds. The same people who devised this fanatasy interpretation also forget that even if inter-breeding were possible, the Flood destroyed all living creatures not saved in the ark, and so the inter-breeds would have died a the time of the Flood. It is not recorded that the the same thing happened again to produce an inter-breed. That theoretical situation never happened in the first place.

    I look for a simple explanation instead of building a fantasy story according to man's imagination. Man is responsible for promoting these false ideas and causing the Bible to be judged as a myth. Those who believe such a fanatasy story have not stopped to reason this out; preferring to accept the word of man that the Bible is myth, rather than find out the truth. Man has created myths and so man is to blame once again .

    All the best,

    David
    The bible is full of "fantasy" stories, like moses parting the water in the exodus to jesus walking on water.
    Not to mention all the "miracles" he performed. There is also the verse where david sent out his scouts and when they returned they said that they were like grasshoppers to the giants. How about Sodom and Gomorrah... Destroyed by death ray.. Also, the flood story says that the "giants" were still alive after the flood. Wonder what else survived...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    The bible is full of "fantasy" stories, like moses parting the water in the exodus to jesus walking on water.
    Not to mention all the "miracles" he performed. There is also the verse where david sent out his scouts and when they returned they said that they were like grasshoppers to the giants. How about Sodom and Gomorrah... Destroyed by death ray.. Also, the flood story says that the "giants" were still alive after the flood. Wonder what else survived...
    Yeah, the Bible is filled with pagan mythology. Nothing could be more ironic than to call it the "Word of God." We got a pretty good thread going on this topic called Greek Mythology in the Bible?. My favorite example is how Revelation lifted the myth of the seven headed dragon (hydra):

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