Manna from Heaven

[duxrow]

WAS real - past tense - except for what's in the pot, if we could locate...

Heb:9:4: Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid
round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's
rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant..

Ex:16:18: And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had
nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every
man according to his eating.
Ex:16:19: And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.
Ex:16:20: Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them
left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth
with them.
Ex:16:21: And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating:
and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.
The manna was a PRECEPT and analogy, but with differences to Jesus the Living Bread.
"They were a teacher to lead us to Christ" Gal 3:24 Amen?

[Bob May]

WAS real - past tense - except for what's in the pot, if we could locate...

Heb:9:4: Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid
round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's
rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant..

Ex:16:18: And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had
nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every
man according to his eating.
Ex:16:19: And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.
Ex:16:20: Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them
left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth
with them.
Ex:16:21: And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating:
and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.
The manna was a PRECEPT and analogy, but with differences to Jesus the Living Bread.
"They were a teacher to lead us to Christ" Gal 3:24 Amen?

But he said I am the bread of life. Not I was the bread of life! Bob

[duxrow]

Was referring to the Manna -- not to Jesus, who is and for my money always will.. The Son and Seed and Word of God is also the Bread which nourishes us spiritually. Doncha just love all those metaphors?
Gotta go now--more tomorrow maybe.

[Beck]

Hello Beck

I am a fairly simple guy so like to keep things simple. I take it that Jesus was simply comparing the phyiscal bread that came down from heaven(in other words, God provided it) and the spiritual bread that came down from heaven (in that God provided Jesus).

The Manna in the wilderness sustained the people in the wilderness and Jesus is simply saying they have died and are dead, pesumably many will not be raised from the dead, hence they remain dead.

Greeting David,

That is what looks to be revealed of this first manna from heaven of an physical bread that one ate for the physical body, but in my studing this manna seem to be more toward the 'word of God' given out to those in the wilderness. That word of God is the commandments that where given to Moses. This manna was one of the flesh which Paul spoke was weak in that it was only for the flesh referring to the Law.(Romans 8)


In connection Paul spoke of one bread (loaf) and one body that we are all partakes of that one bread in Christ (1 Cor.10:17). The way that Paul described the body of death (Romans 7:24) is one that related to the Law of sin and death which also relates to bread. That is one reason Paul used 'Body' in the new testament is becasue there was a body of death in the old testament which isn't referring to the physical body, but the old covenant of death.

THE OLD COVENANT

• BODY OF FLESH

• BREAD OF THE FLESH

• BODY OF DEATH

THE NEW COVENANT

• BODY OF CHRIST

• BREAD OF THE SPIRIT

• BREAD OF LIFE

Paul's use of 'body' in 2 Cor. 5 has nothing to do with an individual's personal status after death – then or now, but everything to do with that 'corporate body' of the old covenant Israel.

It would also be my understanding that the writtings concerning Jesus and the miracle of the feeding the multitudes of full of symbolism referring to Israel. Which Jesus indicated they were seeking for bread and said unto them that he was the bread of life.

So I wouldn't just simply read, but should use spiritual discernment becasue there was an body in the old testament which was that body (covenant) of death, Likewise in the new testament a body of life. That old covenant of flesh was given the laws of God as the words or commandments of God. Therefore I come to understand when 'manna' is spoke of in the old testament it's not denoting something physical to eat, but to eat the words of God much in the same way Ezekiel and John was told to eat the book which was sweet and then bitter in their belly.

[Beck]

Yes, it's real. It's Jesus. When I was a boy back in 64 there was a huge media blitz that preceded the Beatles coming to America. For weeks or months before their appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show on nation wide telivision I remember adds in the newspapers that showed images of the beatles haircuts with the words The Beatle Are Coming! The advertisements were real, but if you are too young to remeber, yu will have to take my word (or someone elses) on it. The importance of those advertisements fell by the wayside after the Beatles actually came. And when I read thpose adds in the papers I had no idea what they meant. Bob

Hi Bob,

If you are responsing to the True Manna then Yes I totally agree that it was Jesus, but what I was asking was toward the old testament manna. The story just seems to supernatural to me to believe and while looking for an answer I started to notice that Jesus and his disciples and even Paul spoke of bread to which denotes the both covenants. The old covenant is spoken of as Bread, Death, Flesh which all refer to the fleshness of the law and not the physical body of man.

[David M]

Hello Bob

[cannot remember why I inserted quote, so have removed]

[edit] It is good we can see the spiritual lessons from these events and that is why the Bible is such a rich book and divinely inspired.

I think somteimes we can try to read too much into a verse. I have read comments on this forum to say that the whole of the Old Testament is an allegory. I think that is stretching allegory too much. The Old Testament is very important. Just this Sunday, I heard it said that the New Testament is a divine commentary on the Old Testament. You cannot take the New Testament in isolation from the Old Testament.

As long as we are on the same page that is good. We should recognize where we might be stretching a point too far, but the more we can see these associations aright, the better we are for it.


David

[Beck]

Hello Bob



I totally agree with you. It is good we can see the spiritual lessons from these events and that is why the Bible is such a rich book and divinely inspired.

I think somteimes we can try to read too much into a verse. I have read comments on this forum to say that the whole of the Old Testament is an allegory. I think that is stretching allegory too much. The Old Testament is very important. Just this Sunday, I heard it said that the New Testament is a divine commentary on the Old Testament. You cannot take the New Testament in isolation from the Old Testament.

As long as we are on the same page that is good. We should recognize where we might be stretching a point too far, but the more we can see these associations aright, the better we are for it.


David

David, you quoted my comments so are you agreeing with me or responsing to Bob?

[Bob May]

Greeting David,

That is what looks to be revealed of this first manna from heaven of an physical bread that one ate for the physical body, but in my studing this manna seem to be more toward the 'word of God' given out to those in the wilderness. That word of God is the commandments that where given to Moses. This manna was one of the flesh which Paul spoke was weak in that it was only for the flesh referring to the Law.(Romans 8)


In connection Paul spoke of one bread (loaf) and one body that we are all partakes of that one bread in Christ (1 Cor.10:17). The way that Paul described the body of death (Romans 7:24) is one that related to the Law of sin and death which also relates to bread. That is one reason Paul used 'Body' in the new testament is becasue there was a body of death in the old testament which isn't referring to the physical body, but the old covenant of death.

THE OLD COVENANT

• BODY OF FLESH

• BREAD OF THE FLESH

• BODY OF DEATH

THE NEW COVENANT

• BODY OF CHRIST

• BREAD OF THE SPIRIT

• BREAD OF LIFE

Paul's use of 'body' in 2 Cor. 5 has nothing to do with an individual's personal status after death – then or now, but everything to do with that 'corporate body' of the old covenant Israel.

It would also be my understanding that the writtings concerning Jesus and the miracle of the feeding the multitudes of full of symbolism referring to Israel. Which Jesus indicated they were seeking for bread and said unto them that he was the bread of life.

So I wouldn't just simply read, but should use spiritual discernment becasue there was an body in the old testament which was that body (covenant) of death, Likewise in the new testament a body of life. That old covenant of flesh was given the laws of God as the words or commandments of God. Therefore I come to understand when 'manna' is spoke of in the old testament it's not denoting something physical to eat, but to eat the words of God much in the same way Ezekiel and John was told to eat the book which was sweet and then bitter in their belly.

Hi Beck,

I think you are dead on. Excellent analysis.
It actually kept me up last night with all of the connections. It is a contrast and a shadow of what was to come. Which has come to those who allow themselves to "get it."

There is leaven in bread. Jesus said beware the leaven of the Pharisees which is hypocracy. But he also said that the kingdom is like leaven which a woman hid in three measures of meal till the whole was leavened. We get awarenesses of Jesus being written about in the OT and it begins to change our entire outlook of scripture. "Moses wrote of me." If you believed him you would believe me etc.

So the writings of Moses speak of Jesus and our relationship with him. The law and the prophets prophecied until John. Moses wrote of me.

1. They gathered manna for five days. Awareness of Grace. Our realization that it is all from God. It is all a gift.

2. On the 6th day we/they gathered double. We come to the awareness of being heirs and fellow heirs with Christ. Ephraim and Mannasah Both got the blessing from Jacob Israel.
'Ephrayim {ef-rah'-yim} dual of 0672;; n pr m AV - Ephraim 176, Ephraimite 4; 180 Ephraim = "double ash-heap: I shall be doubly fruitful" 1) second son of Joseph, blessed by him and given preference over first son, Manasseh

3. These two awarenesses lead to the Sabbath,...Rest,... Covenant.

All three of these contain the one awareness of Grace. It is not by works, it is not by effort. It is by taking ourselves out of the picture, so to speak.
That is the leaven that is supposed to leaven or permeate the entire lump body, soul and spirit. The awareness of Grace. That it has all been done. And we have nothing to do with the process except to keep ourselves from interfering with the process. In other words believe.

All the best,
Bob

[Bob May]

Hi Bob,

If you are responsing to the True Manna then Yes I totally agree that it was Jesus, but what I was asking was toward the old testament manna. The story just seems to supernatural to me to believe and while looking for an answer I started to notice that Jesus and his disciples and even Paul spoke of bread to which denotes the both covenants. The old covenant is spoken of as Bread, Death, Flesh which all refer to the fleshness of the law and not the physical body of man.

Makes perfect sense to me.
Bob

[Beck]

Hi Beck,

I think you are dead on. Excellent analysis.
It actually kept me up last night with all of the connections. It is a contrast and a shadow of what was to come. Which has come to those who allow themselves to "get it."

Hi Bob,

I'm glad we come to the same conclusion and you are correct that there are many connections. Of which I might still be over looking some.

There is leaven in bread. Jesus said beware the leaven of the Pharisees which is hypocracy. But he also said that the kingdom is like leaven which a woman hid in three measures of meal till the whole was leavened. We get awarenesses of Jesus being written about in the OT and it begins to change our entire outlook of scripture. "Moses wrote of me." If you believed him you would believe me etc.

You're correct here about the leaven (teachings) of the Pharisees is hypocracy and that the kingdom of God is like unto leaven or bread of which Paul said that we are one loaf and one body: We being many are one. This is to say that both Jews and Gentiles (Ephraim) is maded into one lump; one new man.

So the writings of Moses speak of Jesus and our relationship with him. The law and the prophets prophecied until John. Moses wrote of me.

1. They gathered manna for five days. Awareness of Grace. Our realization that it is all from God. It is all a gift.

2. On the 6th day we/they gathered double. We come to the awareness of being heirs and fellow heirs with Christ. Ephraim and Mannasah Both got the blessing from Jacob Israel.
'Ephrayim {ef-rah'-yim} dual of 0672;; n pr m AV - Ephraim 176, Ephraimite 4; 180 Ephraim = "double ash-heap: I shall be doubly fruitful" 1) second son of Joseph, blessed by him and given preference over first son, Manasseh

I've never noticed that of Ephraim having a double blessings with the double portion of manna for the Sabbath. Although Jesus is our Sabbath. Good Stuff.