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    Is an Immortal Sinner a Biblical oxymoron?

    An oxymoron is something that is incongruous; it is not harmonious, or makes sense.

    Does God allow immortal sinners to exist in his Kingdom, or in Heaven (Godís residing place)?

    Definition of terms:
    1. Immortal; cannot die.
    2. Sin; to disobey God

    Concerning man, we are told (Ezek 18:4); the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    The resurrection is to give man immortality. Jesus is the first to have been raised from the dead and given immortality. That is the same immortality given to those judged acceptable and given a place in Godís Kingdom. John writes (1 John 3:2). We shall be like him (Jesus).
    Jesus did not sin, and can no longer be tempted to sin. Jesus is now immortal and sinless.

    The reason man cannot be in Heaven (Godís residing place) is because of manís sinful nature. Speaking of flesh and blood that is (without the exception of Jesus) sinful; (1 Cor 15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    Jesus says (Matt 22:50); For in the resurrection .... are as the angels of God in heaven.
    Those resurrected to be in the Kingdom of God are made immortal and become the same as Angels (divine messengers) in respect of length of life. Therefore by implication, Angels must be immortal.

    Two more thoughts to think about before giving your reply;
    1. God is; omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, so why does God use Angels (divine messengers) ?
    2. Godís word goes forth and does not return to him void. (Isa 55:11) Angels are the messengers of God performing his word. Therefore, Angels accomplish the will of God.




    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    An oxymoron is something that is incongruous; it is not harmonious, or makes sense.

    Does God allow immortal sinners to exist in his Kingdom, or in Heaven (Godís residing place)?

    Definition of terms:
    1. Immortal; cannot die.
    2. Sin; to disobey God

    Concerning man, we are told (Ezek 18:4); the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    The resurrection is to give man immortality. Jesus is the first to have been raised from the dead and given immortality. That is the same immortality given to those judged acceptable and given a place in Godís Kingdom. John writes (1 John 3:2). We shall be like him (Jesus).
    Jesus did not sin, and can no longer be tempted to sin. Jesus is now immortal and sinless.

    The reason man cannot be in Heaven (Godís residing place) is because of manís sinful nature. Speaking of flesh and blood that is (without the exception of Jesus) sinful; (1 Cor 15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

    Jesus says (Matt 22:50); For in the resurrection .... are as the angels of God in heaven.
    Those resurrected to be in the Kingdom of God are made immortal and become the same as Angels (divine messengers) in respect of length of life. Therefore by implication, Angels must be immortal.

    Two more thoughts to think about before giving your reply;
    1. God is; omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, so why does God use Angels (divine messengers) ?
    2. Godís word goes forth and does not return to him void. (Isa 55:11) Angels are the messengers of God performing his word. Therefore, Angels accomplish the will of God.




    David
    Cain is forever written and therefore a "permanent dweller upon the earth" because he and his line are never written to have "lived" even though their names are written. Thus in Cain and his line we read of those who are banished from the adamah-soil of the heart, (Parable of the Sower) to forever roam the erets-outer-bounds temple "commons", ("the flesh" as in Romans 7). Their names are indeed "immortal" in a sense because they are men having been written of old time, (olam past) but although they are written in the book of the dead, (Genesis 4) they are men whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, (Genesis 5). It is the same with the Amalekites and their king Agag, and why we find reference to him again in the book of Esther; for the Most High has said that he shall have war with the Amalek from generation to generation, (Exodus 17:16). These are therefore spirit like the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you. And when the Most High shall deliver them before you; you shall smite them and utterly destroy them: you shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them, neither shall you make marriages with them as in the days of Noah. Therefore mortify your members which are upon your earth as even Paul teaches you. Likewise he says, "And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Canaan, he divided their land to them by lot", and again later in the same passage, "Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets, Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you", (Habakkuk 1:5). And with what does HaNavi Chabaquq follow up this statement? "For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwelling places that are not theirs. They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves. Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat, (Parable of the Sower). They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand. And they shall scoff at the kings, and the princes shall be a scorn unto them: they shall deride every strong hold; for they shall heap dust, and take it. Then shall his mind change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this his power unto his god." Jude also writes concerning these anthropon-man-faced men who "creep in unawares" with delightful sounding false doctrines while you are feasting in the word.

    Ahah, yes, those "hasty Chaldeans" which come to possess dwelling places not their own:
    And of course, in the doctrine of Yeshua, the man is not only the land but the house.

    Behold, a sower went forth to sow, and in his hand was a toxon-bow . . .

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