"god of this world"

[Edward Goodie]

2 Corinthians 4:4 -In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Hi folks,

I have been involved in a discussion with another individual who believes the "god of this world" is Jesus Christ. We both agree that "this world" refers to the old covenant age that was then present...

I disagree that the "god of this world" is Jesus Christ.

I would really appreciate your SCRIPTURAL thoughts on this matter...If you are unable (or unwilling) to use Scripture to support your claims, then please do not post. Richard, would you delete those kinds of posts, please.

Also, if this subject should not be in this eschatology section, please move it as you see fit.

Thanks, all. Sorry that I haven't been around much...

[Timmy]

2 Corinthians 4:4 -In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Hi folks,

I have been involved in a discussion with another individual who believes the "god of this world" is Jesus Christ. We both agree that "this world" refers to the old covenant age that was then present...

I disagree that the "god of this world" is Jesus Christ.

I would really appreciate your SCRIPTURAL thoughts on this matter...If you are unable (or unwilling) to use Scripture to support your claims, then please do not post. Richard, would you delete those kinds of posts, please.

Also, if this subject should not be in this eschatology section, please move it as you see fit.

Thanks, all. Sorry that I haven't been around much...

Hiya Edward,

No need to apologize bro, though i do apolgize to you for getting off on the wrong foot with you. i am sorry.

Much scripture could be given, however, first it is asked how this person comes to this nut-job of a conclusion. We can better get to the point this way and perhaps provide more scriptures that can help you out.

There was a person talked with here one time who was of the same persuasion, saying that the bright and morning star is the star of the morning and that the serpent in Eden was none other than Jesus...and more, but i finally told him he was queerer than a football bat and needed the blood of Jesus to wash him clean...and his eyes rolled back in his head then glazed over and he ran away faster than anyone i have ever seen do in my whole life.

Two days later he was reported struck down dead from running into oncoming traffic. It's not known if he went on a Forest Gump running spree or not.

So many said, "oh, that was demons" or "he was possessed" and more, but that is neither here nor there now is it? Like who really cares why...i mean that fellow just lost it and died. There was seen a look of fear come into those eyes like never before in my life though.

Here's something to start with from Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took him to an exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory. 9 He said to him, "I will give you all of these things, if you will fall down and worship me." 10 Then Yeshua said to him, "Get behind me, Hasatan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.'"
11 Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and served him.

Timmy

[Bob May]

Hi Edward,
Here are a few.
Timmy, You crack me up.


Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Bob

[heb13-13]

Hi Edward,
Here are a few.
Timmy, You crack me up.


Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Bob

That's good, Bob. I was going to quote John 12:31, too.

Undoubtedley, there are those who will then say the "prince of this world" is Jesus, too. But, if His kingdom is not of this world, then how can He be the "prince" of this world? So, they will just say it is the human authorities that are coming to arrest and kill Jesus.

Paul tells us that the battle is not physical but spiritual and the forces we fight against are not flesh and blood. Therefore the "prince of this world", must be a spiritual being.

Here again, if you have been following the "Demons" thread, this is discounted, too.

So, this thread may end up like the "Demons" thread.... going nowhere fast.

All the best,
Rick

[Brother Les]

2 Corinthians 4:4 -In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Hi folks,

I have been involved in a discussion with another individual who believes the "god of this world" is Jesus Christ. We both agree that "this world" refers to the old covenant age that was then present...

I disagree that the "god of this world" is Jesus Christ.

I would really appreciate your SCRIPTURAL thoughts on this matter...If you are unable (or unwilling) to use Scripture to support your claims, then please do not post. Richard, would you delete those kinds of posts, please.

Also, if this subject should not be in this eschatology section, please move it as you see fit.

Thanks, all. Sorry that I haven't been around much...

The 'god' of this world (pre-AD70) was carnal man

Hosea 4
1Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.

2By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.

3Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

4Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest.

5Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.

6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

7As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.

8They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity.

9And there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings.

10For they shall eat, and not have enough: they shall commit whoredom, and shall not increase: because they have left off to take heed to the LORD.

11Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.

12My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God.

13They sacrifice upon the tops of the mountains, and burn incense upon the hills, under oaks and poplars and elms, because the shadow thereof is good: therefore your daughters shall commit whoredom, and your spouses shall commit adultery.

[Edward Goodie]

The 'god' of this world (pre-AD70) was carnal man

Hosea 4
1Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.

2By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.

3Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

4Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest.

5Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.

6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

7As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.

8They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity.

9And there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings.

10For they shall eat, and not have enough: they shall commit whoredom, and shall not increase: because they have left off to take heed to the LORD.

11Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.

12My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God.

13They sacrifice upon the tops of the mountains, and burn incense upon the hills, under oaks and poplars and elms, because the shadow thereof is good: therefore your daughters shall commit whoredom, and your spouses shall commit adultery.

Les, I must not be very bright. I am not following how your initial assertion of the carnal man is proven by the Hosea passage...

Good points Bob, Heb 13:13, and Timmy (except for the rough castigation of those opposed )

Just so everyone knows what I think:

"this world" is definitely related to the old covenant system and its opposition to the new covenant world of grace through Jesus Christ.
The "god" of that world must be the supreme ruler of that old covenant system. This could entail individuals, beliefs, or practices from that system. The carnal man would fit well into the belief portion because it is what a man thinks. However, this is not referring to general mankind; it is referring to old covenant Israel. This could be satan/devil but not in the manner of some two-horned individual wearing a red suit. Satan just means adversary (enemy, opposition). Most of the time it was in reference to the leaders of the old covenant system. Sometimes it referred to believers who were opposing Christ. The unbelieving Jews were the enemies of the Gospel...need I say more.

The "god" of "this world" (back then) has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Calvinists, for the most part, would disagree.

[Brother Les]

Les, I must not be very bright. I am not following how your initial assertion of the carnal man is proven by the Hosea passage...Good points Bob, Heb 13:13, and Timmy (except for the rough castigation of those opposed )

Just so everyone knows what I think:

"this world" is definitely related to the old covenant system and its opposition to the new covenant world of grace through Jesus Christ.
The "god" of that world must be the supreme ruler of that old covenant system. This could entail individuals, beliefs, or practices from that system. The carnal man would fit well into the belief portion because it is what a man thinks. However, this is not referring to general mankind; it is referring to old covenant Israel. This could be satan/devil but not in the manner of some two-horned individual wearing a red suit. Satan just means adversary (enemy, opposition). Most of the time it was in reference to the leaders of the old covenant system. Sometimes it referred to believers who were opposing Christ. The unbelieving Jews were the enemies of the Gospel...need I say more.

The "god" of "this world" (back then) has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Calvinists, for the most part, would disagree.

You have answered your own question that you gave to me. Hebrews did not have (per se) a 'religion', it had NO Name.....(Judaism is not the name of the Temple Cultis system) they had a 'way of life'. The leadership of this 'way of life' were the Kings (YHWH said for taking a king, the people have rejected Me) and the Priests. The High Priest was the most important person of the 'Israelite/Judeite' Cultis 'World'....... YHWH said 'My People perish for the Lack of Knowledge'. The people that were to get 'The People' knowledge were the very ones that were giving The People False knowledge.