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    Quote Originally Posted by CWH View Post
    Tell me in the millenniums of human history of the world, who has ever lead humanity to real peace and prosperity? Not one! Not that I don't desire real peace and prosperity but that it is humanly impossible, only with God's intervention can real peace and prosperity be achieved. I am looking forward to that day of utopia. Many world leaders dreamt of that...Hitler, Napoleon but they failed utterly....even the Muslims dreamt of that, one united world religion. As long as wars, divisions, greed, evil, sin continue to exist, real peace and prosperity is just an illusion. Please do not blame on Christians and Christianity; did any non-Christian contribute to real world peace and prosperity?


    Forgive them Lord, they know not what they are doing. Amen. Happy New Year.
    Hey there Cheow Wee,

    There have been communities that were better than others. None have been perfect. But then, perfection is not something we should expect in this world, is it? Of course not. Perfection is like a star that guides us, it would be foolish to think we could grasp it.

    You say that we can never have "real peace and prosperity" without some sort of "intervention" from God. Why do you say that? When I began to learn to walk many years ago, I would often trip and fall. But now I can walk with near perfection. Sure, there will be an occasional trip but that doesn't mean that I can't walk without divine "intervention." Is not all life like this? Have not many people - indeed most people I would say - learned to "walk" in love and peace towards others? And have there not been worse times in the past? Why don't you believe that people will continue to learn and grow in love and compassion for each other?

    People love love. We hate hate. So why wouldn't we, as a planetary people, choose love? It is what we all want, right? So why don't we all choose it? There are many reasons I suppose, mostly having to do with past trauma and bad thought habits. With training and psycho/spiritual counseling, people can learn to live in the abundance of love flowing from their heart to all others.

    That's my prayer, anyway!

    Richard
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    Hey there Cheow Wee,

    There have been communities that were better than others. None have been perfect. But then, perfection is not something we should expect in this world, is it? Of course not. Perfection is like a star that guides us, it would be foolish to think we could grasp it.

    You say that we can never have "real peace and prosperity" without some sort of "intervention" from God. Why do you say that? When I began to learn to walk many years ago, I would often trip and fall. But now I can walk with near perfection. Sure, there will be an occasional trip but that doesn't mean that I can't walk without divine "intervention." Is not all life like this? Have not many people - indeed most people I would say - learned to "walk" in love and peace towards others? And have there not been worse times in the past? Why don't you believe that people will continue to learn and grow in love and compassion for each other?

    People love love. We hate hate. So why wouldn't we, as a planetary people, choose love? It is what we all want, right? So why don't we all choose it? There are many reasons I suppose, mostly having to do with past trauma and bad thought habits. With training and psycho/spiritual counseling, people can learn to live in the abundance of love flowing from their heart to all others.

    That's my prayer, anyway!

    Richard
    That's my prayer too that there will real world peace and prosperity but not through human means.

    Humans have been trying to achieve world peace and prosperity for thousands of years but failed, why do you believe it will ever succeed? And you believe they will succeed one day if they try and try? Same as I would put to you that you believe that people have been making predictions of the end of the world for 2,000 years and failed, why do you think it may one day succeed if they try and try?

    I see God as a Supreme Power that will one day subdue all nations to achieve real world peace and prosperity. Humans will never succeed in achieving real world peace and prosperity; this is confirmed by the millenniums of failure. What real peace and prosperity are we talking about if wars, disasters, sin, greed, evil, divisions etc. continue to grow? Throughout history, humans have never learn to live in peace and harmony. Why do you think they will succeed this time?


    May God gives us real peace and prosperity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWH View Post
    That's my prayer too that there will real world peace and prosperity but not through human means.

    Humans have been trying to achieve world peace and prosperity for thousands of years but failed, why do you believe it will ever succeed? And you believe they will succeed one day if they try and try? Same as I would put to you that you believe that people have been making predictions of the end of the world for 2,000 years and failed, why do you think it may one day succeed if they try and try?

    I see God as a Supreme Power that will one day subdue all nations to achieve real world peace and prosperity. Humans will never succeed in achieving real world peace and prosperity; this is confirmed by the millenniums of failure. What real peace and prosperity are we talking about if wars, disasters, sin, greed, evil, divisions etc. continue to grow? Throughout history, humans have never learn to live in peace and harmony. Why do you think they will succeed this time?


    May God gives us real peace and prosperity.
    There is no connection at all between the failed end time predictions and the failure to achieve perfect planetary peace. First, you have misunderstood my comments. I haven't said anything about "perfection." I don't believe perfection is possible in this world. There will always be problems, conflicts, and things like that. But there is no reason that we cannot continue to create world-wide peace and prosperity! You rejection of this as a possibility has no basis in reality. Most of my life I have lived with plenty. I have experienced little violence, and food has been abundant. If it can be done for millions of people in America, it can be done for everyone on the planet. Your idea that there must be a "God" who intervenes to fix things is like all the failed date predictions. There is no evidence of any such God. What has he done in the last 2000 years? Anything? He let everyone die until we took control for ourselves and developed antibiotics. If we have to take care of all our earthly needs, it is obvious we also have to take care of peace and prosperity.
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