We are All One

[Rose]

We are all part of the same tribe, and need to realize that any organism at war with itself is doomed...

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Excellent message in that video!

[Timmy]

We are all two
or is that just me
and not you?

Maybe this self-individuated-duality is a concept only peculiar to TTiiMMyy who wars with his selfs often.
Who woulda' thunk it?

LLiittllee TTiimmmmyy

[duxrow]

Exception. What about the Tares (planted by the Adversary) as opposed to the One Bread? Any room for other options, you think?

[heb13-13]

We are all two
or is that just me
and not you?

Maybe this self-individuated-duality is a concept only peculiar to TTiiMMyy who wars with his selfs often.
Who woulda' thunk it?

LLiittllee TTiimmmmyy

Hi Rose,

Merry Christmas.

Can we all be ONE? The Bible shows that there have only ever been two choices for us. Let's check this math.

There are only two characters
in this Universe,
not one
and
not three
and these characters
cannot be ONE
as in
UNITY.

Flesh + Spirit = 1?
Good + Evil = 1?
Life + Death = 1?
Love + Hate = 1?
Sin + Righteousness = 1?
Lies + Truth = 1?
Holy + Unholy = 1?
Heaven + Hell = 1?
God + Satan = 1?

Does 1 + 1 really = 1?

The Christian has Christ the Unbeliever has the "prince of the power of the air, the spirit working in the sons of disobedience" (Eph 2:2).

Christians have become 'partakers of the divine nature', the unregenerate are 'bynature children of wrath' (Eph. 2:3).

Notice, the choices that we have to derive your nature from. There is not a 3rd option.

Christians have the 'treasure (Christ) in earthen vessels' (II Cor. 4:7), those without Christ put forth evil things from an evil treasure' (Matt. 12:35).

Fallen mankind is under the authority & dominion of Satan, Christians are converted to the authority/dominion of God in Christ (Acts 26:18).

Non‐Christians are 'in the snare of the devil, held captive to do his will' (II Tim. 2:26), Christians are willing bond‐servants/love‐slaves of Jesus Christ (II Tim. 2:24; Rom. 1:8; Rom. 6:16‐20).

Christians are 'children of God' (Rom. 8:16) and call God, 'Abba, Father' (Rom. 8:15), Jesus told the Pharisees that they were of their father, the devil' (Jn. 8:44).

These are but a few of the either/or contrasts in scripture that indicate that all human beings derive spiritual character & relation from either God or Satan – and there is no third alternative or option of self‐source.

We (humans) all derive our nature or character from either God or Satan. We are not self-generating and cannot invent a third standalone consciousness, nature or character.

We sow to the Spirit or to the flesh. And conversely, we receive from either God (Spirit) or Satan (carnal flesh).
There is not a 3rd object you can sow to and reap from.

Freedom of Choice
To sow to the flesh (carnal man) is to choose the likeness and character of the selfish-nature of Satan (deeds of the flesh).
To sow to the Spirit is to choose the likeness and character of God.

Man either sows to the flesh or sows to the Spirit. You have never seen man sow to anything else.

We are either for Him (Christ) or against Him. Two alternatives, not three or four.

There is good and there is evil. Sorry, not a third choice and good and evil cannot be ONE.

1 + 1 = 2 not 1 or 3 or 4.

Only God has free-will. Humans have freedom of choice and we have been given the freedom of choice to choose who we derive our character from. Yep, that's right God or Satan. Has there ever been a third?

The following from Jim Fowler -
http://www.christinyou.net/pages/pdf...tionsEbook.pdf

GOD acts ek autos
'out of Himself'
to express His character

MAN receives by
deriving from a spiritual source
– ek Theos (out of God)
– ek diabolos (out of the devil)

DERIVATIVE MAN
EVERYTHING about man’s being and function
is derived.

Derived nature
'nature of wrath' -or- 'divine nature'

Derived identity
'sinners' -or- 'saints'

Derived character
'sinfulness' -or- 'righteousness'

Derived image
visible expression of God or Satan

Derived ...
'life' -or- 'death'

Derived immortality
'Immortal God' brought 'life and
immortality to light through the gospel'

God, the three-in-one Divine-being, is independent, contingent, Self-determinative, and Self- generative.
God is the only 'Independent Self' with absolute 'free will,' whereby He Self-determines His own action in accord with His own character, and Self-generates such action ek autos (out of Himself).

A very prosperous and Joyful New Year to all,
Rick

[Timmy]

Hi Rose and Richard,

Oh, youze guys really gotz me thunkin' on dis' one:
all kinds of relative concepts wound up within the warp and weft of space and time.

Can we all be ONE? The Bible shows that there have only ever been two choices for us. Let's check this math.

There are only two characters
in this Universe,
not one
and
not three
and these characters
cannot be ONE
as in
UNITY.

Flesh + Spirit = 1?
Good + Evil = 1?
Life + Death = 1?
Love + Hate = 1?
Sin + Righteousness = 1?
Lies + Truth = 1?
Holy + Unholy = 1?
Heaven + Hell = 1?
God + Satan = 1?

Does 1 + 1 really = 1?

The Christian has Christ the Unbeliever has the "prince of the power of the air, the spirit working in the sons of disobedience" (Eph 2:2).

Christians have become 'partakers of the divine nature', the unregenerate are 'bynature children of wrath' (Eph. 2:3).

Notice, the choices that we have to derive your nature from. There is not a 3rd option.

Christians have the 'treasure (Christ) in earthen vessels' (II Cor. 4:7), those without Christ put forth evil things from an evil treasure' (Matt. 12:35).

Fallen mankind is under the authority & dominion of Satan, Christians are converted to the authority/dominion of God in Christ (Acts 26:18).

Non‐Christians are 'in the snare of the devil, held captive to do his will' (II Tim. 2:26), Christians are willing bond‐servants/love‐slaves of Jesus Christ (II Tim. 2:24; Rom. 1:8; Rom. 6:16‐20).

Christians are 'children of God' (Rom. 8:16) and call God, 'Abba, Father' (Rom. 8:15), Jesus told the Pharisees that they were of their father, the devil' (Jn. 8:44).

These are but a few of the either/or contrasts in scripture that indicate that all human beings derive spiritual character & relation from either God or Satan – and there is no third alternative or option of self‐source.

We (humans) all derive our nature or character from either God or Satan. We are not self-generating and cannot invent a third standalone consciousness, nature or character.

We sow to the Spirit or to the flesh. And conversely, we receive from either God (Spirit) or Satan (carnal flesh).
There is not a 3rd object you can sow to and reap from.

Freedom of Choice
To sow to the flesh (carnal man) is to choose the likeness and character of the selfish-nature of Satan (deeds of the flesh).
To sow to the Spirit is to choose the likeness and character of God.

Man either sows to the flesh or sows to the Spirit. You have never seen man sow to anything else.

We are either for Him (Christ) or against Him. Two alternatives, not three or four.

There is good and there is evil. Sorry, not a third choice and good and evil cannot be ONE.

1 + 1 = 2 not 1 or 3 or 4.

Only God has free-will. Humans have freedom of choice and we have been given the freedom of choice to choose who we derive our character from. Yep, that's right God or Satan. Has there ever been a third?

The following from Jim Fowler -
http://www.christinyou.net/pages/pdf...tionsEbook.pdf

GOD acts ek autos
'out of Himself'
to express His character

MAN receives by
deriving from a spiritual source
– ek Theos (out of God)
– ek diabolos (out of the devil)

DERIVATIVE MAN
EVERYTHING about man’s being and function
is derived.

Derived nature
'nature of wrath' -or- 'divine nature'

Derived identity
'sinners' -or- 'saints'

Derived character
'sinfulness' -or- 'righteousness'

Derived image
visible expression of God or Satan

Derived ...
'life' -or- 'death'

Derived immortality
'Immortal God' brought 'life and
immortality to light through the gospel'

God, the three-in-one Divine-being, is independent, contingent, Self-determinative, and Self- generative.
God is the only 'Independent Self' with absolute 'free will,' whereby He Self-determines His own action in accord with His own character, and Self-generates such action ek autos (out of Himself).

A very prosperous and Joyful New Year to all,
Rick

Hmmm Rick and Duxrow,

Ya'll sed what i should have said.

Let's see if we can stimulate these points to more keyboard interaction through the alternating altercating perspectives here?

Seriously though, we're well inclined to shy far far away from this oneness stuff, even we are godz concept, except in the fact of this power of choice=free will?
Tried it...and if indeed we are all already one there would be no opposition, in fact no motion at all.

Again and again this "I am God" doctrine has never provided much evidence, except of power lent for purposes other than our own. It soon stinks, translating into its reverse form; our exteriorizations and extroversions are un-godly, and to become 'ourselves' we must become unlike them. God 'realizes' not by negation of others nor by seeing others as inferior. He just is immensely incomprehensible and perfect.

Human facts, on the other hand, are mere figments of truisms; therefore all facts are inconclusive. Fictions are devices to explain the indefinables; our whole systematic coherence is so forged. I am incessantly finding out what I am doing, and what it means. I can always read into it something other than I did mean as well as what the doing towards objectification really means; never the meaning of my meaning, or the whole meaning. Then we wonder whether anything has any more meaning than anything else!

How do we know anything? Our own eccentric rhythms are not synchronized to the Cosmos, nor the Maker thereof. So, with a mildewed ear for the brassy cacophony of imaginary menageries dissonant to each other, it all ends drooling over minutiae to discover oneself. Our acceptances become our conclusions. Existence is alogical to any 'logic' we know, so it is irrational to attempt to rationalize, except in cases of our own prejudices which inform our mentation.

Actually rationalization is the nice way of saying a nasty sounding word in the Bible: wickedness.

If all phenomena are a fluxing unabsoluteness and are Absoluteness manifest, then is it surprising that we manufacture our individuality that is neither-either but a weirder autism? Yet none remember having desired existence… but indisputably we have individuality, the only certainty we know. Within the sensorium is a transcriber, or a synthesizing faculty, using synonymous intangibles where association and experience fail: as the capacity of certain sounds to induce colour images, certain arabesque forms may find aesthetic truth.

Amorphous to our own existence, yet knowing we are individuated, our nature to sin blinds our own eyes to the truth beyond facts.

Besides, if i were he
...and he were she
...then we'de be three
he-shes altogether.
(and that's just not right!)

Sincerely,
Twinme
(...and i believe in the twinity... two.)

[kathryn]

Rick...
Christians are 'children of God' (Rom. 8:16) and call God, 'Abba, Father' (Rom. 8:15), Jesus told the Pharisees that they were of their father, the devil' (Jn. 8:44).


Hi Rick...In and through whom, was Jesus addressing as "satan", when Peter didn't agree with the necessity of Jesus going to the cross... A child of God, or a child of the devil?

[kathryn]

Rick..
1 + 1 = 2 not 1 or 3 or 4.


Rick....how would you fit the description of the "cutting of the covenant" into this understanding? It was ONE animal, cut in half with the "smoking furnace and burning torch" passed through the pieces. 1/2 + 1/2= 1. (Genesis 15)

[Charisma]

Wow, Timmy (Ttiimmmmyy),

I'm stuck between, 'What was that about?' and, 'I think I did understand some of it'; and, I look forward to 'more keyboard interaction through the alternating altercating perspectives here', you have stimulated.


Hi Rose,

We are all part of the same tribe, and need to realize that any organism at war with itself is doomed...

Yeah! God has the same idea. He put an offer on the table which gets rid of the bad stuff that comes out of the hearts of people in wicked words and actions, and allows their hearts to be transformed. Isn't that brilliant? That would get rid of ALL the warring - if only everyone would agree with Him.

[kathryn]

Exception. What about the Tares (planted by the Adversary) as opposed to the One Bread? Any room for other options, you think?

Hi Dux! The "tares" are the "leaven" in the ONE bread. The tares are planted in the field ...the leaven is mixed in the loaf....both are applied to "heat" Both are left until they "rise"...the seed grows UP and forms a "head"....the loaf rises with the action of the leaven. Both describe a process used by God, to perfect us. When the Baptism of Fire is over, the tares are burnt...the action of the leaven has been stopped.