I have no problem with the things you wrote in full caps. That's why I've never questioned you about such things. The things that I have problems with are the things that I have been asking you about. I think we would make more progress if we talked about them. That's what I've been trying to do:-) But..not because I have to take ages to explain it...it's simple...it's because things get interrupted , either because of your comments or your time. For instance...rather than ask me why I used the Dove in the type of the "bird", you used it as an excuse to say it was assumption...etc. This is what takes the time.
I saw what you saw in that example because the required elements were there. I didn't need you to explain anything except to state how you view related to what was written. Very simple and clear. The things that I ask about are not so clear. That's why I ask about them. And when I ask I usually don't get answers that I can believe or undersand. And when I ask more questions for clarity, you seem to get frustrated with me. But you have never asked me a clear question. How about....if you ask me one simple question that is on your mind...and I will give you a simple answer. (and lets stick to scripture and creation...no opinions on how we are feeling about it...until it is either satisfactorily proved, or satisfactorily disproved (using the biblical criteria of determining truth. Sound ok to you?
I have made no "assumption" that you are "speaking through some la la, right brained approach with little logic... total subjectivity." First, I am totally into the "right brain" way of thinking (just ask Rose0 and so that would never be a problem. When I say that you methods appear subjective to me, I mean just that. It is NOT an "assumption." It is my attempt to express to you how your post seem to me. And why do they seem that way to me? Because when I ask for explanations I usually get answers that seem subjective and not supported from the Scripture.No..that's not true. I have given you countless witnesses through all 3 stages of redemption...when I've been given the chance to speak without the comments. I don't mind if you say you are having problems with it...but use scripture to show me where you see it conflicting with your understanding. And you assertiont that I didn't answer is rather frustrating because I went to great lengths to answer you.No. Richard...you have not gone to great lengths....far from it. And what happened when I answered? You got more and more frustratedI was frustrated, because the whole post was opinion, feelings and assumptions. Any other posts...have been primarily the same. until I concluded you didn't really want me to tell you how I see things, so I quit. But that was after trying to discuss your theories at great length. Have you forgotten? I wrote two huge posts to you where I explained how I see things, post #191 and #195 in the Matt 17:28 thead, and then you responded with what appeared to me to be a LOT of frustration, and ended by saying "well..on that note...lets agree to disagree."I'll go back and look at that...but I'm sure it isn't as you have described. I never respond that way, with someone who is responding with the same degree of scholarship as I have put into it So that's what I chose to do. And now you tell me I haven't resonded to you? It seems to me that every time I "respond" to you with sincere honesty that I don't follow your logic, you just get frustrated with me and make comments about how I'm stuck in my left brain. That's not the way to communicate. Ask anyone on this forum if they follow your logic. Rick already tried to explain to you that there's a lot he doesn't fallow either. And it doesn't make sense to Rose either. So I really think you need to stop, take a breath, and ask yourself if you are really trying to find common ground with others. It doesn't feel like that to me. I tried to explain that you need to start with agreement and move on from their, but you didn't understand what I said and so responded by saying that you have been doing that for two years. Well I hate to break the news to you, but you have been doing NOTHING like what I suggested. You constantly make all sorts of connections that are not "obvious" in any way at all, and you don't understand what it means to find a "common foundation of agreement." So let me explain it again. Here is what you need to do if you want anyone to understand you. You need to begin by saying something, and if the person agrees, then great! Move to the next point. If there person asks question - like I alway do - you need to try to answer those questions so we can come to agreement. If you just get frustrated with me and tell me that I lost in my "left brain" or the "dead Logos" or whatever, no progress will be made. You didn't answer my question about taking this into the realm of mathematics...and then looking at my point of view . I'll go back and look at that post now.
So heres the deal. I will continue to work with you on this if that is your desire. But if you don't want to find a common foundation of agreement, I'll probably ignore most of your posts. I'm sorry, I don't want to do that, but it seems that you find my questions to difficult or frustrating to answer and I don't have any desire to add to the sum total of frustration in the universe.
All the very best to you, my friend,