1. ## Deuteronomy 29:29

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.

Hi Richard,

You said you hadn't been able to do anything much of interest with this verse, so, I've had a rudimentary root around the BW for ideas.

The way 29:29 strikes me (apart from its symmetry) is as 58 = 10 x 5 + 8

I found quite a few interesting things in the links thrown up between the basic books involved, and their correlation with Isaiah, but I feel such a novice, I wonder if you would be kind enough to lay out the words and chapters which legitimately, according to your usual method of analysing a number, connect to 58?

Many thanks.

(I do have some ideas to post, but have not yet taken time to form a composite statement.)

2. Originally Posted by Charisma
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.

Hi Richard,

You said you hadn't been able to do anything much of interest with this verse, so, I've had a rudimentary root around the BW for ideas.

The way 29:29 strikes me (apart from its symmetry) is as 58 = 10 x 5 + 8

I found quite a few interesting things in the links thrown up between the basic books involved, and their correlation with Isaiah, but I feel such a novice, I wonder if you would be kind enough to lay out the words and chapters which legitimately, according to your usual method of analysing a number, connect to 58?
Charisma....this is actually really cool that you "saw" it this way! All of this is connected to the discussions that have been going on lately -- like Dumbo thread, Coin in mouth of fish thread, etc., etc... the 10, 5, 8 all related.... But anyway, on BW gematria reference, 58 is:

58 + Grace + Rest (Noah) + In His Blood + The Glory of the Lord + Because they trust in him (Ord) + Brightness + The Garden + The Stone

To get there, here's the link, then scroll down and you can find the various numbers:

http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Identities.asp

here's the link on "Grace" (total 58) ...also ALL related to that "555" MS ;-)

http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_58.asp

GOOD FIND!!!!!!!

3. ## Deuteronomy 29:29

Hi debz,

But.... I don't understand why you began with 58 + (etc). Surely the 58 ought to be the total whichever way we slice it?

Or, were you using the + sign instead of saying 'plus' meaning not 'add', but 'as well as' (all included in the total)?

See what I mean by 'novice'?

There are some really obvious things staring at me from what you've written, but I would like still more evidence from those who know more than I.

4. Originally Posted by Charisma
Hi debz,

But.... I don't understand why you began with 58 + (etc). Surely the 58 ought to be the total whichever way we slice it?

Or, were you using the + sign instead of saying 'plus' meaning not 'add', but 'as well as' (all included in the total)?

See what I mean by 'novice'?

There are some really obvious things staring at me from what you've written, but I would like still more evidence from those who know more than I.
LOL...I just copied and pasted from Richards database, and that's how it ended up here...it's not really meant to be added together...if you click on the link, you'll see what I mean... It's just saying that all those phrases and words sum to 58 (individually)....so "as well as" as you said...

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Originally Posted by Charisma
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.

Hi Richard,

You said you hadn't been able to do anything much of interest with this verse, so, I've had a rudimentary root around the BW for ideas.

The way 29:29 strikes me (apart from its symmetry) is as 58 = 10 x 5 + 8

I found quite a few interesting things in the links thrown up between the basic books involved, and their correlation with Isaiah, but I feel such a novice, I wonder if you would be kind enough to lay out the words and chapters which legitimately, according to your usual method of analysing a number, connect to 58?

Many thanks.

(I do have some ideas to post, but have not yet taken time to form a composite statement.)
Hi Charisma...Deuteronomy is also on spoke 5 of the Bible Wheel...5 being the number of Grace. (as well as 58)

I have discovered, in my study of typology, that absolutely NOTHING is wasted in scripture, regardless of how it was translated; not a verse number, not the numerical weight of the verse itself...or its placement as the 5th book in the 66 books of the bible. (including the Bible Wheel's construction, in as far as I've studied the wheel )You will find the theme of grace and the Law, including all themes relating to it on the other two books on spoke 5.

ANY time you see a verse that is divided with two identical numbers, such as 29:29...it is describing some aspect of the TWO works of Christ...the death work of Jesus on the Cross, and the living work of Christ in His corporate Son. All things in Creation , beginning with the division of the light from the darkness, must be divided before it (creation-matter) can be consummated with Spirit.

The whole theme of God's Covenant that He makes with His Creation, is given in the type of the "cutting of the covenant", where He takes ONE animal, cuts it in half...and passes the torch or light between the two halves of the ONE. This theme is throughout scripture, the crossing of the Jordan is another type that has many layers of meaning. There are TWO sides of the Jordan. When the Bride becomes the "living sacrifice", taking up her Cross to follow the Bridegroom, she forms the horizontal post of the Cross in the CROSSing. (the TWO become ONE "Cross"..or one sacrifice that is divided in two parts)

The number 29 is the number of departure. The primary type of the two works of Christ, is found in the Law of Moses, with the 2 goats for the Atonement sacrifice of sin...and the two birds, in the sacrifice for the cleansing of leprosy..a type of our mortality. The TWO are ONE who must be separated...or divided. One dies...the other is released "living" into the desert/field, after being dipped (baptised) in the blood of the first one who is put to death. This expresses the "departure" of the Bridegroom to Heaven (or a far country)...or the Ark..to the MIDST of the Jordan...until the Living work (the refining of the Bride who has been "covered in His blood")...has been completed and "she" has reached the other side of the Jordan. (or come up out of the wilderness/dry bed of the Jordan). Of course the theme of departure is also expressed in many other ways throughout scripture. I'm just using this one to explain the double use of the 29:29. They become ONE...(fully consummated)...by Grace, expressed in their "addition" or joining as One
29+29=58 Grace. Their "sum" , 58, which is numerical weight of Grace (gematria), also expresses the DOUBLE witness of their "nature" as One...as 29/29. Any number, which can be divided evenly by two, will express this concept, and also the stage of their process through the 1st, 2nd and 3rd day of redemption.

This theme is hidden (secret) in the revelation of Christ in the Law, where the plummet is laid in the "small beginning". Hope this 'splains Deb's enthusiastic response:-) As she mentioned, we've been discussing this for a few weeks now, on numerous threads...so it was pretty exciting that you found it:-) Looking forward to you sharing your other ideas on this verse and the numbers. Blessings, Sis !
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6. Hi Charisma, Deb and Kathryn,

It would be nice to all sit in a room together and discuss these things. It is all one thing.
We have broken it up into pieces and they are all related in amazing ways.
Great synopsis, Kathryn.
And good verse Charisma.
I wondered as I was reading if that number related to the stones becoming one stone. Petros and Petra.
So I looked it up. It did.

Eben (stone) is also in the list of 58.

Ge 28:10 And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.
Ge 28:11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
Ge 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
Ge 28:18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it.

Why does Jacob put stones (plural) for his pillow and then, when he awakens from his dream/vision he takes that very same Stone (this time singular.) that he had used for his pillow and sets it up and pours oil on it?
We are the stones that have been broken from the Rock which is Jesus. The stones are also the revelations that lead us to this realization which is coming back to become one with the original Rock.

De 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Mt 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, (Petros= little rocks broken off of a large rock) and upon this rock (Petra= The large Rock) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
It is revelation of the "Secret Things" upon which the Rock of His church is built.
But it is also US. We are the little stones who have been broken off of the original Rock.

The marriage of the Lamb is the coming together of the little rocks with the One Rock.
We are already one with him but only see it so far as we realize those secret things.
The revealing of those things is the marriage supper. It is a feast we are already partaking of.
We just do not yet see it. Or do we?

Bob
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7. Some other very good words that add to 58 are,...

Come
Garden
Son
Live
Bow
Join
Love
Heart
Magnify
Beloved
Fruit

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Originally Posted by Bob May
Hi Charisma, Deb and Kathryn,

It would be nice to all sit in a room together and discuss these things.It SURELY would Bob! It is all one thing.
We have broken it up into pieces and they are all related in amazing ways.
Great synopsis, Kathryn.
And good verse Charisma.
I wondered as I was reading if that number related to the stones becoming one stone. Petros and Petra.
So I looked it up. It did.

Eben (stone) is also in the list of 58.

Ge 28:10 And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.
Ge 28:11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
Ge 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
Ge 28:18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. That is an amazing find Bob...and one I have never followed fully to its logical conclusion. That same stone...the Coronation Stone that was removed from Scotland, was returned (after its departure:-) to Edinburg EDEN burg...a few years ago. It's quite the story, if you've never followed it! Many of Joseph's household wandered across Europe, from their homeland, settling in the Great Britain. (who flys the Union Jack..or Unity of Jacob)

Why does Jacob put stones (plural) for his pillow and then, when he awakens from his dream/vision he takes that very same Stone (this time singular.) that he had used for his pillow and sets it up and pours oil on it?
We are the stones that have been broken from the Rock which is Jesus. The stones are also the revelations that lead us to this realization which is coming back to become one with the original Rock.

De 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Mt 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, (Petros= little rocks broken off of a large rock) and upon this rock (Petra= The large Rock) I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
It is revelation of the "Secret Things" upon which the Rock of His church is built.
But it is also US. We are the little stones who have been broken off of the original Rock.

The marriage of the Lamb is the coming together of the little rocks with the One Rock.
We are already one with him but only see it so far as we realize those secret things.
The revealing of those things is the marriage supper. It is a feast we are already partaking of.
We just do not yet see it. Or do we?Seems to becoming clearer and clearer as we pass that "flame" of Joseph back and forth to one another.! Thanks for finally concluding that one for me! I knew the stone moving back was prophetic, as Stephen Jone's has written about it....and had an amazing "COINicidence" regarding it....but the dots hadn't made that last connection in me wee-moon-brain

Bob

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## DOLLY!

hA! Had another song go through my mind just now...Remember Dolly, the CLONED sheep , taken from one cell of BREAST tissue (from the BIG BAAA Mother), conceived on the 277th try...in EDENburg, Scotland? (silicon is the 14th on the element table...passover. And...comprises 27.7 percent of the Earth. GLASS (as in the one we are looking through) is made of it. (and then thar's Dolly PARTon's magnificent silicone "knockers" (pun fully intended! )

Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllll...HELLO DOLLY....IT'S SO NICE TO HAVE YOU BACK (as in the coronation stone) WHERE YOU BELONG! oh whew...give me air! Here comes the SOS again! MERCY!
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## Little Red

Speaking of dollies....there were a few things found completely intact in the ASHES of the TWIN Towers. One of them was a little Raggedy Anne Doll called "LITTLE RED", who was the mascot for the Duchess of York's charity for children.

Little Red (as in the Red Heifer...or little Adam, Paul, little rock) fell out the 101 window of the North Tower, when it came down. She was found, perfectly intact in the Ashes. (I will give you beauty for Ashes)
Now...that 101 tells us a lot about this whole process which begins in the NORTH (Heaven) . It is the number of "command" (as in going forth). When we "land in the Ashes"...Heaven is moved into the "midst" of the TWIN pillars. (as Celine moved into the 4 tenors)

Cana da...is NORTH of the U.S (as in "US"...ALL of us...You is me and I is you) It is to the North of U.S. All of our ensigns or banners speak of this process of redemption.

The Canadian Flag has a red maple leaf between TWO TWIN RED pillars. The leaf is from the sugar maple which grows in BOTH countries....The sugar maple must be pierced in its side to bring forth the sap or maple syrup. It is also a picture of our "Little Red" falling out the 1 * 1 window, into the ashes. (hell's kitchen, in Manhatten, where the towers came down)

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