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    Quote Originally Posted by kathryn;39098

    Hi Bob...I've been experiencing something very similar. I believe we are beginning that integration of Spirit and Matter. (as the double 137/137 was pointing to earlier in the "lifting up of the two heads). That "flipping" , I believe, is described in that verse: [I
    "we will be like Him, when we see Him as He is. "[/I] As I was reading your account of this, I realized that part of seeing Him as He is, is ALSO seeing through His eyes...as He is seeing US as we are...HIM!; This would occur in full integration. It's an amazing concept! It's the merging of the TWO who is ONE eye, you were speaking of!

    Sol 4:9 Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.
    (He is "seeing" her one eye as merged with His...which ravishes His heart. Have a look at the meaning of "ravished"..and note, the gematria is "34"...the room 340 of death and birth (where I was born and my father died/verse 3:4 of the SOS..and on his 34034 day on earth. )

    http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Data...&cnum=4&vnum=9

    As the consummation hasn't completed yet, it still feels as though we are still "two" and hence the "flip". (and this is, I believe the beginning of the "twisting" process the "0" makes (or the head/mind), as it becomes the "8". As this increases, it will integrate fully. I've been noticing an increased sense of Oneness as He is speaking through each of us in our posts everyday. It's as though our minds have merged! (and I just remembered those animals, etc. you were making with the balloons! You were twisting them to form them, yes? )
    Hi Kathryn,
    I looked up the 34 in the database and this one jumped out at me.
    The word power is 34 in the original because the spelling is Vav, Kaph, Cheth.
    Koach.

    Jos 17:17 And Joshua spake unto the house of Joseph, even to Ephraim and to Manasseh, saying, Thou art a great people, and hast great power: thou shalt not have one lot only:
    Jos 17:18 But the mountain shall be thine; for it is a wood, and thou shalt cut it down: and the outgoings of it shall be thine: for thou shalt drive out the Canaanites, though they have iron chariots, and though they be strong.

    This "power' that Joshua attributes to Joseph, Manassah and Ephraim is tied to the sex energy. It can be used to bring us closer to God or lower than low. It can feed our base instincts or our higher aspirations.
    Weird thinking? Yeah it seemed weird to Onan who refused to raise up seed to his brother.
    Check out this article on the "Ourobouros."
    http://www.morbidoutlook.com/art/art...uroborous.html

    The figure 8 is an interesting concept. It implies a reversal of polarity or flow. The snake eating it's own tail implies sublimation of the seed. The snake being a symbol of the male organ but also of the spinal collumn itself into which all of the chakras are connected.

    The "chain on the neck" is shown in the Devil card:





    The differences between the Devil card and the Lovers besides their obvious placement on the Tree, is that the position of the fire is changed.
    In the Devil card it is at the end of the man's tail/tailbone.
    In the Lovers card it lights the entire tree behind the man and the Angel above the pair of lovers, the one in the clouds, is made of fire.

    This is the polarity change.
    Also note that the fire/fruit on the tree are twelve. This is the fruit of the Tree of Life.

    Re 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

    The "Ravished heart"



    St Theresa's experience:
    "I saw in his hand a long spear of gold, and at the iron's point there seemed to be a little fire. He appeared to me to be thrusting it at times into my heart, and to pierce my very entrails; when he drew it out, he seemed to draw them out also, and to leave me all on fire with a great love of God. The pain was so great, that it made me moan; and yet so surpassing was the sweetness of this excessive pain, that I could not wish to be rid of it. The soul is satisfied now with nothing less than God. The pain is not bodily, but spiritual; though the body has its share in it. It is a caressing of love so sweet which now takes place between the soul and God, that I pray God of His goodness to make him experience it who may think that I am lying."

    Bob
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    Here is another one.
    This is amazing.

    Ex 26:24 And they shall be coupled together beneath, and they shall be coupled together above the head of it unto one ring: thus shall it be for them both; they shall be for the two corners.

    The word "together" is 34.
    Coupled together beneath and "above the head."
    This is the Point meditation!!! The "Thousand Petaled Lotus."

    Hovering above the "Place of the Skull."

    Ga 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    Bob
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    Here is another one,

    Da 2:22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

    In the original the word is Gimel, Lamed, Aleph,...He revealeth = 34.

    Bob
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    The Serpent eats its tail

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob May View Post
    Hi Kathryn,Good morning Bob, You're brought many themes together as an integrated circuit , in this post!
    I looked up the 34 in the database and this one jumped out at me.
    The word power is 34 in the original because the spelling is Vav, Kaph, Cheth. The order of the gematria works the same way as our names. The first describes phase 1 of redemption. The 2nd or middle, what is being highlighted in the "midst" or realm of Spirit...the 3rd describes something about the fulfillment in the 3rd day, the consummation on the 8th day.

    The Vav of course, is the nail..the conjunction that connects the "Two who are One". The "kaph" is the hollowed hand or altar (heart) and the hollowed pipe to the bowl of oil.
    The Chet, which is the fence or wall...is first the dividing wall between the Two. (the wall of Jericho through which Rahab escapes via the scarlet thread, with ALL of her household.)
    When the Two are -re-mem-ber-ed in AT-ONE-MENT, they become the Wall of Fire around the New Jerusalem. (or the "integrated circuit" completed.)

    The whole process of redemption can be witnessed in creation as an electric circuit...which begins and ends at the "source of power". As I've mentioned on a few threads, the "power" is the double witness...the consummation of the "two" into ONE eye.
    It is true Unity...and the answer of Jesus prayer for us before He went to the Cross...."Father, let them be one and you and I are One..Me in You, you in me...".
    The double witness has completed the circuit and returned to the source of power....FULL agreement of the Character and purposes of God through His Word Made Flesh. FULL agreement or double witness to the GOODNESS, PASSION AND EXTRAVAGANCE OF THE NATURE AND IMAGE OF GOD AND HIS PURPOSES (GOSPEL OF GOOD NEWS) TOWARDS ALL OF HIS CREATION.
    When this double witness has consummated (in the ravishing:-)...the Power can be released through the circuit, restoring Adam/Eve's dominion and birthright on earth (and over the fowls of the air/mindsets, and the creatures of the sea (153 sons of God/levithian).

    Koach.

    Jos 17:17 And Joshua spake unto the house of Joseph, even to Ephraim and to Manasseh, saying, Thou art a great people, and hast great power: thou shalt not have one lot only:
    Jos 17:18 But the mountain shall be thine; for it is a wood, and thou shalt cut it down: and the outgoings of it shall be thine: for thou shalt drive out the Canaanites, though they have iron chariots, and though they be strong. This theme of iron is seen in the story of Elisha...when the Axe HEAD of iron, floats back UP from the water, when Elisha tosses in the "stick" (the stick (wooden cross) that has become ONE...Judah/Eprhaim...or Sceptre and Shiloh..Head and Body of the Christ)
    It is also a picture of the 153 fish (Sons of God) pulled from the water by the hook (or "stick") of righteousness...the Tzaddi.
    It is the rising UP of the True Head, when the carnal "head" of tares has been removed.

    The "chariot" of the carnal mind is made of iron...Solomon's Chariot (the consummated heart/virgin subconcious...the full integration of the spirit, soul and body) is "inlaid with Gold" and it's tapestries lovingly WOVEN by the daughters of Jerusalem. We see a beautiful picture of the consummation of the heart/mind..as the Mind of the Christ (plural) as the Beloved and Lover have been re-mem-bered coming UP from the wilderness of the refining(as Jesus said to RE-MEM-BER Him (the elements as The Word made Flesh in the wine(blood) and flesh(bread). We are "sick and dying" until we can discern...with ONE eye of Unity, the "Body of Christ" in ALL Mankind):

    Who is this coming up from the desert
    like a column of smoke (the smoking torch passed through the ONE animal cut in half)
    perfumed with myrrh and incense
    made from all the spices of the merchant
    Look! It is Solomon's carriage
    escorted by 60 warriors
    the noblest of Israel
    all of them wearing a sword (the TWO edged sword of the Holy Spirit...the TWINNED TEETH of the Beloved, just up from the "Washing" (not ONE stands alone)

    all experienced in battle
    each with his sword by his side
    prepared for the terrors of the night
    King Solomon made for himself the carriage
    he made it of wood from Lebanon
    Its posts he made of silver
    its base of gold
    It's seat was upholstered with purple
    its interior lovingly inlaid
    by the daughters of Jerusalem


    This "power' that Joshua attributes to Joseph, Manassah and Ephraim is tied to the sex energy. It can be used to bring us closer to God or lower than low. It can feed our base instincts or our higher aspirations.Yes..this is why satan has tried so hard to pervert it. Until we see the Passionate nature of the Beloved/Lover, we can't truly KNOW Him. (consummate with Him) We can't be like Him, until we SEE Him as He is)
    Weird thinking? Yeah it seemed weird to Onan who refused to raise up seed to his brother.
    Check out this article on the "Ourobouros."
    http://www.morbidoutlook.com/art/art...uroborous.html

    The figure 8 is an interesting concept. It implies a reversal of polarity or flow. The snake eating it's own tail implies sublimation of the seed. The snake being a symbol of the male organ but also of the spinal collumn itself into which all of the chakras are connected. Rick asked me what became of satan , when the consummation occurs. The Word made Flesh in nature has many examples of this...but the two I was given demonstrate the formation of the gates of Pearl of the NJ...as well as the color of amber around the Throne. He is the evil, DIVIDED spirit that God sent Saul...that is made "desolate" when its purpose has been accomplished.

    We see it(satan) in the irritant that forms the pearl in the oyster....and the fly or insect that has been petrified in the midst of amber. ( hardened tree sap). When the curse is lifted from the Serpent..(wisdom)..., it eats its tail, forming the Wall (Chet..8) of Fire around the Mother/Bride. It is a DOUBLE "wall...when the "8" is "folded" or laid one over the other. (As Elisha laid "hand(kaf) to hand" eye to eye, mouth to mouth, on the son, raising him from the dead, by the power of the double witness. (True Unity in One) It is also the TWO gold bracelets, given to Rebekah at her betrothal


    We see this concept in the story of Samson. He takes the TAILS of the foxes (vain (futile/impotent) imaginations that spoil the "vineyard"), ties them together and sets them on fire. :

    Jdg 15:4 And Samson went and caught three hundred foxes, and took firebrands, and TURNED (repentance..TURN(change the mind) tail to tail, and put a firebrand in the midst between TWO tails. 300 is the numerical weight of the Holy Spirit : http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/gr_300.asp


    The "chain on the neck" is shown in the Devil card:Do you remember when the 21/22 pieces of Comet Shoemaker Levy broke up on 7/16/94? The pieces were described as a string of pearls. It was the gravitational field of Jupiter which drew or "dragged" them into itself. The process took 7 days.





    The differences between the Devil card and the Lovers besides their obvious placement on the Tree, is that the position of the fire is changed.yes!:-)
    In the Devil card it is at the end of the man's tail/tailbone.
    In the Lovers card it lights the entire tree behind the man and the Angel above the pair of lovers, the one in the clouds, is made of fire.

    This is the polarity change.yes, exactly! The witness to this in Creation, is the Sun/Son....with the molten , magnetic core. The sea horse...the "white horse(s)" in Rev. 19...is a type of the Hippocampus gland in the brain. It is the MALE sea horse who becomes pregnant. (reversal of polarity). The Sea Horse is also called the PIPE fish...(as the hollow pipes of the candlestick) and the bag Pipes (of skin)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seahorse

    The New Jerusalem "Mother" marries...or consummates with her sons. This is speaking of the male spirit..circumcised heart and female/soul/virgin subconcious...in both male and female. Like the Sun...the source of power is within each of us with our "molten core/heart" continuously creating its own "source of power" , when male/female fully integrates in the circuit at the translation or "twist" that occurs in the "midst" of the circuit...the Galilee. Like the Sun and the Sea Horse...we are continually reproducing or co-creating in the restoration of our Birthright (blessing of Joseph)..."be fruitful and multiply" IN the Garden.


    Also note that the fire/fruit on the tree are twelve. This is the fruit of the Tree of Life.yes..the number of divine Government...when Dominion is restored..."the Leaves for the Healing of the Nations." It is the 12 stones taken from the midst of the Jordan and carried out on the shoulders of the 12, one from every tribe. In the 3rd Day...it is expressed in the multiple of 12...144,000. It is the twins or paired male/female (as the animals on the ark) 72,000 and 72,000. There are two descriptions of the 144,000...one as the Choir, one as the warriors.

    Re 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

    The "Ravished heart"



    St Theresa's experience:
    "I saw in his hand a long spear of gold, and at the iron's point there seemed to be a little fire. Joseph's flameHe appeared to me to be thrusting it at times into my heart, and to pierce my very entrails; when he drew it out, he seemed to draw them out also, and to leave me all on fire with a great love of God. The pain was so great, that it made me moan; and yet so surpassing was the sweetness of this excessive pain, that I could not wish to be rid of it. The soul is satisfied now with nothing less than God. The pain is not bodily, but spiritual; though the body has its share in it. It is a caressing of love so sweet which now takes place between the soul and God, that I pray God of His goodness to make him experience it who may think that I am lying."She was being "firmly Laid" as the foundation or "base of Gold" in Solomon's Chariot. as the Headstone and Capstone have come into AT-ONE-MENT

    Bob
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    Hi Kathryn,
    Great stuff.
    Kind of gives a whole new meaning to this Hymn we used to sing at my old church.


    1.Just as I am, without one plea,
    But that Thy blood was shed for me,
    And that Thou bid'st me come to Thee,
    O Lamb of God, I come! I come!

    2.Just as I am, and waiting not
    To rid my soul of one dark blot;
    To Thee whose blood can cleanse each spot,
    O Lamb of God, I come, I come!

    3.Just as I am, though tossed about
    With many a conflict, many a doubt;
    Fightings within, and fears without,
    O Lamb of God, I come, I come!

    4.Just as I am, poor, wretched, blind;
    Sight, riches, healing of the mind;
    Yes, all I need, in Thee to find,
    O Lamb of God, I come, I come!

    5.Just as I am, Thou wilt receive,
    Wilt welcome, pardon, cleanse, relieve;
    Because Thy promise I believe,
    O Lamb of God, I come, I come!

    6.Just as I am, Thy love unknown
    Has broken every barrier down;
    Now, to be Thine, yea, Thine alone,
    O Lamb of God, I come, I come!

    It also sheds light on David, a man after God's own heart. The heart center which is the cross over of the 8.
    He had a little problem controlling (Kaph) which way the energy was going.

    I enjoyed your look at taking the three letters one at a time. It is like looking at a word as a sentence or short story. This principle leads to that principle leads to the next.
    Very good stuff.
    Also your completed circuit, back to the source.
    My teacher was adamant about the fact that the Kundalini (baptism of Fire) was not something just coiled up at the bottom of the spine, as it seems to be taught by most adherents.
    The power comes down from above, (Kether. The Crown) then turns, then rises. A complete circuit!!!

    That is also in the Mystical Qabbalah book that I recommended to you.

    Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob May View Post
    Hi Richard,
    Yes, it is an almost magical device. Especially when you begin to question it and apply it to how amazingly we were created. Where does the third view come from? Something inside of us creates it.
    That something takes two images, ..splits the difference,...adds a whole other dimension to it (Depth or 3-D)
    And then it spits it out to us as "perception." A perception that we take for granted, not giving it any thought whatsoever.
    And, maybe the most amazing thing is, is that we don't!

    Bob
    Hi Bob,

    I am reading a book called The Whole-Brain Path to Peace by James Olsen, when I came across this paragraph that almost exactly says what you are speaking of.
    Most of us are under the impression that we have one perspective (at any given time), a perspective that varies depending on where we are positioned. The fact is, we have three simultaneous perspectives. They include two fundamental perspectives-the left brain's dualistic perspective, which zooms in on details, and the right brain's holistic, outward-looking big picture perspective--as well as a third perspective that is an integration of the two, a perspective that is our personal and cultural creation, a perspective that reflects the mental artistry with which we combine our two fundamental perspectives. And keep in mind that each of the three perspectives takes in the mental and spiritual as well as physical realms.

    All the best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose View Post
    Hi Bob,

    I am reading a book called The Whole-Brain Path to Peace by James Olsen, when I came across this paragraph that almost exactly says what you are speaking of.
    Most of us are under the impression that we have one perspective (at any given time), a perspective that varies depending on where we are positioned. The fact is, we have three simultaneous perspectives. They include two fundamental perspectives-the left brain's dualistic perspective, which zooms in on details, and the right brain's holistic, outward-looking big picture perspective--as well as a third perspective that is an integration of the two, a perspective that is our personal and cultural creation, a perspective that reflects the mental artistry with which we combine our two fundamental perspectives. And keep in mind that each of the three perspectives takes in the mental and spiritual as well as physical realms.
    All the best,
    Rose
    Hi Rose,
    Sounds a lot like the Qabalah. The tree of life can be applied to our body soul and Spirit.
    There are 4 worlds and a tree in each world.

    On each tree there are three pillars and the right left brain mentalities are manifestations of those pillars.
    Right brain people are very often left handed and artistic which I am.
    Nothing special in that other than there are less of us. When I was a kid many adults tried to stop you from being left handed. But right and left brain people can be complementary rather than opposed on a given issue or problem or project.

    It is the center that is the trick. That is my point in using the stereo viewer as an analogy.
    But then it is not really an analogy at all. It is merely an example of how things work.
    Same principles working throughout all four worlds.
    It sounds like a good book.
    We all should try and approach that middle path/whole brain. I've tried to reach across and develope more of the left brain aspects into my thinking, but with limited success. I always snap back to my original starting point. I like being the way I am, except for the bad stuff, of course. We should alway keep improving.
    I am what I am. And I try rather to shoot for the middle from where I am.

    The whole brain or middle pillar or however you would like to look at it is a quantum leap and it is a gift rather than an attainment in my way of thinking. It is equally accessable to either personality type.

    Thanks for the tip I'll keep that book in mind,
    Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob May View Post
    Hi Rose,
    Sounds a lot like the Qabalah. The tree of life can be applied to our body soul and Spirit.
    There are 4 worlds and a tree in each world.

    On each tree there are three pillars and the right left brain mentalities are manifestations of those pillars.
    Right brain people are very often left handed and artistic which I am.
    Nothing special in that other than there are less of us. When I was a kid many adults tried to stop you from being left handed. But right and left brain people can be complementary rather than opposed on a given issue or problem or project.

    It is the center that is the trick. That is my point in using the stereo viewer as an analogy.
    But then it is not really an analogy at all. It is merely an example of how things work.
    Same principles working throughout all four worlds.
    It sounds like a good book.
    We all should try and approach that middle path/whole brain. I've tried to reach across and develope more of the left brain aspects into my thinking, but with limited success. I always snap back to my original starting point. I like being the way I am, except for the bad stuff, of course. We should alway keep improving.
    I am what I am. And I try rather to shoot for the middle from where I am.

    The whole brain or middle pillar or however you would like to look at it is a quantum leap and it is a gift rather than an attainment in my way of thinking. It is equally accessable to either personality type.

    Thanks for the tip I'll keep that book in mind,
    Bob
    Hi All, Bob...I am the same way...and as you say, it is finding the middle ground (or pillar), where the integration occurs. This is the whole concept of the "midst"...in typology; the midst of the Jordan where the ark rests and where we return to, to pick up the "12 stones", the midst of the candlesticks etc. John's revelation of Jesus Christ on Patmos (my dying) BEGINS when he sees Christ in the midst of the candlesticks. (or the heart/core of the Bride/Body)

    Our midst is where our imagination resides, which must be cleansed . As we receive revelation or rhema, it witnesses to our subconcious mind and the double witness of the two (heart/mind/Spirit) brings integration to the imagination. It's a long process that speeds up as we gain in understanding. It's like a plug in a drainpipe ; after awhile, the force and amount of the water, which has been slowly eroding away the clog, becomes greater and greater...until our imagination becomes fully intergrated. (the light has moved through the "pieces":-)

    It is the Word (rhema) as the double edged sword, that separates the realm of division in the soul, from the realm of Spirit (lower waters from upper waters), in order that full integration of the two can occur.


    Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    We become the hands and feet of God, when the midst or marrow is producing Life and the joints can move in unison with the Life. Bending the knee is simply coming into full agreement with our "marrow". The cubit is measured from the elbow to the hand...etc.
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    Two Tails

    Speaking of those TWO tails of the foxes, back in post 14....Have a look on the latest on our Comet LoveJoy:

    http://spaceweather.com/

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    Hi Bob, Kathryn, and all...

    Just adding another witness to the theme... Bob pointed out that 34 is power and "he revealeth" ... In the N.T. power (dunamis) almost always adds to "555" ...and dunameos adds to 1500 (another multiple of 15). "He revealeth" also related to the 555 message because "secrets revealed"/having revelatory sight all part of it.

    Still tying all these themes together that we're looking at... "perfection," "consummation," etc.

    Deb
    He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. Eph 1:9-10

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