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[lenvande]

Richard and Bob,

I find the gymnastics you do with gematria to be inspiring. The insights you’ve both had regarding the 12 X 44 = 528 equation are truly incredible. Though my own skills with gematria are still developing, I believe I’m seeing some other synchronicities and would like to introduce them into the conversation.

First, all the double numbers in the chain of artistic influence from Colonna to Dali taken together, plus the 11 in the year in which it is all being discovered, total to 220: 99 + 66 + 44 + 11 = 220.

Written in Hebrew (220 = RK), you have a picture of a head and a giving hand. Munk says that the Kaf both gives and measures out what it is giving. Hence, just as MD means 'measure,' KR means 'measure,' too.

The Rosh likely stands for the head of a household, tribe, nation, etc. This seems probable for a couple of reasons. First, the numerical weight of the word for 'chosen/elect' (BChYR) equals 220. Also, when you compare 220 = RK or KR with 22 = KB, you get the following:

220 = Giving Hand + Head

Vs.

22 = Giving Hand + House

Therefore, what the house receives is valued at 22, while the head’s is valued at 220.

While MD is more of a generic measure, KR is a dry measure of 60 gallons (or 220 liters). The unit for 22 liters is an ephah, so the 'hand' measuring out 220 liters to the head is giving 10 times what it is giving to the rest of the household.

If you also consider that both 220 and 22 are divisible by the numerical weight of DM (44), you see the same ratio:

220/44 = 5

Vs.

22/44 = .5

.5 X 10 = 5

All this seems to fit the kingdom view pretty well. God’s house is full of servants. However, only the heads, those he appoints to participate in the Kingdom Age, will receive the greater portion:

Mat 24:45 `Who, then, is the servant, faithful and wise, whom his lord did set over his household, to give them the nourishment in season?
46 Happy that servant, whom his lord, having come, shall find doing so;
47 verily I say to you, that over all his substance he will set him.
48 `And, if that evil servant may say in his heart, My Lord doth delay to come,
49 and may begin to beat the fellow-servants, and to eat and to drink with the drunken,
50 the lord of that servant will arrive in a day when he doth not expect, and in an hour of which he doth not know,
51 and will cut him off, and his portion with the hypocrites will appoint; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Richard and Bob,

I find the gymnastics you do with gematria to be inspiring. The insights you’ve both had regarding the 12 X 44 = 528 equation are truly incredible. Though my own skills with gematria are still developing, I believe I’m seeing some other synchronicities and would like to introduce them into the conversation.

First, all the double numbers in the chain of artistic influence from Colonna to Dali taken together, plus the 11 in the year in which it is all being discovered, total to 220: 99 + 66 + 44 + 11 = 220.

Written in Hebrew (220 = RK), you have a picture of a head and a giving hand. Munk says that the Kaf both gives and measures out what it is giving. Hence, just as MD means 'measure,' KR means 'measure,' too.

The Rosh likely stands for the head of a household, tribe, nation, etc. This seems probable for a couple of reasons. First, the numerical weight of the word for 'chosen/elect' (BChYR) equals 220. Also, when you compare 220 = RK or KR with 22 = KB, you get the following:

220 = Giving Hand + Head

Vs.

22 = Giving Hand + House

Therefore, what the house receives is valued at 22, while the head’s is valued at 220.

While MD is more of a generic measure, KR is a dry measure of 60 gallons (or 220 liters). The unit for 22 liters is an ephah, so the 'hand' measuring out 220 liters to the head is giving 10 times what it is giving to the rest of the household.

If you also consider that both 220 and 22 are divisible by the numerical weight of DM (44), you see the same ratio:

220/44 = 5

Vs.

22/44 = .5

.5 X 10 = 5

All this seems to fit the kingdom view pretty well. God’s house is full of servants. However, only the heads, those he appoints to participate in the Kingdom Age, will receive the greater portion:

Mat 24:45 `Who, then, is the servant, faithful and wise, whom his lord did set over his household, to give them the nourishment in season?
46 Happy that servant, whom his lord, having come, shall find doing so;
47 verily I say to you, that over all his substance he will set him.
48 `And, if that evil servant may say in his heart, My Lord doth delay to come,
49 and may begin to beat the fellow-servants, and to eat and to drink with the drunken,
50 the lord of that servant will arrive in a day when he doth not expect, and in an hour of which he doth not know,
51 and will cut him off, and his portion with the hypocrites will appoint; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth.

Hey there Len,

As I'm sure you know, the whole alphabet can be divided up into nine groups that have the same digital root:

Aleph (1) Yod (10) Quph (100)

Bet (2) Kaph (20) Resh (200)

etc.

Bet (House) and Resh (Head) go together very well. Indeed, the phrase Rosh Bet (Head of the House) is an anagram of the first word Bereshit (In the beginning).

And what is the "head" if not the "house" for the brain?

But adding the "double numbers" from the dates associated with the chain of art seems to be a pretty big stretch to me. That's the hardest part of gematria, separating the wheat from the chaff.

But don't let that discourage you. Gematria is an art, and profound insights can come from any direction. I was just letting you know how I see things.

Great chatting!

Richard

[lenvande]

But adding the "double numbers" from the dates associated with the chain of art seems to be a pretty big stretch to me. That's the hardest part of gematria, separating the wheat from the chaff.

But don't let that discourage you. Gematria is an art, and profound insights can come from any direction. I was just letting you know how I see things.

Great chatting!

Richard

Richard,

If anything, I welcome your feedback, constructively critical or not. It does not discourage me and only helps sharpen our clarity on what qualifies as a synchronicity and what doesn't.

I respect your level of experience with this kind of thing, so I'd like to know your view a little more fully. Do you feel the double numbers adding to 220 is only a coincidence?

Len

[lenvande]

Bet (House) and Resh (Head) go together very well. Indeed, the phrase Rosh Bet (Head of the House) is an anagram of the first word Bereshit (In the beginning).

And what is the "head" if not the "house" for the brain?

Richard,

Interesting you should say the "head" is the "house" of the brain. Earlier today, I checked out the copy of Colonna's Hypnerotomachia that you provided a link to on the 23rd. In the elephant section, the narrator says that the Latin phrase Cerebrum est in capite appears on the "poiterelle" (or the breastplate) worn by the elephant. My Latin isn't what it should be, but a direct translation would be something like "[The] brain is in [the] head."

Also, I just discovered that the edition you linked to has 220 pages total, and the above Latin phrase appears on page 44. Based on this and previous synchronicities, I'm pretty convinced that the double numbers summing to 220 is more than just coincidence.

Len

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Richard,

If anything, I welcome your feedback, constructively critical or not. It does not discourage me and only helps sharpen our clarity on what qualifies as a synchronicity and what doesn't.

I respect your level of experience with this kind of thing, so I'd like to know your view a little more fully. Do you feel the double numbers adding to 220 is only a coincidence?

Len

Hi Len,

I'm glad you are not defensive about criticism. That's the only path to personal growth.

As for the double digits, yes, it seems like it's probably just a "coincidence" but maybe I missed something so let me review how you arrived at them:

66 from 1667, The year the statue of the elephant with the obelisk was completed
99 from 1499, the year Hypnerotomachia Poliphili (which inspired the elephant and obelisk) was published
44 from the Dumbo Dream and/or the year the Dali painting of the "Dream Caused by the Flight of a Bee Around a Pomegranate"
11 from 2011, the current year in which we are holding this discussion.

Looking for meaning in the sum of these numbers seems arbitrary for a number of reasons. First, there could be many other relevant numbers and dates we could have included in the sum. Second, the repeated digits came from different parts of the year numbers (1499 vs. 1667). Third, there doesn't seem to be any "rule" or "logic" that would suggest adding them up would yield insight. It may be that there is meaning to be found in these kind of calculations, but the fundamental problem is that there seems to be too many possibilities and no way to discern between chance and design. And the fact that you began by selecting only multiples of eleven forced the sum to be a multiple of 11 too. So I just don't feel confident that this is anything but chance.

The path from the Dumbo Dream to Dali (who may have contributed to the psychedelic sequence "Pink Elephants on Parade") and the elephants with the obelisk is all very interesting, and I think it may well lead to some significant insight, but I don't feel confident that the sum of those numbers contains any meaning. It feels coincidental to me, but I could be wrong. And I very much appreciate your contributions.

Richard

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Richard,

Interesting you should say the "head" is the "house" of the brain. Earlier today, I checked out the copy of Colonna's Hypnerotomachia that you provided a link to on the 23rd. In the elephant section, the narrator says that the Latin phrase Cerebrum est in capite appears on the "poiterelle" (or the breastplate) worn by the elephant. My Latin isn't what it should be, but a direct translation would be something like "[The] brain is in [the] head."

Also, I just discovered that the edition you linked to has 220 pages total, and the above Latin phrase appears on page 44. Based on this and previous synchronicities, I'm pretty convinced that the double numbers summing to 220 is more than just coincidence.

Len

Yes, I noticed that too when I read the elephant section. I thought it was pretty cool, but didn't see how it might lead to any more insight. I wasn't thinking about it when I mentioned Rosh Bet - that was stimulated by your comment about those two letters. So that's an interesting synchronicity.

And the 220 page count and appearance on page 44 are both intriguing. Once one begins noticing such things, they start to appear everywhere! On the morning of the Dumbo Dream, I discovered that 44 = DM (blood) on page 44 of Crowley's book 777 and noted that synchronicity in my notebook. So don't be discouraged if I seem to skeptical - it's been a lot of years since I thought "synchronistically."

Given the 220 page count and the page number 44, I can see why you would feel this confirms the sum of the double digits you derived. But the sum still does not strike me as strongly because it was not derived so directly. I'm always suspicious if there is too much manipulation of the numbers because the moment we start selecting and and calculating, the statistics go through the roof (combinatorics are factorial) and it becomes very hard to discern between chance and design.

Great chatting!

Richard

[lenvande]

Richard,

Interesting you should say the "head" is the "house" of the brain. Earlier today, I checked out the copy of Colonna's Hypnerotomachia that you provided a link to on the 23rd. In the elephant section, the narrator says that the Latin phrase Cerebrum est in capite appears on the "poiterelle" (or the breastplate) worn by the elephant. My Latin isn't what it should be, but a direct translation would be something like "[The] brain is in [the] head."

Also, I just discovered that the edition you linked to has 220 pages total, and the above Latin phrase appears on page 44. Based on this and previous synchronicities, I'm pretty convinced that the double numbers summing to 220 is more than just coincidence.

Len

The above also dovetails with what I wrote last night about the "heads" receiving a great deal more than what the "house" receives. In capite can mean something like "in chief." According to Webster's Online, the expression was applied legally in feudal England:

Tenant in capite: [L. in in + capite, abl. of caput head, chief.], or Tenant in chief, by the laws of England, one who holds immediately of the king. According to the feudal system, all lands in England are considered as held immediately or mediately of the king, who is styled lord paramount. Such tenants, however, are considered as having the fee of the lands and permanent possession. --Blackstone.

This application of the expression to chief or "head" tenants whose lord has given them special rights of possessing and managing property parallels what Christ says of those who will be the "heads" in the Kingdom Age.

Likewise, the legal definition of in capite goes as follows:

By the head. Distribution or succession per capita, is said to take place when every one of the kindred in equal degree, and not jure representationis, receive an equal part of an estate.

While it does not involve sharing out parts of an estate, Matthew 20:1-16 (KJV) is somewhat of a parallel to what Christ says about laborers receiving the same wages:

1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man [that is] an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, [that] shall ye receive.
8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them [their] hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
9 And when they came that [were hired] about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
11 And when they had received [it], they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12 Saying, These last have wrought [but] one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14 Take [that] thine [is], and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Again, the legal definition only applies indirectly as these laborers are clearly not the lord's kindred.

If we don't account for the steward, what Christ says about these hired laborers may seem to contrast with what he says in Matthew 19:29 (YLT):

and every one who left houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or fields, for my name's sake, an hundredfold shall receive, and life age-during shall inherit;

The steward is managing his lord's bookkeeping and is a member of his house. The laborers, however, are hired to work the vineyard. We do not know just how much of the lord's house the steward manages, so we can't tell if he is in control of a greater or smaller portion. Nevertheless, outside the lord's house, the laborers are entitled only to receive wages. They have no authority to control any of his property.

Toward the end of Matthew 20 (KJV), Jesus says:

26 but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

In light of the above definitions for in capite, perhaps receiving a hundred times what others do has nothing to do with "ownership" and everything to do with utilizing it in the service of others, those in the Outer Court, those who have no "head" to "house" the things of God.

[lenvande]

Yes, I noticed that too when I read the elephant section. I thought it was pretty cool, but didn't see how it might lead to any more insight. I wasn't thinking about it when I mentioned Rosh Bet - that was stimulated by your comment about those two letters. So that's an interesting synchronicity.

And the 220 page count and appearance on page 44 are both intriguing. Once one begins noticing such things, they start to appear everywhere! On the morning of the Dumbo Dream, I discovered that 44 = DM (blood) on page 44 of Crowley's book 777 and noted that synchronicity in my notebook. So don't be discouraged if I seem to skeptical - it's been a lot of years since I thought "synchronistically."

Given the 220 page count and the page number 44, I can see why you would feel this confirms the sum of the double digits you derived. But the sum still does not strike me as strongly because it was not derived so directly. I'm always suspicious if there is too much manipulation of the numbers because the moment we start selecting and and calculating, the statistics go through the roof (combinatorics are factorial) and it becomes very hard to discern between chance and design.

Great chatting!

Richard

That is certainly fair, and I can appreciate where you're coming from mathematically-speaking. I decided to add the double numbers based strictly on intuition. I didn't consider statistical deviations or anything else of the sort.

Still, the number 22 keeps popping up, and 220 has popped up twice now. We'll see what else may surface in the future.

Thanks for a good discussion. I've really been enjoying participating. My wife and daughter are visiting a friend out of state right now, so I've had more opportunity to post my ideas.

Len

[Bob May]

Richard and Bob,

I find the gymnastics you do with gematria to be inspiring. The insights you’ve both had regarding the 12 X 44 = 528 equation are truly incredible. Though my own skills with gematria are still developing, I believe I’m seeing some other synchronicities and would like to introduce them into the conversation.

First, all the double numbers in the chain of artistic influence from Colonna to Dali taken together, plus the 11 in the year in which it is all being discovered, total to 220: 99 + 66 + 44 + 11 = 220.

Written in Hebrew (220 = RK), you have a picture of a head and a giving hand. Munk says that the Kaf both gives and measures out what it is giving. Hence, just as MD means 'measure,' KR means 'measure,' too.

The Rosh likely stands for the head of a household, tribe, nation, etc. This seems probable for a couple of reasons. First, the numerical weight of the word for 'chosen/elect' (BChYR) equals 220. Also, when you compare 220 = RK or KR with 22 = KB, you get the following:

220 = Giving Hand + Head

Vs.

22 = Giving Hand + House

Therefore, what the house receives is valued at 22, while the head’s is valued at 220.

While MD is more of a generic measure, KR is a dry measure of 60 gallons (or 220 liters). The unit for 22 liters is an ephah, so the 'hand' measuring out 220 liters to the head is giving 10 times what it is giving to the rest of the household.

If you also consider that both 220 and 22 are divisible by the numerical weight of DM (44), you see the same ratio:

220/44 = 5

Vs.

22/44 = .5

.5 X 10 = 5

All this seems to fit the kingdom view pretty well. God’s house is full of servants. However, only the heads, those he appoints to participate in the Kingdom Age, will receive the greater portion:

Mat 24:45 `Who, then, is the servant, faithful and wise, whom his lord did set over his household, to give them the nourishment in season?
46 Happy that servant, whom his lord, having come, shall find doing so;
47 verily I say to you, that over all his substance he will set him.
48 `And, if that evil servant may say in his heart, My Lord doth delay to come,
49 and may begin to beat the fellow-servants, and to eat and to drink with the drunken,
50 the lord of that servant will arrive in a day when he doth not expect, and in an hour of which he doth not know,
51 and will cut him off, and his portion with the hypocrites will appoint; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth.

Hi Len and Richard,
Some interesting insights here.
I think the important thing is to realize there is something going on, rather than how much mathmatical sense synchronicities have. That is what I mean when I say that there is a 2000 pound elephant in the room.
We beling half blind may mistake him for very like a fan or a great wall or a rope or a great serpent depending upon which direction we approach him from.
We can all agree that the elephant is there.
This is like the city in the book of Revelation. Twelve gates by which we can enter. Four directions by which can approach the city.

Len pointed out this:

220 = Giving Hand + Head
Vs.
22 = Giving Hand + House

Let's look at it linearly, instead of "Vs."

So the giving hand is The Father, Kaph: 20,..Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

The Head is Christ, Resh: 200,..Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

The giving hand of the Father through the son, Kaph: 20,..Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

The house of God, Us Beth: 2,..Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

So, what the Father gives to Jesus, Jesus gives to us and we as members of his body (House) share with each other.

Kaph, Resh, Kaph, Beth.,..242 karkob {kar-kobe'} expanded from the same as 03522; TWOT - 1038a; n m AV - compass 2; 2 1) edge, rim
Gematria: 242
Exo 27:5 And thou shalt put it under the compass of the altar beneath, that the net may be even to the midst of the altar. Bk
Chpt
Vs

Verse # = 2278 | Words = 11 | Letters = 44
Data from Strong's Concordance
KJV Hebrew Strong's # Value
And thou shalt put נתן H5414 nathan 500
it under the compass כרכב H3749 karkob 242 of the altar מזבח H4196 mizbeach 57
beneath, מטה H4295 mattah 54
that the net רשת H7568 resheth 900
may be even to עד H5704 `ad 74
the midst חצי H2677 chetsiy 108
of the altar. מזבח H4196 mizbeach 57

Ex 27:3 And thou shalt make his pans to receive his ashes, and his shovels, and his basins, and his fleshhooks, and his firepans: all the vessels thereof thou shalt make of brass.
Ex 27:4 And thou shalt make for it a grate of network of brass; and upon the net shalt thou make four brazen rings in the four corners thereof.
Ex 27:5 And thou shalt put it under the compass 242of the altar beneath, that the net may be even to the midst of the altar.

So, we have the idea of a net made of brass,..a filter that removes the large parts of bones and such from burnt offerings.
Applying this to ourselves we also have a filter which I just described above.
Is what we are learning from the reaffirmations and such coming fromthe Father through the son to us?
That is the Grate or filter we are reaching for.
And when we see that it is happening we will know that it is happening.

Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Joh 4:15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

I just read the book "Water for Elephants" that just happened to be in a Kindle that my wife just happened to find on a plane. Good book. We watched the movie tonight, also good, but not near as good as the book.
What the movie missed was that the story was about a guy in an old peoples home. He was 90 or 93, he could not remember which. Being so old, he had a tendancy to fall asleep a lot. When he did, he kept flashing back into dreams about his life as part of a train circus during the time of the Great Depression.

My life seems a bit like this at times. Not that I fall asleep in the normal sense of the word. I do not have narcolepsy.
But I get into these states where the Lord speaks to me for a time and then back to normal state again.
Which is the dream? Which is real?
That is the brass grate that compasses the altar. The Filter. That is the choice we make and we are the burnt offering,...or not.

I think if we make the choice to filter out all that is not of the same mindset or doctrine of Jesus, it will all lead us and point the way back home.

Bob

[kathryn]

Hi Richard, Len and Bob....Bob...you mentioned the 12 gates; the "220" is also the numerical weight for the doorkeeper...so in that sense, it describes a "threshold" from one realm into another.

If you recall the synchronicity surrounding my father's death in the room I was birthed in (340) on his 34034 day...he died just after sundown on the 2/20 (or the threshold of the next day)
On this same "threshold" date and time...I had two other events years apart, that pointed to the same theme. The deed for our old house, was passed to new owners...and three years later, the deed to a new house passed to us.

What was particularly interesting, was the the old house was at the foot of Mt. Tabor (in Prince George..not Israel) in the south (Tabor comes the root meaning to break or crush)...the new house, several hundred feet above Mt. Tabor facing the mountain from the north. This death/birth theme carried through in many other details surrounding that "220" and the threshold of the next or new day.

(regarding the "34"..I don't know if I mentioned it before, but the year of the move to the new house, both my eldest daughter and I received an inheritance from our fathers, of 34,000. The gematria for inheritance, 93... factored into the time from death to the burial of the ashes of both fathers so there is that "filtering" theme of the ashes you mentioned, with the burnt offerings.)

This will seem terribly subjective to some, but as you say, it's all in how you view the elephant in the room:-)