God's 10 Spokes in Genesis 1 = 620 letters

[sylvius]

Why do you think the Deuteronomy version was the version put into the ark? The text says that God wrote the same words in the second set of tablets that were put in the ark:

Exodus 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

I picked it up from Rabbi Munk, "The wisdom in the Hebrew alphabet", p.121.

"In the first version every letter of the Hebrew alphabet appears except for "tet", in the second version "tet" appears in the fifth commandment, וּלְמַעַן יִיטַב לָךְ "ul'maan yitav lach", that it may go well with you on the land that the Lord, your God, is giving you.

The Sages explain: It was known to the Omniscient One that the First Tablets would be smashed by Moses. Had they contained the word "tov", the world would have feared that the smashing of the Tablets signified tat all "tov", goodness, on earth had come to an end. In order to spare mankind this anxiety, god omitted the "tet" (Bava Kama 55a)."

And also:

"The Second Tablets contain seventeen words more than the First. the gematria of "tov" is seventeen, indicating that the Second Tablets assuaged man's fear taht goodnes had disappeared (Baal HaTurim)."


This I do see confirmed in John 21:11, the number of 153 large fish.

The third "tov" of Genesis being the 153rd word from teh beginning.

Genesis 1:11-12,
וַיֹּאמֶר אֱ־לֹהִים תַּדְשֵׁא הָאָרֶץ דֶּשֶׁא עֵשֶׂב מַזְרִיעַ זֶרַע עֵץ פְּרִי עֹשֶׂה פְּרִי לְמִינוֹ אֲשֶׁר זַרְעוֹ בוֹ עַל הָאָרֶץ וַיְהִי כֵן

וַתּוֹצֵא הָאָרֶץ דֶּשֶׁא עֵשֶׂב מַזְרִיעַ זֶרַע לְמִינֵהוּ וְעֵץ עֹשֶׂה פְּרִי אֲשֶׁר זַרְעוֹ בוֹ לְמִינֵהוּ וַיַּרְא אֱ־לֹהִים כִּי טוֹב

Rashi:
עץ פריfruit trees: That the taste of the tree should be like the taste of the fruit. It [the earth] did not do so, however, but“the earth gave forth, etc., trees producing fruit,” but the trees themselves were not fruit. Therefore, when man was cursed because of his iniquity, it [the earth] too was punished for its iniquity (and was cursed-not in all editions). - [from Gen. Rabbah 5:9]

[sylvius]

Yes, of course. But the identity I showed is true. It's just not written in that verse.

Nor anywhere else.

Moreover I do think it is not a right expression "d'vir kodesh"-

I think it should have been then "d'vir kadosh" (gematria 626), and that would have been a pleonasm. The "d'vir" being already the holy place, holy of holies.

But I am not an expert like prof. Mordochai ben-Tziyyon:

http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/topic/2681

רוּחַ הַקֹּדֶשׁ ru'ah ha-kodesh doesn't mean "the holy spirit"; that would have to be הָרוּחַ הַקָּדוֹשׁ ha-ru'ah ha-kadosh or הָרוּחַ הַקְּדוֹשָׁה ha-ru'ah ha-k'doshah (because רוּחַ ru'ah can be both masculine & feminine). קוֹדֶשׁ is a noun ("holiness" or "sanctity") and the term רוּחַ הַקֹּדֶשׁ ru'ah ha-kodesh correctly translates as "a/the spirit of [the] holiness" or "a/the spirit of [the] sanctity".

Do you work only with words exactly as written in the Bible, or do you also consider the values of legitimate Hebrew phrases derived from what is written, as I did with davir qadosh?

No, my hobbyhorse is gematria of "yom shishi" = 666, while there is written in Genesis 1:31 "yom hashishi" , the sixth day.


http://www.google.nl/search?q=Vaychu...SzI4mw8gPI7KVJ

We introduce our Shabbat Kiddush with "yom hashishi [the sixth day], two words which are entirely out of place since they constitute the conclusion of a previous verse (we may even say a previous chapter) with no grammatical connection with what follows. Why do we do this? In order that the first four words uttered aloud bear the initials that spell Hashem [Yom Hashishi Vaychulu Hashamayim].

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The letter "hei" in "hashishi" being extra, alluding to the wellknown sixth day of Sivan, which actually is today , Shavuot = Pentecost, day on which Torah was given.

[sylvius]

Rectification,

I didn't count well,
I did recount and found 708 letters in the second version of the Ten Commandments.
so 88 letters more than in the first version, and not 86, so also not "kos" = cup.

I found this on the internet:

http://kabbalahsecrets.com/?page_id=1555

Like the 2 palms and the 2 sets of Tablets given to Moses, there are 2 recitals of the 10 Commandments in the Torah, for a total of 20, one in Exodus and the other in Deuteronomy. While the first has 620 letters, the second has 708 letters, with 708 being the numerical value of the Upper 42-Letter Name (the 42 letters of the 3 iterations of the spelled out Tetragrammaton (YHVH).

[Richard Amiel McGough]

First version is written with 172 words, second version with 189 words.

Rectification,

I didn't count well,
I did recount and found 708 letters in the second version of the Ten Commandments.
so 88 letters more than in the first version, and not 86, so also not "kos" = cup.

I found this on the internet:

http://kabbalahsecrets.com/?page_id=1555

I can confirm your counts. I did an automated count of Dt. 5:6-21.

verse	words	letters	gematria
6	9	41	2495
7	7	23	696
8	16	58	6066
9	21	76	4689
10	6	29	1820
11	17	51	4451
12	9	34	2879
13	6	24	2923
14	26	109	7290
15	23	87	5285
16	22	80	3793
17	2	6	729
18	2	7	568
19	2	7	492
20	5	16	1235
21	16	60	5536
Totals	189	708	50947

Gotta love computers, eh? Makes counting things pretty quick and easy, and it helps avoid counting errors. Or so I thought until I noticed that my program accidentally included a samek (text marker) and counted it as a word and a letter, so my counts were initially off by 1, 1, and 60. Doh!

Anyway, this count appears accurate.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Here is a comparison of the two versions of the Ten Commandments. Five verses are identical, and four verses are identical except for a different number of vavs.:

EXODUS	Words	Letters	Gematria		DEUT	Words	Letters	Gematria
2	9	41	2495		6	9	41	2495		Same
3	7	23	696		7	7	23	696		Same
4	16	59	6072		8	16	58	6066		Dt: 1 missing vav
5	21	74	4677		9	21	76	4689		Dt: 2 extra vavs
6	6	29	1824		10	6	29	1820		Dt: Kethiv has vav vs. yod
7	17	51	4451		11	17	51	4451		Same
8	5	18	1837		12	9	34	2879		Different words: keep vs. remember, etc.
9	6	24	2923		13	6	24	2923		Same
10	18	75	5515		14	26	109	7290		Different words
11	26	86	7028		15	23	87	5285		Different words
12	15	53	2783		16	22	80	3793		Different words
13	2	6	729		17	2	6	729		Same
14	2	6	562		18	2	7	568		Dt: extra vav
15	2	6	486		19	2	7	492		Dt: extra vav
16	5	15	1522		20	5	16	1235		Dt: extra vav and replaces shaqar with shav
17	15	54	4855		21	16	60	5536		Dt: diff word for covet, extra vavs
TOTALS	172	620	48455			189	708	50947

[sylvius]

I can confirm your counts. I did an automated count of Dt. 5:6-21.

Any, this count appears accurate.

Ah I see,

v21 (v.18 in Jewish bibles) has the "samech" that doesn't count

וְלֹא תַחְמֹד אֵשֶׁת רֵעֶךָ ס וְלֹא תִתְאַוֶּה בֵּית רֵעֶךָ שָׂדֵהוּ וְעַבְדּוֹ וַאֲמָתוֹ שׁוֹרוֹ וַחֲמֹרוֹ וְכֹל אֲשֶׁר לְרֵעֶךָ

[sylvius]

Strange thing about the number 620 (= 10 x 62):

"dalet", fourth letter, as a word has gematria 434 = 7 x 62

"kuf", nineteenth letter, as a word has gematria 186 = 3 x 62

"dalet" and "kuf" are eachothers "atbash" ("kuf" being the fourth letter counting backwards from "tav").

Like twins? (Sivan, the month in which Torah is given, is the month of zodiac-sign the twins)

4 x 62 = 248, another signicant number. (gematria of the name Abraham, and more).

"dalet" and "kuf" together form the word "dak"= thin, lean, small.

Known from the "kol demamah dakkah" (1Kings 19:12)

I would say "subtile".

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Strange thing about the number 620 (= 10 x 62):

"dalet", fourth letter, as a word has gematria 434 = 7 x 62

"kuf", nineteenth letter, as a word has gematria 186 = 3 x 62

"dalet" and "kuf" are eachothers "atbash" ("kuf" being the fourth letter counting backwards from "tav").

Like twins? (Sivan, the month in which Torah is given, is the month of zodiac-sign the twins)

4 x 62 = 248, another signicant number. (gematria of the name Abraham, and more).

"dalet" and "kuf" together form the word "dak"= thin, lean, small.

Known from the "kol demamah dakkah" (1Kings 19:12)

I would say "subtile".

Interesting insights. They make sense to me. It is curious that daq (דק) and raq (רק) have essentially the same meaning, and the Dalet and Resh look very similar.

דק daq {dak} from 01854; TWOT - 448a; adj AV - thin 5, small 5, leanfleshed 01320 2, dwarf 1, little thing 1; 14 1) thin, small, fine, gaunt 1a) thin 1b) small, fine
רק raq {rak} from 07556 in its original sense; TWOT - 2218a AV - lean 1, thin 1, leanfleshed + 01320 1; 3 adj 1) thin, lean

[sylvius]

Jeremiah 31:32,

נָתַתִּי אֶת-תּוֹרָתִי בְּקִרְבָּם, וְעַל-לִבָּם אֶכְתְּבֶנָּה

"I will give my Torah in their midst and I will inscribe it upon their hearts"

Would this be about the 620-letter version of the Ten Commandments?

I am inclined to think so.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Jeremiah 31:32,

נָתַתִּי אֶת-תּוֹרָתִי בְּקִרְבָּם, וְעַל-לִבָּם אֶכְתְּבֶנָּה

"I will give my Torah in their midst and I will inscribe it upon their hearts"

Would this be about the 620-letter version of the Ten Commandments?

I am inclined to think so.

I don't think it refers to the Ten Commandments at all. The "Law" is the "Law of the Spirit" and the NT contrasts it with the law written in stone (i.e. the Ten Commandments).

2 Corinthians 3:2 You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart. 4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God.

It doesn't make any sense to me to literalize the statement in Jeremiah as if we had the commandments literally written on our physical hearts.