Encryptions within the Original 1611 King James Version of the Bible

[RC Christian]

The following is an introductory discussion on the, somewhat well-known, encryption (or code...puzzle...call it what you will) of the word "Shake-spear", being placed in Psalm 46.

I own a photographic facsimile edition of the Original 1611 King James Bible, purchased from the following website:

http://www.greatsite.com/facsimile-r...ames-1611.html

To understand how the encryptions, that I will be referring to, work, one will need to be utilizing a similar type of reproduction, unless of course, you're fortunate enough to own or have access to, one of the 'actual' original 1611 copies, which sell for $50K-$400K.

The claims that many have made, vary from Shakespeare being one of the 40-55 compilers/editors utilized in creating the 1611 King James Bible, to Francis Bacon (which some give claim to writing part, if not all, of Shakespeare's works) and several other theories are floating around as to who all had their hands in putting together this most beautiful work. For references on Francis Bacon being the alleged writer of the Shakespearean pieces and his development and usage of various ciphers, one can refer to the following links:

(Please note that I'm not attempting to yield credibility to any of these websites or the claims that they make. I'm only linking them for those who are unaware of the theories (true or false) about the Bacon/Shakespeare theories.)

http://www.sirbacon.org/Mather_KJV/Bacon_KJV.html

http://www.sirbacon.org/links/evidence.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon's_cipher

http://www.fbrt.org.uk/pages/essays/essay-ciphers.html

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/secret...scrucians.html

http://www.ziplink.net/users/entropy/kj1.pdf (I found this one to be rather interesting, with an attempt given to perform some rudimentary probabilistic calculations included)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv7qJHE0TlU (...and for those who would prefer to see and have explained the "shake-speare" occurrence) [follow link to part 2 on same face-page]

So, again, just some basic information for those not familiar with the ideologies about the 46th Psalm and "Shake-speare". I think it is important to note that we historically do not have an accepted birthday for William Shakespeare. Some of the links above give various birth dates, however, they are mistaking his recorded Christian Baptismal date of April 26, 1564 for that date (A quick reference, among many, on that would be in Wikipedia at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare ) . Interesting enough, that would lend 47 years from baptism until 1611, with most scholars agreeing that the final version of the 1611 King James was completed and delivered to King James in 1610, and then "published" within the year...giving 46 years between the first known date of Shakespeare's life (his Christian Baptism) and the completion of the KJV.

Now for what I consider to be of more interest. The following "finds" were done by others and are available on the internet, but I would encourage anyone who is interested in this, to do the proof for themselves, just as I did. A very nice and inexpensive copy of the Original 1611 KJV by Zondervan Bibles can be found on Amazon for $7.30 + shipping at http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-161...1458467&sr=1-4. This is an actual page by page facsimile of the original from The Bible Museum in Goodyear, AZ (where I received my larger version). Interesting enough, Zondervan Bibles cut the Apocrypha out of this version...for heaven's sake! The Apocrypha is still in the versions you can order directly from www.greatsite.com.

Here they are:

1) Starting at the last chapter in the Bible, Revelation, chp. 22, count this chapter as "chapter #1" and begin counting backwards until you come to Psalm 46 (as your last 'chapter' count). Please note that this method involves counting each Psalm as a chapter, and books like Jude, which are not broken down as chapters, are counted as 1 chapter...not a far stretch of the imagination). You will find that Psalm 46 is the 666th chapter from the end of the KJV...interesting. (The Apocrypha is not utilized in this count...for possible various reasons that could be discussed later.)

2) What I find even more interesting is, that if you count every page of printed text (again, this only works in the original version...where it was intentionally created, I strongly believe), starting with the first page on the inside right side of the original, which is the beautiful Title Page (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-page-1611.jpg). The back side of the Title Page is blank...no text. We then go through the genealogies, the almanacs, etc. and then eventually come to Genesis, Chapter 1. There is only one other blank page in the entire Original KJV...found right before Psalm 1...no where else in the Original KJV was there placed another, free-standing blank page, not even to divide the Old Testament from the Apocrypha, or the Apocrypha from the New Testament. Now, as we count the pages of printed text, starting with the Title Page as page #1 and omitting the 2 blank pages just mentioned, and eventually come to the 666th page...low and behold...we land on Psalm 46...EXACTLY!

I encourage everyone who might find this interesting, if they knew it was true, to order a copy off of Amazon and prove it to themselves, just like I did. The cool thing is, the Zondervan version on Amazon has already removed the Apocrypha for you, so the chapter count just became simple... http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.png

Again, everything I just posted here is no original work on my part...it's throughout the internet. But the 3rd and final point that I am about to type, is something that I came across based on a hypothesis which I will explain in my next post, where I will elaborate on the significance of how this encryption was placed in the "Authorized Version".

3) [Continued...see my next post in this thread]

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Now for what I consider to be of more interest. The following "finds" were done by others and are available on the internet, but I would encourage anyone who is interested in this, to do the proof for themselves, just as I did. A very nice and inexpensive copy of the Original 1611 KJV by Zondervan Bibles can be found on Amazon for $7.30 + shipping at http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-161...1458467&sr=1-4. This is an actual page by page facsimile of the original from The Bible Museum in Goodyear, AZ (where I received my larger version). Interesting enough, Zondervan Bibles cut the Apocrypha out of this version...for heaven's sake! The Apocrypha is still in the versions you can order directly from www.greatsite.com.

Here they are:

1) Starting at the last chapter in the Bible, Revelation, chp. 22, count this chapter as "chapter #1" and begin counting backwards until you come to Psalm 46 (as your last 'chapter' count). Please note that this method involves counting each Psalm as a chapter, and books like Jude, which are not broken down as chapters, are counted as 1 chapter...not a far stretch of the imagination). You will find that Psalm 46 is the 666th chapter from the end of the KJV...interesting. (The Apocrypha is not utilized in this count...for possible various reasons that could be discussed later.)

2) What I find even more interesting is, that if you count every page of printed text (again, this only works in the original version...where it was intentionally created, I strongly believe), starting with the first page on the inside right side of the original, which is the beautiful Title Page (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-page-1611.jpg). The back side of the Title Page is blank...no text. We then go through the genealogies, the almanacs, etc. and then eventually come to Genesis, Chapter 1. There is only one other blank page in the entire Original KJV...found right before Psalm 1...no where else in the Original KJV was there placed another, free-standing blank page, not even to divide the Old Testament from the Apocrypha, or the Apocrypha from the New Testament. Now, as we count the pages of printed text, starting with the Title Page as page #1 and omitting the 2 blank pages just mentioned, and eventually come to the 666th page...low and behold...we land on Psalm 46...EXACTLY!

I encourage everyone who might find this interesting, if they knew it was true, to order a copy off of Amazon and prove it to themselves, just like I did. The cool thing is, the Zondervan version on Amazon has already removed the Apocrypha for you, so the chapter count just became simple... http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.png

Again, everything I just posted here is no original work on my part...it's throughout the internet. But the 3rd and final point that I am about to type, is something that I came across based on a hypothesis which I will explain in my next post, where I will elaborate on the significance of how this encryption was placed in the "Authorized Version".

3) [Continued...see my next post in this thread]

1) I can confirm that Psalm 46 is the 666th chapter from the end of the KJV.

2) I can't confirm this because I don't have the text.

But my question is this: If these two facts were intentionally designed into the text, what was their purpose? Anyone can do things like this if they set their mind to it. Why bother? What do you suppose it means?

[RC Christian]

I don't know that I would go as far as saying that anyone could do something like this. On the second point of interest...the 666 page count...this would indeed take a lot of planning. There's roughly 78 pages (counting the Title Page) that lead up to the first page of Genesis. I assume that the encryptor would have the page count of the 588 pages of actual Biblical text that leads up to Psalm 46 in front of him, and then he would have to plan to fill up the additional 78 pages to get his count correct. By no means impossible, but not a simple task. Eleven of those 78 pages are entitled "The Translators to the Readers". I suspect this is the section that was used to 'fill the void' in reaching the proper page count. The other 'extra' pages are filled with a general zodiacal almanac, including informing the reader of how many days are in each month verses how many days 'the moon has' that month, what sign the sun and other planets take up residence and influence in, etc...astrology for the layman. Then we move on to "How to find Easter"...kind of a cool matrix. Next, there's a section on what prayers and Psalms to read on certain day. And finally, we are shown the famous geneology trees, starting with God, Adam, and Eve, and some 34 pages later..."Christ". This is the section that has random Masonic/ Rosicrucian handshakes built into what is otherwise connecting lines...very strange. The handshakes are the same as the most common one found over the internet...with the thumb gripping around the other person's knuckle.

I'll try to locate a website that I found on-line once that was a page-by-page photo gallery of the 1611. If someone is so inclined, and doesn't feel like dropping the $7.30 at Amazon for a copy of the 400th Year Anniversary version, they could, page by page, count the 666 pages. If nothing else, the link will show you the beautiful artwork that went into several pages of this work. I would definitely recommend looking at the astrology section and the Masonic/Rosicrucian handshakes in the geneologies.

I do have my own opinion of "why" someone would painstakenly take the time to encrypt something like this, but I'll need to make my point #3 that was alluded to in my previous post, first...just to make sure I have all the evidence on the table...and I plan on doing so after I help my daughter with her Algebra and me and the wife get the kids to bed.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I don't know that I would go as far as saying that anyone could do something like this. On the second point of interest...the 666 page count...this would indeed take a lot of planning. There's roughly 78 pages (counting the Title Page) that lead up to the first page of Genesis. I assume that the encryptor would have the page count of the 588 pages of actual Biblical text that leads up to Psalm 46 in front of him, and then he would have to plan to fill up the additional 78 pages to get his count correct. By no means impossible, but not a simple task. Eleven of those 78 pages are entitled "The Translators to the Readers". I suspect this is the section that was used to 'fill the void' in reaching the proper page count. The other 'extra' pages are filled with a general zodiacal almanac, including informing the reader of how many days are in each month verses how many days 'the moon has' that month, what sign the sun and other planets take up residence and influence in, etc...astrology for the layman. Then we move on to "How to find Easter"...kind of a cool matrix. Next, there's a section on what prayers and Psalms to read on certain day. And finally, we are shown the famous geneology trees, starting with God, Adam, and Eve, and some 34 pages later..."Christ". This is the section that has random Masonic/ Rosicrucian handshakes built into what is otherwise connecting lines...very strange. The handshakes are the same as the most common one found over the internet...with the thumb gripping around the other person's knuckle.

I'll try to locate a website that I found on-line once that was a page-by-page photo gallery of the 1611. If someone is so inclined, and doesn't feel like dropping the $7.30 at Amazon for a copy of the 400th Year Anniversary version, they could, page by page, count the 666 pages. If nothing else, the link will show you the beautiful artwork that went into several pages of this work. I would definitely recommend looking at the astrology section and the Masonic/Rosicrucian handshakes in the geneologies.

I do have my own opinion of "why" someone would painstakenly take the time to encrypt something like this, but I'll need to make my point #3 that was alluded to in my previous post, first...just to make sure I have all the evidence on the table...and I plan on doing so after I help my daughter with her Algebra and me and the wife get the kids to bed.

I'm a little confused on your thesis, since you haven't actually stated it yet. But I thought you had said that these patterns were deliberately designed, and I got the impression that you meant deliberately designed by some humans who knew what they were doing.

The reason I said it could be done was because showed only two "coincidences" without showing any rhyme nor reason for them and there were endless other possibilities. Why 666 pages? Why 666 chapters? Why not 666 letters from some other verse, or 777 chapters? Why Shakespeare? Why not King James? All these things you just present as if their significance should be self-evident. But there is an infinity of possible number/word/person combinations you could have chosen to begin your presentation. So I can't see anything yet that could not be mere coincidence. The Bible is a very big book, how many possible connections could there be? How do we discern between chance and design when confronted with such claims? That's the real question.

I look forward to your next point. Perhaps that will answer some of my questions.

Great chatting!

Richard

[RC Christian]

I'm a little confused on your thesis, since you haven't actually stated it yet. But I thought you had said that these patterns were deliberately designed, and I got the impression that you meant deliberately designed by some humans who knew what they were doing.

The reason I said it could be done was because showed only two "coincidences" without showing any rhyme nor reason for them and there were endless other possibilities. Why 666 pages? Why 666 chapters? Why not 666 letters from some other verse, or 777 chapters? Why Shakespeare? Why not King James? All these things you just present as if their significance should be self-evident. But there is an infinity of possible number/word/person combinations you could have chosen to begin your presentation. So I can't see anything yet that could not be mere coincidence. The Bible is a very big book, how many possible connections could there be? How do we discern between chance and design when confronted with such claims? That's the real question.

I look forward to your next point. Perhaps that will answer some of my questions.

Great chatting!

Richard

My view of the encryptions that I'm discussing, found within the 1611 KJV, is that they were deliberately and well-intentionally placed within the translation by one or possibly more of those who were in charge of the translating...more specifically the one or ones who were in charge of the "final" draft and version, not necessarily all or any of the general translators, whose numbers are estimated to be between 40-55 from all references I have been able to find on the net and in a couple of books. So, yes, "humans" would be an accurate description of the encryptors...not God, gods, spirits, aliens, etc. I, by no means, am attempting to make a point of "inspiration", divine intervention, etc.

My opinion, or I suppose we could call it my thesis statement, is that whoever the 'editor-in-chief' was of the 1611 KJV, be it William Shakespeare, Francis Bacon, or a host of others which have been proposed and speculated over during the years, intentionally encoded, among other things, the "shake-spear" found in Psalm 46. Now the facts that I first presented, about "shake" being the 46th word from the start of Psalm 46 and "spear" being the 46 word from the end of Psalm 46, which I learned about years ago...I think the finding has made it's way into a few History Channel specials...never really impressed much on me. The most intriguing point of the whole thing to me was, "Who in the world found this and what were they looking for in the first place?" ...Why Psalm 46 and all this 46 counting??? What is the significance of it? Then I read where a few people had stated that Shakespeare was 46 years old in 1610, when the final version of the new work was completed...bear in mind it wasn't known in 1611 as the "1611" King James Bible...just as the "Authorized Version". When I learned of this point...Shakespeare being 46 years old when the version was finished...I thought that was 'slightly' interesting. So I did some research on it to verify it. There's no recorded date of Shakespeare's birth to be found. Someone this famous in, somewhat, recent history, with no available date or even year of birth...puzzling. But what we do know and is easily verifiable is Shakespeare's date of Christian Baptism...April 26, 1564. This is the date that lands us 46 years later for the completion of the final version of the new Bible. But still...so what? Could the previous be random chance...absolutely...and I figured it probably was.

Several years later, I heard about the 666 chapter count backward landing you on Psalm 46...I did find that interesting primarily because I had heard of the first 46 stuff...actually saw it on TV...and now the "beastly" number showing up some way linked to it...now a little more interesting...but just interesting...not fascinating. Of course, I quickly and easily verified this fact. It was only a short time later when I read on the internet someone making the 666 page count claim leading up to Psalm 46. This time I was skeptical. The first could have been random coincidences, but we're starting to add additional factors to our probability equation at this point. I had to count the pages for my self. And I must say, I was impressed when I landed on Psalm 46 on the 666th page.

This impressed me for several reasons. First and foremost, to me 666 has nothing to do with the end of the world, or a mark people will get, etc. Why? Because I believe the Bible is a collection of myths, allegories, and stories...on the surface. I believe what was important to most all of those who actually wrote these original texts was what we would simply call astrology...and maybe even magic. I do not believe there ever was an Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Solomon,..., Peter, Andrew, John, or Jesus (Just to be blunt about it.). There may have been an enlightened teacher of the day that inspired the allegorical creation of the Gospel "stories"...who knows. But what we do know, from archaeological digs and discoveries is that astrology was important to the Jews, Christians, Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, Sumerians, Egyptians, etc. And they all created great legends to embody their view of "heaven" and "gods"...the constellations and the 7 'known' planets, to include the sun and moon. With that said, to me...in my opinion...666 was a reference to the sum of the magic square of the sun...nothing more, nothing less. The first 7 magic squares have been linked to the 7 planets since the Babylonian times. I believe whoever the original "Hebrews" were, they had gathered all their knowledge of astrology from the Babylonians and possibly the Egyptians...however, I don't believe, and to my knowledge there is no evidence that the Egyptians ever had hoards of Hebrew slaves or that they ever lost a Pharaoh and thousands upon thousands of soldiers in a mass drowning. So, with that said, and of course there is much more that could be said about the veneration of the zodiac and planets, along with their believed magical influences, that's how I view the much revered and feared number 666.

Secondly, the very reputation that 666 has carried throughout the ages is obvious to pretty much any Christian...and to mostly anyone who has been exposed to Christian theology. I did an experiment in my practice a couple of years ago. Over a 2 week period, I asked 220 different patients a simple question: "From the Bible, what one number stands out the most to you in its significance and importance...good, bad, or indifferently?" Out of 220 responses, I received 18 responses of "7", 13 responses of "12", 8 responses of "3", 8 responses of "144,000" and 173 responses of "666". Granted, I live in the 'Bible Belt' and most everyone in this area is a Southern Baptist or other fundamentalist, and the thought of the rapture and Armageddon are somewhat 'present-minded' with many around here, but I believe that 666 has always carried a lot of mystique to it...at least to those who have heard or read the cryptic passage of Rev. 13:18. So............... if I was a clever and witty 'editor-in-chief'...who had (and obviously this is all assumption on my part) what we might call 'initiated knowledge' ...knowledge that the "secret societies" are said to possess of the real meaning of the Bible...allegorical tales, underlying gematria, astrology, myths, legends, etc. and I wanted to leave a witty, encrypted 'pun' behind, hopefully to be discovered one day...maybe even as a pointer or clue as to what the Bible really is and how those who find my encryption will know not to take all this stuff written in the Bible and enforced on the common man to control his thoughts, actions, and money...too seriously...actually, not seriously, I can't think of a better number to 'play around' with than the horrible, evil, and damning number of 666... which is actually nothing more than the sum of the magic square of the sun.

And finally, when I was doing all the page counting and stuff...pondering the plausibility of this really being an encryption based on the magic square of the sun, I came up with another hypothesis to quickly test out. My assumption was, (and this is point #3 that I have yet to mention) if this is really about the magic square of the sun...a pun on it, or whatever you want to call it, then there should...or at least could be...the magic constant of the magic square of the sun encrypted in the Psalm. For those unfamiliar with magic squares, a simple Google search will give you more than you would ever want to know about them, but in general the order of the matrix is the number of rows or columns, each being equal, hence the "square". All the rows, columns, and diagonals must equal the same number, known as the "Magic Constant" ... when either the rows or columns are added up, they equal the "Magic Sum", which in the case of the magic square of the sun, is equal to 666. The magic constant of the sun square is equal to 111. So, to test my hypothesis that all this could be the editor's 'neat and amusing' pun, playing around with that ominous number 666...all pointing to "Shake-spear"...and why Shakespeare, I really don't know...I began with the word "shake" and counted 111 words..."spear"...each inclusive in the count, just as the 46 word count from top and bottom were inclusive of the words, and the 666 page and chapter counts were inclusive of the page and chapter, respectfully.

Imagine that, the one most single verse in the Bible that tells us to count the number of a man's name..."Here is wisdom. Let he that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man's name: and his number is six hundred, three score and six." ...possibly pointing to the name "Shakespeare"...now that's someone with a sense of humor.

There are several other "likely" encryptions in the 1611 KJV that I can go into at another time. One quick and neat one is as follows: The Hebrew word for "adversary" is Strong's Concordance #7854. This Hebrew word is found in the Bible approximately 23 times. The first 8 times it appears (Num 22:22, 32, I Sam 29:4, II Sam 19:22, I Kings 5:4, 11:4, 23, 25), it is translated as "adversary", except in Num 22:32, where the KJV renders it "to withstand". The 9th time it appears is in I Chronicles 21:1, where it is translated as "Satan"...a fairly notable character in the whole good vs evil story...and it continues to be translated "Satan" from that point forward. I Chronicles 21:1 is the 359th chapter in the "Authorized Version"...the gematria of "Satan"...hummm.

What's important to understand is that none of the previous Bibles leading up to the 1611 KJV had I Chronicles, chp. 21, as the 359th chapter...most included or excluded different books, including the Geneva Bible, the Great Bible, Coverdale, Matthew, etc.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Fascinating post RC!

But I think there is a "fly in the ointment." As it turns out, Psalm 46 was translated into English in the Geneva Bible about 51 years before the King James. The ordinal positions of the words are not exactly the same, but they are sufficiently close to show that the pattern was almost already in place long before Shakespeare or Bacon or whoever was on the scene in 1610. The Geneva Bible is available online. The King James follows it very closely. So this indicates to me that there was noone who delierately put this "encryptions" in the KJV in 1611. The pieces were already in place. Therefore, it it wasn't God or some other supernatural agent, I would strongly suspect it to be chance.

Geneva (1560)

KJV (1611)

1 God 2 is 3 our 4 hope 5 and 6 strength, 7 and 8 help 9 in 10 troubles, 11 ready 12 to 13 be 14 found. 15 Therefore 16 will 17 not 18 we 19 fear, 20 though 21 the 22 earth 23 be 24 moved, 25 and 26 though 27 the 28 mountains 29 fall 30 into 31 the 32 midst 33 of 34 the 35 sea. 36 Though 37 the 38 waters 39 thereof 40 rage 41 and 42 be 43 troubled, 44 and 45 the 46 mountains 47 shake 48 at 49 the 50 surges 51 of 52 the 53 same. 54 Selah, 55 Yet 56 there 57 is 58 a 59 River, 60 whose 61 streams 62 shall 63 make 64 glad 65 the 66 city 67 of 68 God: 69 even 70 the 71 Sanctuary 72 of 73 the 74 Tabernacles 75 of 76 the 77 most 78 High. 79 God 80 is 81 in 82 the 83 midst 84 of 85 it: 86 therefore 87 shall 88 it 89 not 90 be 91 moved: 92 God 93 shall 94 help 95 it 96 very 97 early. 98 When 99 the 100 nations 101 raged, 102 and 103 the 104 kingdoms 105 were 106 moved, 107 God 108 thundered, 109 and 110 the 111 earth 112 melted. 113 The 114 Lord 115 of 116 hosts 117 is 118 with 119 us: 120 the 121 God 122 of 123 Jacob 124 is 125 our 126 refuge. 127 Selah. 128 Come, 129 and 130 behold 131 the 132 works 133 of 134 the 135 Lord, 136 what 137 desolations 138 he 139 hath 140 made 141 in 142 the 143 earth. 144 He 145 maketh 146 wars 147 to 148 cease 149 unto 150 the 151 ends 152 of 153 the 154 world: 155 he 156 breaketh 157 the 158 bow 159 and 160 cutteth 161 the 162 spear, 163 and 164 burneth 165 the 166 chariots 167 with 168 fire. 169 Be 170 still 171 and 172 know 173 that 174 I 175 am 176 God: 177 I 178 will 179 be 180 exalted 181 among 182 the 183 heathen, 184 and 185 I 186 will 187 be 188 exalted 189 in 190 the 191 earth. 192 The 193 Lord 194 of 195 hosts 196 is 197 with 198 us: 199 the 200 God 201 of 202 Jacob 203 is 204 our 205 refuge. 206 Selah.

1 God 2 is 3 our 4 refuge 5 and 6 strength, 7 a 8 very 9 present 10 help 11 in 12 trouble. 13 Therefore 14 will 15 not 16 we 17 fear, 18 though 19 the 20 earth 21 be 22 removed, 23 and 24 though 25 the 26 mountains 27 be 28 carried 29 into 30 the 31 midst 32 of 33 the 34 sea; 35 Though 36 the 37 waters 38 thereof 39 roar 40 and 41 be 42 troubled, 43 though 44 the 45 mountains 46 shake 47 with 48 the 49 swelling 50 thereof. 51 Selah. 52 There 53 is 54 a 55 river, 56 the 57 streams 58 whereof 59 shall 60 make 61 glad 62 the 63 city 64 of 65 God, 66 the 67 holy 68 place 69 of 70 the 71 tabernacles 72 of 73 the 74 most 75 High. 76 God 77 is 78 in 79 the 80 midst 81 of 82 her; 83 she 84 shall 85 not 86 be 87 moved: 88 God 89 shall 90 help 91 her, 92 and 93 that 94 right 95 early. 96 The 97 heathen 98 raged, 99 the 100 kingdoms 101 were 102 moved: 103 he 104 uttered 105 his 106 voice, 107 the 108 earth 109 melted. 110 The 111 LORD 112 of 113 hosts 114 is 115 with 116 us; 117 the 118 God 119 of 120 Jacob 121 is 122 our 123 refuge. 124 Selah. 125 Come, 126 behold 127 the 128 works 129 of 130 the 131 LORD, 132 what 133 desolations 134 he 135 hath 136 made 137 in 138 the 139 earth. 140 He 141 maketh 142 wars 143 to 144 cease 145 unto 146 the 147 end 148 of 149 the 150 earth; 151 he 152 breaketh 153 the 154 bow, 155 and 156 cutteth 157 the 158 spear 159 in 160 sunder; 161 he 162 burneth 163 the 164 chariot 165 in 166 the 167 fire. 168 Be 169 still, 170 and 171 know 172 that 173 I 174 am 175 God: 176 I 177 will 178 be 179 exalted 180 among 181 the 182 heathen, 183 I 184 will 185 be 186 exalted 187 in 188 the 189 earth. 190 The 191 LORD 192 of 193 hosts 194 is 195 with 196 us; 197 the 198 God 199 of 200 Jacob 201 is 202 our 203 refuge. 204 Selah.

For those of you interested in how to process texts, here is the javascript html page I wrote to list words with their ordinal positions. You can just run it on your destop (save it as html).

<html>
<script type="text/javascript">
function countem(){
   var elem = document.getElementById("txt");
   var ar = elem.value.split(" ");
   var lst = "";
   var cnt = 1;
   for (i=0;i<ar.length;i++) {
    if ( isNaN(ar[i].toString()) ) {
        lst += "<br />" + cnt.toString() + " " + ar[i].toString();
           cnt++;
    }
}
 
document.getElementById('lulu').innerHTML=lst;
}
</script>
<body>

<input id="txt" name="countbox" type="text">
<Input id="doit" name="doit" type="submit" onclick="countem()"> 

<div id="lulu">
This is where lst will go
</div> 
</body>
</html>

[RC Christian]

Thanks for the time and effort in replying to my post, Richard. And thank you for the excellent insight into how "shake-spear" was present in the Geneva version of Psalm 46, at a similar counting space of 47 words down and 44 words up (note that the count doesn't include the 3 "Selah's" found in the Psalm...for whatever reason, I'm not sure; I didn't 'discover' the Psalm 46 Code). Also, the counting backward from the end of the Geneva Bible to Psalm 46 should achieve the 666 chapter count, the number equal to the Magic Sum of the Magic Square of the Sun. The forward page count from the Title Page of the Geneva Bible will most likely not yield 666 pages upto Psalm 46, but again, this was not my finding, but someone else's. The count between, and inclusive of "shake" and "spear", in the Geneva Bible is 114 words, not the 111 which is the Magic Constant of the Magic Square of the Sun. So...how could Shakespeare even come close to fitting into an encryption in the 1611 KJV...especially, as you pointed out, the same English words were already present in other translations. Honestly, I don't know. I do believe that it would have been the makings of a great opportunity for some clever editor to recognize the "shake" and "spear" in the verse, and to recognize the 666 chapter count backward (if they were into cryptic stuff), and then shuffle a few words around, make the forward page count work, and create something very clever that plays off of the one verse in the Bible that tells us to count the number of a man's name...as a pun/riddle...whatever. While working in the 111 count between words to acknowledge to whoever found the encryption, that the 666 was about the Magic Square of the Sun...not an actual death mark that some people will get one day.

To me, this one type of "coincidence"...actually, I guess this would be called "multiple coincidences"...wouldn't seem as potentially intentional, if I had no reason to believe that other types of encrypting may be going on in the 1611 KJV. For instance, if it wasn't for how "adversary" first becomes "Satan" in I Chron. 21:1...and remains Satan throughout...with this occurring at the 359th chapter, corresponding with the gematria of Satan. Another interesting finding like this occurs in Luke, Chp. 3. To appreciate this one, I think it's important to know that the "extremes" have supposedly been utilized over the ages as 'pointers' for the recognition of those that were 'learned', that a cipher/encryption was present. I was told this by a friend who is a Freemason and he expressed that that was a very important premise to understand. By "extremes", I'm referring to things like: the biggest, the smallest, the youngest, the oldest, the first, the last, etc. Back to Luke, Chapter 3: Here we find one of the 2 different genealogies found in the New Testament on Jesus ancestors. To show an example of an"extreme" pointer being used, we note that in Luke 3:37 we find "Mathusala" listed. I'm sure we all know that the Bible records Mathusala as being the oldest human whoever lived (although, I think that those guys that Jesus was talking to when he said, "there are some of those standing here who will not taste death until they see the Kingdom of God" officially now have Mathusala beat by over 1000 years. The Bible calculates Mathusala's age to be 969 years old. 969 is the 17th tetrahedral number, for anyone interested. Start with Luke Chpt. 3, verse 1, word 1 and "painstakingly" count until you reach the 969th word in the 1611 KJV...Mathusala.

I'll continue to add more to this thread, but I do sincerely thank Richard for what he has pointed out, and I am still turning it in my mind.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

The Bible calculates Mathusala's age to be 969 years old. 969 is the 17th tetrahedral number, for anyone interested. Start with Luke Chpt. 3, verse 1, word 1 and "painstakingly" count until you reach the 969th word in the 1611 KJV...Mathusala.

Wasn't "painstaking" at all! I had my micro-munks do it for me.

It is a striking little "coincidence." Who do you supposed first discovered this? I imagine it must have been very painstaking for them if they did it before computers. I present the evidence here so folks can confirm it for themselves. I can also confirm that "Satan" first occurs in chapter 359, corresponding to the value of that word. But these are just two "hits" out of a book consisting of 31,102 verses, so it is a legitimate question to ask how many such "hits" we should expect from random chance. As it stands, I don't see how "cherry picking" a few examples here or there could prove anything. But I have an open mind and I will continue to check out the evidence you provide.

1 Now
2 in
3 the
4 fifteenth
5 year
6 of
7 the
8 reign
9 of
10 Tiberius
11 Caesar,
12 Pontius
13 Pilate
14 being
15 governor
16 of
17 Judaea,
18 and
19 Herod
20 being
21 tetrarch
22 of
23 Galilee,
24 and
25 his
26 brother
27 Philip
28 tetrarch
29 of
30 Ituraea
31 and
32 of
33 the
34 region
35 of
36 Trachonitis,
37 and
38 Lysanias
39 the
40 tetrarch
41 of
42 Abilene,
43 Annas
44 and
45 Caiaphas
46 being
47 the
48 high
49 priests,
50 the
51 word
52 of
53 God
54 came
55 unto
56 John
57 the
58 son
59 of
60 Zacharias
61 in
62 the
63 wilderness.
64 And
65 he
66 came
67 into
68 all
69 the
70 country
71 about
72 Jordan,
73 preaching
74 the
75 baptism
76 of
77 repentance
78 for
79 the
80 remission
81 of
82 sins;
83 As
84 it
85 is
86 written
87 in
88 the
89 book
90 of
91 the
92 words
93 of
94 Esaias
95 the
96 prophet,
97 saying,
98 The
99 voice
100 of
101 one
102 crying
103 in
104 the
105 wilderness,
106 Prepare
107 ye
108 the
109 way
110 of
111 the
112 Lord,
113 make
114 his
115 paths
116 straight.
117 Every
118 valley
119 shall
120 be
121 filled,
122 and
123 every
124 mountain
125 and
126 hill
127 shall
128 be
129 brought
130 low;
131 and
132 the
133 crooked
134 shall
135 be
136 made
137 straight,
138 and
139 the
140 rough
141 ways
142 shall
143 be
144 made
145 smooth;
146 And
147 all
148 flesh
149 shall
150 see
151 the
152 salvation
153 of
154 God.
155 7 Then
156 said
157 he
158 to
159 the
160 multitude
161 that
162 came
163 forth
164 to
165 be
166 baptized
167 of
168 him,
169 O
170 generation
171 of
172 vipers,
173 who
174 hath
175 warned
176 you
177 to
178 flee
179 from
180 the
181 wrath
182 to
183 come?
184 Bring
185 forth
186 therefore
187 fruits
188 worthy
189 of
190 repentance,
191 and
192 begin
193 not
194 to
195 say
196 within
197 yourselves,
198 We
199 have
200 Abraham
201 to
202 our
203 father:
204 for
205 I
206 say
207 unto
208 you,
209 That
210 God
211 is
212 able
213 of
214 these
215 stones
216 to
217 raise
218 up
219 children
220 unto
221 Abraham.
222 And
223 now
224 also
225 the
226 axe
227 is
228 laid
229 unto
230 the
231 root
232 of
233 the
234 trees:
235 every
236 tree
237 therefore
238 which
239 bringeth
240 not
241 forth
242 good
243 fruit
244 is
245 hewn
246 down,
247 and
248 cast
249 into
250 the
251 fire.
252 10 And
253 the
254 people
255 asked
256 him,
257 saying,
258 What
259 shall
260 we
261 do
262 then?
263 He
264 answereth
265 and
266 saith
267 unto
268 them,
269 He
270 that
271 hath
272 two
273 coats,
274 let
275 him
276 impart
277 to
278 him
279 that
280 hath
281 none;
282 and
283 he
284 that
285 hath
286 meat,
287 let
288 him
289 do
290 likewise.
291 Then
292 came
293 also
294 publicans
295 to
296 be
297 baptized,
298 and
299 said
300 unto
301 him,
302 Master,
303 what
304 shall
305 we
306 do?
307 And
308 he
309 said
310 unto
311 them,
312 Exact
313 no
314 more
315 than
316 that
317 which
318 is
319 appointed
320 you.
321 And
322 the
323 soldiers
324 likewise
325 demanded
326 of
327 him,
328 saying,
329 And
330 what
331 shall
332 we
333 do?
334 And
335 he
336 said
337 unto
338 them,
339 Do
340 violence
341 to
342 no
343 man,
344 neither
345 accuse
346 any
347 falsely;
348 and
349 be
350 content
351 with
352 your
353 wages.
354 15 And
355 as
356 the
357 people
358 were
359 in
360 expectation,
361 and
362 all
363 men
364 mused
365 in
366 their
367 hearts
368 of
369 John,
370 whether
371 he
372 were
373 the
374 Christ,
375 or
376 not;
377 John
378 answered,
379 saying
380 unto
381 them
382 all,
383 I
384 indeed
385 baptize
386 you
387 with
388 water;
389 but
390 one
391 mightier
392 than
393 I
394 cometh,
395 the
396 latchet
397 of
398 whose
399 shoes
400 I
401 am
402 not
403 worthy
404 to
405 unloose:
406 he
407 shall
408 baptize
409 you
410 with
411 the
412 Holy
413 Ghost
414 and
415 with
416 fire:
417 Whose
418 fan
419 is
420 in
421 his
422 hand,
423 and
424 he
425 will
426 throughly
427 purge
428 his
429 floor,
430 and
431 will
432 gather
433 the
434 wheat
435 into
436 his
437 garner;
438 but
439 the
440 chaff
441 he
442 will
443 burn
444 with
445 fire
446 unquenchable.
447 18 And
448 many
449 other
450 things
451 in
452 his
453 exhortation
454 preached
455 he
456 unto
457 the
458 people.
459 But
460 Herod
461 the
462 tetrarch,
463 being
464 reproved
465 by
466 him
467 for
468 Herodias
469 his
470 brother
471 Philip's
472 wife,
473 and
474 for
475 all
476 the
477 evils
478 which
479 Herod
480 had
481 done,
482 Added
483 yet
484 this
485 above
486 all,
487 that
488 he
489 shut
490 up
491 John
492 in
493 prison.
494 21 Now
495 when
496 all
497 the
498 people
499 were
500 baptized,
501 it
502 came
503 to
504 pass,
505 that
506 Jesus
507 also
508 being
509 baptized,
510 and
511 praying,
512 the
513 heaven
514 was
515 opened,
516 And
517 the
518 Holy
519 Ghost
520 descended
521 in
522 a
523 bodily
524 shape
525 like
526 a
527 dove
528 upon
529 him,
530 and
531 a
532 voice
533 came
534 from
535 heaven,
536 which
537 said,
538 Thou
539 art
540 my
541 beloved
542 Son;
543 in
544 thee
545 I
546 am
547 well
548 pleased.
549 23 And
550 Jesus
551 himself
552 began
553 to
554 be
555 about
556 thirty
557 years
558 of
559 age,
560 being
561 (as
562 was
563 supposed)
564 the
565 son
566 of
567 Joseph,
568 which
569 was
570 the
571 son
572 of
573 Heli,
574 Which
575 was
576 the
577 son
578 of
579 Matthat,
580 which
581 was
582 the
583 son
584 of
585 Levi,
586 which
587 was
588 the
589 son
590 of
591 Melchi,
592 which
593 was
594 the
595 son
596 of
597 Janna,
598 which
599 was
600 the
601 son
602 of
603 Joseph,
604 Which
605 was
606 the
607 son
608 of
609 Mattathias,
610 which
611 was
612 the
613 son
614 of
615 Amos,
616 which
617 was
618 the
619 son
620 of
621 Naum,
622 which
623 was
624 the
625 son
626 of
627 Esli,
628 which
629 was
630 the
631 son
632 of
633 Nagge,
634 Which
635 was
636 the
637 son
638 of
639 Maath,
640 which
641 was
642 the
643 son
644 of
645 Mattathias,
646 which
647 was
648 the
649 son
650 of
651 Semei,
652 which
653 was
654 the
655 son
656 of
657 Joseph,
658 which
659 was
660 the
661 son
662 of
663 Juda,
664 Which
665 was
666 the
667 son
668 of
669 Joanna,
670 which
671 was
672 the
673 son
674 of
675 Rhesa,
676 which
677 was
678 the
679 son
680 of
681 Zorobabel,
682 which
683 was
684 the
685 son
686 of
687 Salathiel,
688 which
689 was
690 the
691 son
692 of
693 Neri,
694 Which
695 was
696 the
697 son
698 of
699 Melchi,
700 which
701 was
702 the
703 son
704 of
705 Addi,
706 which
707 was
708 the
709 son
710 of
711 Cosam,
712 which
713 was
714 the
715 son
716 of
717 Elmodam,
718 which
719 was
720 the
721 son
722 of
723 Er,
724 Which
725 was
726 the
727 son
728 of
729 Jose,
730 which
731 was
732 the
733 son
734 of
735 Eliezer,
736 which
737 was
738 the
739 son
740 of
741 Jorim,
742 which
743 was
744 the
745 son
746 of
747 Matthat,
748 which
749 was
750 the
751 son
752 of
753 Levi,
754 Which
755 was
756 the
757 son
758 of
759 Simeon,
760 which
761 was
762 the
763 son
764 of
765 Juda,
766 which
767 was
768 the
769 son
770 of
771 Joseph,
772 which
773 was
774 the
775 son
776 of
777 Jonan,
778 which
779 was
780 the
781 son
782 of
783 Eliakim,
784 Which
785 was
786 the
787 son
788 of
789 Melea,
790 which
791 was
792 the
793 son
794 of
795 Menan,
796 which
797 was
798 the
799 son
800 of
801 Mattatha,
802 which
803 was
804 the
805 son
806 of
807 Nathan,
808 which
809 was
810 the
811 son
812 of
813 David,
814 Which
815 was
816 the
817 son
818 of
819 Jesse,
820 which
821 was
822 the
823 son
824 of
825 Obed,
826 which
827 was
828 the
829 son
830 of
831 Booz,
832 which
833 was
834 the
835 son
836 of
837 Salmon,
838 which
839 was
840 the
841 son
842 of
843 Naasson,
844 Which
845 was
846 the
847 son
848 of
849 Aminadab,
850 which
851 was
852 the
853 son
854 of
855 Aram,
856 which
857 was
858 the
859 son
860 of
861 Esrom,
862 which
863 was
864 the
865 son
866 of
867 Phares,
868 which
869 was
870 the
871 son
872 of
873 Juda,
874 Which
875 was
876 the
877 son
878 of
879 Jacob,
880 which
881 was
882 the
883 son
884 of
885 Isaac,
886 which
887 was
888 the
889 son
890 of
891 Abraham,
892 which
893 was
894 the
895 son
896 of
897 Thara,
898 which
899 was
900 the
901 son
902 of
903 Nachor,
904 Which
905 was
906 the
907 son
908 of
909 Saruch,
910 which
911 was
912 the
913 son
914 of
915 Ragau,
916 which
917 was
918 the
919 son
920 of
921 Phalec,
922 which
923 was
924 the
925 son
926 of
927 Heber,
928 which
929 was
930 the
931 son
932 of
933 Sala,
934 Which
935 was
936 the
937 son
938 of
939 Cainan,
940 which
941 was
942 the
943 son
944 of
945 Arphaxad,
946 which
947 was
948 the
949 son
950 of
951 Sem,
952 which
953 was
954 the
955 son
956 of
957 Noe,
958 which
959 was
960 the
961 son
962 of
963 Lamech,
964 Which
965 was
966 the
967 son
968 of
969 Mathusala

[RC Christian]

Wasn't "painstaking" at all! I had my micro-munks do it for me.

It is a striking little "coincidence." Who do you supposed first discovered this? I imagine it must have been very painstaking for them if they did it before computers. I present the evidence here so folks can confirm it for themselves. I can also confirm that "Satan" first occurs in chapter 359, corresponding to the value of that word. But these are just two "hits" out of a book consisting of 31,102 verses, so it is a legitimate question to ask how many such "hits" we should expect from random chance. As it stands, I don't see how "cherry picking" a few examples here or there could prove anything. But I have an open mind and I will continue to check out the evidence you provide.

1 Now
2 in
3 the
4 fifteenth
5 year
6 of
7 the
8 reign
9 of
10 Tiberius
11 Caesar,
12 Pontius
13 Pilate
14 being
15 governor
16 of
17 Judaea,
18 and
19 Herod
20 being
21 tetrarch
22 of
23 Galilee,
24 and
25 his
26 brother
27 Philip
28 tetrarch
29 of
30 Ituraea
31 and
32 of
33 the
34 region
35 of
36 Trachonitis,
37 and
38 Lysanias
39 the
40 tetrarch
41 of
42 Abilene,
43 Annas
44 and
45 Caiaphas
46 being
47 the
48 high
49 priests,
50 the
51 word
52 of
53 God
54 came
55 unto
56 John
57 the
58 son
59 of
60 Zacharias
61 in
62 the
63 wilderness.
64 And
65 he
66 came
67 into
68 all
69 the
70 country
71 about
72 Jordan,
73 preaching
74 the
75 baptism
76 of
77 repentance
78 for
79 the
80 remission
81 of
82 sins;
83 As
84 it
85 is
86 written
87 in
88 the
89 book
90 of
91 the
92 words
93 of
94 Esaias
95 the
96 prophet,
97 saying,
98 The
99 voice
100 of
101 one
102 crying
103 in
104 the
105 wilderness,
106 Prepare
107 ye
108 the
109 way
110 of
111 the
112 Lord,
113 make
114 his
115 paths
116 straight.
117 Every
118 valley
119 shall
120 be
121 filled,
122 and
123 every
124 mountain
125 and
126 hill
127 shall
128 be
129 brought
130 low;
131 and
132 the
133 crooked
134 shall
135 be
136 made
137 straight,
138 and
139 the
140 rough
141 ways
142 shall
143 be
144 made
145 smooth;
146 And
147 all
148 flesh
149 shall
150 see
151 the
152 salvation
153 of
154 God.
155 7 Then
156 said
157 he
158 to
159 the
160 multitude
161 that
162 came
163 forth
164 to
165 be
166 baptized
167 of
168 him,
169 O
170 generation
171 of
172 vipers,
173 who
174 hath
175 warned
176 you
177 to
178 flee
179 from
180 the
181 wrath
182 to
183 come?
184 Bring
185 forth
186 therefore
187 fruits
188 worthy
189 of
190 repentance,
191 and
192 begin
193 not
194 to
195 say
196 within
197 yourselves,
198 We
199 have
200 Abraham
201 to
202 our
203 father:
204 for
205 I
206 say
207 unto
208 you,
209 That
210 God
211 is
212 able
213 of
214 these
215 stones
216 to
217 raise
218 up
219 children
220 unto
221 Abraham.
222 And
223 now
224 also
225 the
226 axe
227 is
228 laid
229 unto
230 the
231 root
232 of
233 the
234 trees:
235 every
236 tree
237 therefore
238 which
239 bringeth
240 not
241 forth
242 good
243 fruit
244 is
245 hewn
246 down,
247 and
248 cast
249 into
250 the
251 fire.
252 10 And
253 the
254 people
255 asked
256 him,
257 saying,
258 What
259 shall
260 we
261 do
262 then?
263 He
264 answereth
265 and
266 saith
267 unto
268 them,
269 He
270 that
271 hath
272 two
273 coats,
274 let
275 him
276 impart
277 to
278 him
279 that
280 hath
281 none;
282 and
283 he
284 that
285 hath
286 meat,
287 let
288 him
289 do
290 likewise.
291 Then
292 came
293 also
294 publicans
295 to
296 be
297 baptized,
298 and
299 said
300 unto
301 him,
302 Master,
303 what
304 shall
305 we
306 do?
307 And
308 he
309 said
310 unto
311 them,
312 Exact
313 no
314 more
315 than
316 that
317 which
318 is
319 appointed
320 you.
321 And
322 the
323 soldiers
324 likewise
325 demanded
326 of
327 him,
328 saying,
329 And
330 what
331 shall
332 we
333 do?
334 And
335 he
336 said
337 unto
338 them,
339 Do
340 violence
341 to
342 no
343 man,
344 neither
345 accuse
346 any
347 falsely;
348 and
349 be
350 content
351 with
352 your
353 wages.
354 15 And
355 as
356 the
357 people
358 were
359 in
360 expectation,
361 and
362 all
363 men
364 mused
365 in
366 their
367 hearts
368 of
369 John,
370 whether
371 he
372 were
373 the
374 Christ,
375 or
376 not;
377 John
378 answered,
379 saying
380 unto
381 them
382 all,
383 I
384 indeed
385 baptize
386 you
387 with
388 water;
389 but
390 one
391 mightier
392 than
393 I
394 cometh,
395 the
396 latchet
397 of
398 whose
399 shoes
400 I
401 am
402 not
403 worthy
404 to
405 unloose:
406 he
407 shall
408 baptize
409 you
410 with
411 the
412 Holy
413 Ghost
414 and
415 with
416 fire:
417 Whose
418 fan
419 is
420 in
421 his
422 hand,
423 and
424 he
425 will
426 throughly
427 purge
428 his
429 floor,
430 and
431 will
432 gather
433 the
434 wheat
435 into
436 his
437 garner;
438 but
439 the
440 chaff
441 he
442 will
443 burn
444 with
445 fire
446 unquenchable.
447 18 And
448 many
449 other
450 things
451 in
452 his
453 exhortation
454 preached
455 he
456 unto
457 the
458 people.
459 But
460 Herod
461 the
462 tetrarch,
463 being
464 reproved
465 by
466 him
467 for
468 Herodias
469 his
470 brother
471 Philip's
472 wife,
473 and
474 for
475 all
476 the
477 evils
478 which
479 Herod
480 had
481 done,
482 Added
483 yet
484 this
485 above
486 all,
487 that
488 he
489 shut
490 up
491 John
492 in
493 prison.
494 21 Now
495 when
496 all
497 the
498 people
499 were
500 baptized,
501 it
502 came
503 to
504 pass,
505 that
506 Jesus
507 also
508 being
509 baptized,
510 and
511 praying,
512 the
513 heaven
514 was
515 opened,
516 And
517 the
518 Holy
519 Ghost
520 descended
521 in
522 a
523 bodily
524 shape
525 like
526 a
527 dove
528 upon
529 him,
530 and
531 a
532 voice
533 came
534 from
535 heaven,
536 which
537 said,
538 Thou
539 art
540 my
541 beloved
542 Son;
543 in
544 thee
545 I
546 am
547 well
548 pleased.
549 23 And
550 Jesus
551 himself
552 began
553 to
554 be
555 about
556 thirty
557 years
558 of
559 age,
560 being
561 (as
562 was
563 supposed)
564 the
565 son
566 of
567 Joseph,
568 which
569 was
570 the
571 son
572 of
573 Heli,
574 Which
575 was
576 the
577 son
578 of
579 Matthat,
580 which
581 was
582 the
583 son
584 of
585 Levi,
586 which
587 was
588 the
589 son
590 of
591 Melchi,
592 which
593 was
594 the
595 son
596 of
597 Janna,
598 which
599 was
600 the
601 son
602 of
603 Joseph,
604 Which
605 was
606 the
607 son
608 of
609 Mattathias,
610 which
611 was
612 the
613 son
614 of
615 Amos,
616 which
617 was
618 the
619 son
620 of
621 Naum,
622 which
623 was
624 the
625 son
626 of
627 Esli,
628 which
629 was
630 the
631 son
632 of
633 Nagge,
634 Which
635 was
636 the
637 son
638 of
639 Maath,
640 which
641 was
642 the
643 son
644 of
645 Mattathias,
646 which
647 was
648 the
649 son
650 of
651 Semei,
652 which
653 was
654 the
655 son
656 of
657 Joseph,
658 which
659 was
660 the
661 son
662 of
663 Juda,
664 Which
665 was
666 the
667 son
668 of
669 Joanna,
670 which
671 was
672 the
673 son
674 of
675 Rhesa,
676 which
677 was
678 the
679 son
680 of
681 Zorobabel,
682 which
683 was
684 the
685 son
686 of
687 Salathiel,
688 which
689 was
690 the
691 son
692 of
693 Neri,
694 Which
695 was
696 the
697 son
698 of
699 Melchi,
700 which
701 was
702 the
703 son
704 of
705 Addi,
706 which
707 was
708 the
709 son
710 of
711 Cosam,
712 which
713 was
714 the
715 son
716 of
717 Elmodam,
718 which
719 was
720 the
721 son
722 of
723 Er,
724 Which
725 was
726 the
727 son
728 of
729 Jose,
730 which
731 was
732 the
733 son
734 of
735 Eliezer,
736 which
737 was
738 the
739 son
740 of
741 Jorim,
742 which
743 was
744 the
745 son
746 of
747 Matthat,
748 which
749 was
750 the
751 son
752 of
753 Levi,
754 Which
755 was
756 the
757 son
758 of
759 Simeon,
760 which
761 was
762 the
763 son
764 of
765 Juda,
766 which
767 was
768 the
769 son
770 of
771 Joseph,
772 which
773 was
774 the
775 son
776 of
777 Jonan,
778 which
779 was
780 the
781 son
782 of
783 Eliakim,
784 Which
785 was
786 the
787 son
788 of
789 Melea,
790 which
791 was
792 the
793 son
794 of
795 Menan,
796 which
797 was
798 the
799 son
800 of
801 Mattatha,
802 which
803 was
804 the
805 son
806 of
807 Nathan,
808 which
809 was
810 the
811 son
812 of
813 David,
814 Which
815 was
816 the
817 son
818 of
819 Jesse,
820 which
821 was
822 the
823 son
824 of
825 Obed,
826 which
827 was
828 the
829 son
830 of
831 Booz,
832 which
833 was
834 the
835 son
836 of
837 Salmon,
838 which
839 was
840 the
841 son
842 of
843 Naasson,
844 Which
845 was
846 the
847 son
848 of
849 Aminadab,
850 which
851 was
852 the
853 son
854 of
855 Aram,
856 which
857 was
858 the
859 son
860 of
861 Esrom,
862 which
863 was
864 the
865 son
866 of
867 Phares,
868 which
869 was
870 the
871 son
872 of
873 Juda,
874 Which
875 was
876 the
877 son
878 of
879 Jacob,
880 which
881 was
882 the
883 son
884 of
885 Isaac,
886 which
887 was
888 the
889 son
890 of
891 Abraham,
892 which
893 was
894 the
895 son
896 of
897 Thara,
898 which
899 was
900 the
901 son
902 of
903 Nachor,
904 Which
905 was
906 the
907 son
908 of
909 Saruch,
910 which
911 was
912 the
913 son
914 of
915 Ragau,
916 which
917 was
918 the
919 son
920 of
921 Phalec,
922 which
923 was
924 the
925 son
926 of
927 Heber,
928 which
929 was
930 the
931 son
932 of
933 Sala,
934 Which
935 was
936 the
937 son
938 of
939 Cainan,
940 which
941 was
942 the
943 son
944 of
945 Arphaxad,
946 which
947 was
948 the
949 son
950 of
951 Sem,
952 which
953 was
954 the
955 son
956 of
957 Noe,
958 which
959 was
960 the
961 son
962 of
963 Lamech,
964 Which
965 was
966 the
967 son
968 of
969 Mathusala

Man I wish I knew how to do the computer stuff I've seen you do! Thank you for the open-mindedness... and thank you for verifing the "Satan" chapter/gematria count of 359. You have to toss in a minuscule of "more coincidence" that this is chapter is also the turning point for "adversary" to "Satan", right...just a little bit?

JACOB(182) + ADVERSARY(359) = ISRAEL(541) Genesis chp. 32 ...first appearance of "ISRAEL" after JACOB wrestled all night with a "man" (or something)...definitely something adversarial...have you ever tried to wrestle with someone all night long...now that's an adversary!

(I just had to slip that one in...just for fun.)

"The open-minded see the Truth in different things: the closed-minded see only the differences."
~ Anonymous

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Man I wish I knew how to do the computer stuff I've seen you do! Thank you for the open-mindedness... and thank you for verifing the "Satan" chapter/gematria count of 359. You have to toss in a minuscule of "more coincidence" that this is chapter is also the turning point for "adversary" to "Satan", right...just a little bit?

JACOB(182) + ADVERSARY(359) = ISRAEL(541) Genesis chp. 32 ...first appearance of "ISRAEL" after JACOB wrestled all night with a "man" (or something)...definitely something adversarial...have you ever tried to wrestle with someone all night long...now that's an adversary!

(I just had to slip that one in...just for fun.)

"The open-minded see the Truth in different things: the closed-minded see only the differences."
~ Anonymous

Good morning RC,

When I was in the midst of the indepth study that led to the Bible Wheel and this site, I would record every connection I could find in the Bible. I was always on the lookout for correlations between the sequences of book, chapters, and verses and the content they contained. Some of the correlations are very obvious and seem very significant, like the correlation between the 66 chapters of Isaiah and the 66 books of the Bible which I've documented in the section called the Isaiah-Bible Correlation. There are some truly astounding correlations that look like mathematical projections from a 3D Bible onto a 2D "plane" of Isaiah. For example:

Isaiah Chapter 45, Verse 9
Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let
the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him
that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

Bible Book 45, Chapter 9
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against
God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou
made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make
one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Taking the book, chapter, and verse numbers as the coordinates for points in 3D space, we can project from the verse in "3D Bible space" onto the "2D Isaiah space" where I write Romans 9:20 = P_Bible(45, 9 , 20) and Isaiah 45:9 = P_Isaiah(45,9):



I found about a dozen "first order projective links" like this. And some are KeyLinks whcih means that they involve words and phrases that occur nowhere else in the Bible, so they are both unique and mathematically related as an object to the shadow it casts. For example, the phrase "that ye may know and believe" occurs in two and only two verses of the KJV:

Isaiah Chapter 43, Verse 10	Bible Book 43, Chapter 10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.	If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Patterns like this convinced me that a supernatural agent - the God of Christian theism - deliberately designed these features into the text. I felt that there was no other possible expanation, especially since the links themselves seemed designed to convince a person to "know and believe" the Bible, and to not argue with the Creator.

And so I have a very open mind to patterns like those you present. But I also am very skeptical of things that look like "mere coincidence." As I hope you will note, I tend to look for sytematic patterns that clearly are not the result of chance. The kinds of patterns that you are showing don't strike me that way. I have not found any systematic correlations between word values and first occurrences like Satan (359) first appearing in Bible chapter 359. What I see looks like a collection of confetti. One kind of coincidence here, a different kind there. This is not convincing at all to a person who knows and understands the meaning of "cherry picking."

Let me explain the problem. There is an effectively unlimited number of possible correlations to look for. Take as an example the list of words and numbers we have from Luke 3:1. There is only one "hit" out of 969 numbers and names in that list. Given the signficance of repdigits like 111, 666, 888 in Bible numerics, one would think there should be some links based on those numbers. But when we look, this is what we see:

111 the
222 And
333 do
444 with
555 about
666 the
777 Jonah
888 the

Well, that looks pretty random. And when I look for any other correlations, I don't see any. So this whole list of 969 words paired with numbers looks like a random list with one coincidence. Should we be impressed with that?

This exemplifies the fundamental problem with an unprincipled approach to "patterns in the Bible." An unprincipled approach easily leads to the illusion that there are significant deliberately designed patterns when there are really only random coincidences. How many such coincidences should we expext to find in any book? If you can't answer that question, then you will have no basis in fact for your intution of the significance of the patterns you have found.

It's like the Shakespeare thing. When first presented it seems like "Wow - that must have been deliberately designed." But then we think about it we recall that the pieces were alreadly almost in place before Shakespeare was born, so if it was designed it must have been designed by a superatural agent who knew the future, or the folks who did design it in 1610 were very lucky to find the pieces almost in place so they could adjust them to fit their patther. But that returns us to "mere coincidence" as the antecedent cause.

This brings me to the mystery that currently holds my attention. The pattern of the Bible Wheel is unlike anything ever seen in any of these "Bible patterns" that folks have been fascinated with for so many years. It really does stand up under close scrutiny as a pattern that demands explanation. But I have none! It is simply impossible to attribute it to the deliberate design of any human or group of humans, and netiher do I believe in the God of traditional Christian theism. So I am confronted with a mystery.

I would be most grateful if anyone has any insight to offer as to what this could all mean.