Hi all,
I am so stupid sometimes. I have long known the importance of the number 17 concerning the Vision/awareness that joseph had. It was his 17th birthday when his "Father" gave him the coat.
Joseph was a dreamer and an interpreter of dreams, but never took the credit.
He said, "interpretation belongs to God," and "God will give the interpretation."
Anyway, I began actively looking in the data base last night and found a few things very quickly.
I didn't know whether this subject matter would fit better with the Looking for Dumbo thread or this one.
I guess it doesn't matter all that much. In both threads we are talking about the realm of dreams, visions and synchronicities and the illumination of those manifestations from "Above." From the Father.
That was Joseph's interpretation.
Some of the things I have gotten from this over the years: that it is the second aspect of Baptism. Air.
That without the "marriage" of Christ Consciousness (Tipareth) with the sea of symbolism (Yesod) there is the conundrum of where the messages are coming from.
That the realization of where they are coming from leads us to the inevitable conclusion that we are sons of God.
And that the "windows of heaven (baptism) have been opened up so that a blessing so great we cannot recieve it is being poured out.
So let's look at 17.
דגי
Dag, Fish which is what we are looking at here. The coin from the mouth of a fish being lifted out of water into air.
Ge 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Ge 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
So, not only were the "windows of heaven" opened on the seventeenth day, but the ark came to "Rest" on that same day, the 17th, 5 months later. And there was "rest" but not only that, Noah was set down on a higher level of ground than he had been lifted up from.
Our world is not quite the same after an experience like that. But without the knowledge of where the information (through dreams visions and reafirmations/sychronicities) is coming from, it is not a pleasant experience. That is the crow let out the "window" (single eye, third eye chakra) in the top of the Ark.
With the knowledge of where the messages are coming from (Joseph's knowing that interpretations belong to God) it is Reat and peace. This is the dove (air) returning with the olive branch (the promise of anointing and fire from the olive oil)
Ge 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud (170) over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
Ge 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
This is interesting because cloud is Ayin, Nun, Nun = 170.
Paul speaks of being surrounded by so great a "cloud of witnesses."
And Jesus is supposed to come in clouds...
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And the cloud has a voice. And what does the voice say??
Mr 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Now a cloud is a mixture of Air and Water and as such it is also a symbolism that matches the fish coming out of water with a "token."
1co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
So we see that the cloud is also a symbol of baptism, but different than the baptism in the sea as it says "AND in the sea..."
So is this "cloud of witnesses" actually messengers, angels that are pointing us to the same conclusion that Joseph came to???
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Certainly Paul is speaking about the faithful witnesses in the Old Testament but he is also speaking about things "unseen" because that is how he begins the chapter.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Wouldn't that "substance" be in the Realm of Joseph? The "stuff" that dreams are made of?
And aren't those things "Unseen" to those who will not see?
And haven't we seen this great "cloud of witnesses" in these threads lately?
Looking for Dumbo, Matthew 17, Duet 29:29, and, in fact the whole bible wheel forum.
17 is 8 when added together.
As above, so below.
It is the day after the Sabbath, when things are revealed.
Jesus was discovered risen on the day after the sabbath.
Pentecost happened the day after seven sabbaths. 7x7+1=50
The coat of many colors is a pillar of fire, but it is also a pillar of clouds. It is the witness that we are sons of God and it is a sign of inheritance.
So seeing we are compassed about with so great a "Cloud" of witnesses in sychronicities and bible verses and each others experiences and findings and coincidences, we should run the race with patience knowing that Jesus will manifest himself through these clouds in greater, deeper and more glorious ways as we watch these amazing happenings unfold around us.
Knowing that he comes in clouds and he comes a second time to those that look for him.
Keeping in mind that the thing he said to the twelve also applies to us.
Mr 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Mr 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Mr 13:36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mr 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
This idea of a porter is someone who stands on the threshold. An experience that is part this and part that. A "threshold experience."
I ran across this last night.
Ps 84:10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
Lazarus "came forth" and stood in the threshold when risen from the Dead.
When Jesus was risen the angel at the threshold of the tomb said, "Why seek ye the living among the dead?"
When Elijah stood at the opening of the cave, he heard the still small voice.
So, as porters in the House of God we are to stand and watch.
Bob





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