Hey there kathryn,
Originally Posted by kathryn
That's a very elaborate theory you have going there! But where did you get your initial idea about the spirit as a "downpayment" of a future "fuller" filling. When Paul talked about the spirit as an "earnest" or "downpayment" he was talking about being presently filled with the Spirit as an earnest of a future bodily redemption.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.The meaning of the "earnest" of the spirit and its relation to the "redemption of the body" is confirmed in 2 Corinthians:
Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle [physical body] were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
Where do you get the idea that believers are not now filled with the Spirit? The Bible constantly talks about believers being filled with the Holy Spirit:
Acts 2:4 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.Why do you say they were not really filled?
And when you wrote "50 x 40" were you hinting at 2000 years after Christ as indicating some big end time event is going to happen sometime soon?