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    Quote Originally Posted by CWH View Post
    When did they see the Son of MAn coming in His kingdom? Any historical records to confirm?.....or did they came invisibly and secretly? "There are some standing here" means that the people who believed and who were with him there will receive eternal life when He come with His kingdom. Obviously, some people standing there who did not believe Him will not receive eternal life.

    God Blessed us all.
    First lets get a better understanding of how Jesus used the term Son of man. Yes indeed Jesus applied that term to himself as can be founded in comparing scriptures where they parallel with 'Son of man' to that of 'I' and 'Me' of idiom. There are also cases where that is not the case. In these cases like that of Daniel 7 where one like the son of man came with the clouds of heaven. Within the scope of Daniel, the 'son of man' figure is solely invisioned to be 'the saints of the Most High'. The four beasts are personifications of four pagan nations: Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, and Syria. The son of man is not an individual, it is the personification of a single nation: Israel.

    The image of the 'son of man' is given to Israel to exemplify the nation's role as modelling 'true humanity' to the Gentile nations. True humanity is righteous, obedient to God, and within the scope of Daniel's vision, this is what Israel fulfills through its faithful endurance during the persecution of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, and hence the application of the 'son of man' image. For the 'son of man' to 'come on the clouds of heaven' is explained in Daniel 7 itself to signify God's vindication of the persecuted saints. They overcome their wicked, beastly oppressors through their faithfulness to God.


    Thus Jesus reapplies Daniel's image of the 'son of man' for Israel to himself. He is true humanity. Jesus suffered oppression and persecution from the corrupt religious leaders, culminating in pagan Rome and apostate Israel crucifying him. Jesus and the Apostles already know that Daniel 7 was about events in their past. They are not claiming that Daniel 7 was a prediction about Jesus. What they are doing is using the image of Israel being vindicated by God (the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven) in midrash for Jesus and his saints vindication by God. Some standing there would live to see the vindication and judgment upon that wicked generation.
    Beck

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    When did they see the Son of MAn coming in His kingdom? Any historical records to confirm?.....or did they came invisibly and secretly? "There are some standing here" means that the people who believed and who were with him there will receive eternal life when He come with His kingdom. Obviously, some people standing there who did not believe Him will not receive eternal life.

    God Blessed us all.
    2012 years and still counting...some things will never change Cheow. Will you?

    Joe
    Israel is more than just a race; it is more than just a nation; it is the people of God, from faith, by faith, and only faith. Those who assemble in the name of Christ Jesus, embrance Israel because they are Israel

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