Beyond Brutality

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Read carefully, In the last 50 years, the United States has promoted, financed and participated in over 200 incursions and 20 separate wars!!

Since the WW2 America has participated in every war, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!
Do not think that I'm against the people of America, but against their government. I don't like their politic at all.

Here you have the source:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle4068.htm

Thanks for the source, but it contradicted your claims by a factor of 100! Here is what it says about the US involvement in the Angolan civil war:

In summary about Angola, without U.S. intervention, 10,000 people would be alive that were killed in the thing. The outcome might have been peaceful, or at least much less bloody. The MPLA was winning when we went in, and they went ahead and won, which was, according to our consul, the best thing for the country.

You claimed that the USA killed 1,000,000 people in Angola. That's a hundred times larger than the number given in your "source." And besides that, the US didn't even kill those people directly, they were merely helping one side of the conflict. I don't know anything about that conflict so I can't say if it was right or wrong.

The more you write the more it seems like you are just spewing out anti-American and anti-Western propaganda from a fundamentalist Muslim perspective. What's up with that? Don't you care about truth? Don't you realize that you will never convince anyone if you post falsehoods?

Now don't get me wrong. I know that the USA has been used by a lot of unscrupulous people for their personal gain, and they have gotten us into wars we never should have been in. And they have caused a lot of problems in the Muslim countries. But I also know that the Muslim dictatorships and the Muslim fundamentalists have done a lot of very bad things too. I think it would be great for us to discuss these things in a fair and balanced way, which means you should quit posting things that are biased and false.

[culi26]

Thanks for the source, but it contradicted your claims by a factor of 100! Here is what it says about the US involvement in the Angolan civil war:

In summary about Angola, without U.S. intervention, 10,000 people would be alive that were killed in the thing. The outcome might have been peaceful, or at least much less bloody. The MPLA was winning when we went in, and they went ahead and won, which was, according to our consul, the best thing for the country.

You claimed that the USA killed 1,000,000 people in Angola. That's a hundred times larger than the number given in your "source." And besides that, the US didn't even kill those people directly, they were merely helping one side of the conflict. I don't know anything about that conflict so I can't say if it was right or wrong.

That was not something I was claiming, but Western people! I gave you the sources, so if you think this is not true blame them!
There are many ways that USA encourages wars between two nations! If you have seen the video you will understand what I'm talking about!

The more you write the more it seems like you are just spewing out anti-American and anti-Western propaganda from a fundamentalist Muslim perspective. What's up with that? Don't you care about truth? Don't you realize that you will never convince anyone if you post falsehoods?

You think I'm posting falsehood?? No problem! But you will understand soon what is falsehood!

I'm not AGAINST the people of America, but AGAINST their LEADERS! This is something different! I hate their politics!
It's time that THEY stop playing the role of God! They can keep their democracy inside their territory, but wishing to impose their democracy is wrong! Or you think I'm wrong!
Maybe you're asking yourself: "What's wrong with OUR Democracy?!
There are nations who dreams about the democracy of America, so send them this democracy!

Now don't get me wrong. I know that the USA has been used by a lot of unscrupulous people for their personal gain, and they have gotten us into wars we never should have been in.

I'm glad to hear that, but that's not justification for what YOUR LEADERS have done!

"What goes around comes around!"

And they have caused a lot of problems in the Muslim countries. But I also know that the Muslim dictatorships and the Muslim fundamentalists have done a lot of very bad things too. I think it would be great for us to discuss these things in a fair and balanced way, which means you should quit posting things that are biased and false.

I agree with you! I look biased because the world was just great until the 11 September! And that is the starting point of this conflicts!

I repeat, if you're considering my posts false than you have to search more, because what I post is based on the researches of Western analysts! Not mine!

[Richard Amiel McGough]

That was not something I was claiming, but Western people! I gave you the sources, so if you think this is not true blame them!
There are many ways that USA encourages wars between two nations! If you have seen the video you will understand what I'm talking about!

You are responsible for posting things without checking if they were true. It is your responsibility to check the facts before you post things.

And speaking of who encourages war - that's what most if not all of the Muslim nations do when they stir up the Muslims to destroy Israel. Just think of all the good the Muslim dictators could do with the trillions of dollars they get for the oil. Do they help their own people? Do they help Muslims live better lives? Nope. They buy gold toilets and stir up war.

You think I'm posting falsehood?? No problem! But you will understand soon what is falsehood!

I don't "think" you posted falsehood, I proved you did. I showed that the sources YOU posted contradicted themselves by a factor of 100. Don't you care about truth? Do you really think anyone will believe anything you write if you post falsehoods?

I'm not AGAINST the people of America, but AGAINST their LEADERS! This is something different! I hate their politics!
It's time that THEY stop playing the role of God! They can keep their democracy inside their territory, but wishing to impose their democracy is wrong! Or you think I'm wrong!
Maybe you're asking yourself: "What's wrong with OUR Democracy?!
There are nations who dreams about the democracy of America, so send them this democracy!

I totally agree with you on this. The USA should not be interfering with other governments. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost more than 4 trillion dollars. Do you know what we could have done with that much money? We could have helped them build their infrastructure rather than destroy it. We could have helped them build a better country with schools and water and agriculture so they people could be happy and healthy. We could have been helping friends rather than destructive enemies. So I agree that our leaders are just like your leaders in this regard. They don't care about the welfare of the people. All they care about is money and power. But this is true on both sides of the conflict.

What I don't understand is why you think all the blame belongs to the West. Look at the condition of women in Muslim countries. In Afghanistan they can't even get educated and in Saudi Arabia that can't even drive a car. And the Muslim countries imprison and kill people who want to be free and quit Islam. It is like a huge religious cult. The people in Muslim countries are in deep bondage.

I'm glad to hear that, but that's not justification for what YOUR LEADERS have done!

And what about YOUR LEADERS? Your bias against the west makes no sense. It is unjustified. You should be complaining about all the problems in your country too.

"What goes around comes around!"

Yes it does. So you might want to think about the kind of stuff that you are spreading around.

And they have caused a lot of problems in the Muslim countries. But I also know that the Muslim dictatorships and the Muslim fundamentalists have done a lot of very bad things too. I think it would be great for us to discuss these things in a fair and balanced way, which means you should quit posting things that are biased and false.

I agree with you! I look biased because the world was just great until the 11 September! And that is the starting point of this conflicts!

I'm glad we can agree about some of these things. But you are wrong when you say it all started with 9/11. The conflicts that led to 9/11 have been going on for fifty years or more. And the Muslim leaders are responsible in a big way because they keep preaching hatred against the Jews and the West.

I repeat, if you're considering my posts false than you have to search more, because what I post is based on the researches of Western analysts! Not mine!

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I did search. That's how I found out your claim that the USA killed 1,000,000 Angolans is not true.

The fact that you picked a "western analyst" means nothing. How could you say such a ridiculous thing? You chose a LIBERAL western analyst. You would get very different information if you quoted a conservative western analyst. The fact that you don't know this shows that you are just posting cherry picked "facts" to support your extreme anti-Western bias. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to check your facts and make sure they stand up under scrutiny.

All the best,

Richard