Yahweh and Hitler?

[Rose]

Has anyone ever noticed these similarities?

Here is a short list showing an eerie set of comparisons between the god of the Bible 'Yahweh' and Hitler.

Yahweh

• Picks a people and calls them chosen.
• Deems other races inferior and commands their slaughter.
• Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Jews and another set for the Gentiles.

Hitler

• Picks the Arian race and calls them chosen.
• Deems the Jewish race inferior and commands their slaughter.
• Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Arians and another for the Jews.

Kinda scary!

Rose

[CWH]

Has anyone ever noticed these similarities?

Here is a short list showing an eerie set of comparisons between the god of the Bible 'Yahweh' and Hitler.

Yahweh

• Picks a people and calls them chosen.
• Deems other races inferior and commands their slaughter.
• Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Jews and another set for the Gentiles.

Hitler

• Picks the Arian race and calls them chosen.
• Deems the Jewish race inferior and commands their slaughter.
• Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Arians and another for the Jews.

Kinda scary!

Rose

Your post is too myopic. The same logic can be applied to many situations:

Romans:
Picks a people (of Rome) and calls them elite.
Deems other races inferior and conquers them.
Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for its subjects.

Some super-powerful countries:
Allow selected people to be their citizens
Deems other countries as weak and help to kill their enemies
Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for non-citizens.

Saddam:
Picks his trusted families and loyalists and call them elite
Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
Applies one set of standards for his elites and another for his citizens.

Osama:
Picks his trusted loyalists and call them elite
Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
Applies one set of standards for terrorists and another for non-terrorists.


God Blessings to all.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Your post is too myopic. The same logic can be applied to many situations:

Romans:
Picks a people (of Rome) and calls them elite.
Deems other races inferior and conquers them.
Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for its subjects.

Some super-powerful countries:
Allow selected people to be their citizens
Deems other countries as weak and help to kill their enemies
Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for non-citizens.

Saddam:
Picks his trusted families and loyalists and call them elite
Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
Applies one set of standards for his elites and another for his citizens.

Osama:
Picks his trusted loyalists and call them elite
Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
Applies one set of standards for terrorists and another for non-terrorists.


God Blessings to all.

Too myopic? Are you saying that Rose should have compared Yahweh with all the murderous tyrants of history?

[Rose]

Your post is too myopic. The same logic can be applied to many situations:

Romans:
Picks a people (of Rome) and calls them elite.
Deems other races inferior and conquers them.
Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for its subjects.

Some super-powerful countries:
Allow selected people to be their citizens
Deems other countries as weak and help to kill their enemies
Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for non-citizens.

Saddam:
Picks his trusted families and loyalists and call them elite
Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
Applies one set of standards for his elites and another for his citizens.

Osama:
Picks his trusted loyalists and call them elite
Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
Applies one set of standards for terrorists and another for non-terrorists.


God Blessings to all.

Yes, I suppose it is, but if I made a list of all the tyrants in history to compare Yahweh to, I wouldn't have enough room to fit them all into a post...

All the Best,
Rose

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

Has anyone ever noticed these similarities?

Here is a short list showing an eerie set of comparisons between the god of the Bible “Yahweh” and Hitler.

Yahweh

• Picks a people and calls them chosen.
• Deems other races inferior and commands their slaughter.
• Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Jews and another set for the Gentiles.

Hitler

• Picks the Arian race and calls them chosen.
• Deems the Jewish race inferior and commands their slaughter.
• Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Arians and another for the Jews.

Kinda scary!

Rose

Yes, I've thought of this close analogy that perpetuates due to peoples [christian zionist] indoctrinations about Israel. It's a false perspective perpetuated by the Zionists themselves and by the scofield reference bible. But they are not biblical nor reflect God's perspective.

Thus, I think it's your perceptions, false understandings and interpretations about God's perspective and temporary purposes with Israel that it is at fault; and not God's perspectives and temporary purposes.

Your accusations against God of being 'racist' are unfounded and a result of the dispensational interpretations. This is what I mentioned to Richard a few times.

Yahweh's choosing of a national Israel was temporal, and for temporary purposes while the knowledge about God and the proof of his entity, his freedom, his will and existence to a free-willed man was being developed; and it was stated by Yahweh himself to be not the good way [after Christ's coming][Is 65:2; Ez 36:21] Hebrews says If the 'first [national] covenant' had been faultless, there would have been no reason for the 'second'.. [the fulfillment of the everlasting covenant of Love and Mercy individually received, called "new" in contrast with the Mosaic 'old', first covenant.]


The 'latter days' of the God's temporary administration through the descendants of Jacob were even declared by Jacob himself in Gen 49. This refutes the idea of Israel being a superior race.

Contrary to your assertion, other races weren't 'inferior' but were influenced by Babylonian religions, which was then also the analogy of Jerusalem after the cross according to Revelation... Babylon the great [Jerusalem] has fallen....

Read Deut 9.

3Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.

4Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.

5Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

6Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.

7Remember, and forget not, how thou provokedst the LORD thy God to wrath in the wilderness: from the day that thou didst depart out of the land of Egypt, until ye came unto this place, ye have been rebellious against the LORD.

8Also in Horeb ye provoked the LORD to wrath, so that the LORD was angry with you to have destroyed you.

9When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant which the LORD made with you, then I abode in the mount forty days and forty nights, I neither did eat bread nor drink water:

12And the LORD said unto me, Arise, get thee down quickly from hence; for thy people which thou hast brought forth out of Egypt have corrupted themselves; they are quickly turned aside out of the way which I commanded them; they have made them a molten image.

13Furthermore the LORD spake unto me, saying, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

14Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven: and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they.

26I prayed therefore unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, destroy not thy people and thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed through thy greatness, which thou hast brought forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand.

27Remember thy servants, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; look not unto the stubbornness of this people, nor to their wickedness, nor to their sin:

Chapter 10.

14Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.

15Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.

16Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

17For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

See also Deut 8 and remember that it was prophesied by Moses that this people of the conditional, corporal law and way of retaining blessing and the land would be temporal and that they would be 'utterly destroyed'. Deut 4:25,26; Deut 31:29; Deut 32:20,29.

18But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

19And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.

20As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God.

At the end of the national entity though, their race was shown not be 'inferior' either, nor the Romans superior... as Many, Many of the Jews believed in the creator God's incarnation and become the international 'nation' of all tongues, races, languages of the new everlasting covenant of Life subordinate to Jesus' freedom, instructions and the H.S.

In Rom 11:32 Paul says that he has counted all [peoples] including the jews of Israel at that time, equally in disobedience in order that he might have mercy on individuals of all races through the obedience OF FAITH.

[Rose]

Yes, I've thought of this close analogy that perpetuates due to peoples [christian zionist] indoctrinations about Israel. It's a false perspective perpetuated by the Zionists themselves and by the scofield reference bible. But they are not biblical nor reflect God's perspective.

Thus, I think it's your perceptions, false understandings and interpretations about God's perspective and temporary purposes with Israel that it is at fault; and not God's perspectives and temporary purposes.

Your accusations against God of being 'racist' are unfounded and a result of the dispensational interpretations. This is what I mentioned to Richard a few times.

Yahweh's choosing of a national Israel was temporal, and for temporary purposes while the knowledge about God and the proof of his entity, his freedom, his will and existence to a free-willed man was being developed; and it was stated by Yahweh himself to be not the good way [after Christ's coming][Is 65:2; Ez 36:21] Hebrews says If the 'first [national] covenant' had been faultless, there would have been no reason for the 'second'.. [the fulfillment of the everlasting covenant of Love and Mercy individually received, called "new" in contrast with the Mosaic 'old', first covenant.]


The 'latter days' of the God's temporary administration through the descendants of Jacob were even declared by Jacob himself in Gen 49. This refutes the idea of Israel being a superior race.

Contrary to your assertion, other races weren't 'inferior' but were influenced by Babylonian religions, which was then also the analogy of Jerusalem after the cross according to Revelation... Babylon the great [Jerusalem] has fallen....

At the end of the national entity though, their race was shown not be 'inferior' either, nor the Romans superior... as Many, Many of the Jews believed in the creator God's incarnation and become the international 'nation' of all tongues, races, languages of the new everlasting covenant of Life subordinate to Jesus' freedom, instructions and the H.S.

In Rom 11:32 Paul says that he has counted all [peoples] including the jews of Israel at that time, equally in disobedience in order that he might have mercy on individuals of all races through the obedience OF FAITH.

The Bible clearly states that Yahweh commanded the Israelite to slaughter many different peoples for the sole reason that they were pagans and worshiped a different god. It has nothing to do with any false perception being perpetuated, it is the words written in the Old Testament that perpetuates this fact.

The Old Testament is worse than a slaughter house, it seems Yahweh's solution to any and every problem is to KILL,Kill, kill...starting with the Flood and continuing on until the destruction of Jerusalem. One would think the creator of the universe could come up with a better solution than killing. Yahweh sure didn't set a very good example for his children, he just followed right along with what all the pagan nations were doing - Killing - all the wars the Jews entered into they acted just like all the other peoples who go to war, kill, rape, and pillage! No difference from anyone else and they were supposedly commanded by Yahweh to do it.

Rose

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Yes, I've thought of this close analogy that perpetuates due to peoples [christian zionist] indoctrinations about Israel. It's a false perspective perpetuated by the Zionists themselves and by the scofield reference bible. But they are not biblical nor reflect God's perspective.

Thus, I think it's your perceptions, false understandings and interpretations about God's perspective and temporary purposes with Israel that it is at fault; and not God's perspectives and temporary purposes.

Your accusations against God of being 'racist' are unfounded and a result of the dispensational interpretations. This is what I mentioned to Richard a few times.

Yahweh's choosing of a national Israel was temporal, and for temporary purposes while the knowledge about God and the proof of his entity, his freedom, his will and existence to a free-willed man was being developed; and it was stated by Yahweh himself to be not the good way [after Christ's coming][Is 65:2; Ez 36:21] Hebrews says If the 'first [national] covenant' had been faultless, there would have been no reason for the 'second'.. [the fulfillment of the everlasting covenant of Love and Mercy individually received, called "new" in contrast with the Mosaic 'old', first covenant.]

That's all good as far as it goes, but the issue has absolutely nothing to do with Dispensationalism or Zionism. The problem is this:

Deuteronomy 2:33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

And this:

1 Samuel 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

And this:

Numbers 31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

And ... well, you get the idea. WHY IS GOD SO ENAMORED BY VIOLENCE? Why does he seem to love to kill, Kill, KILL??? Why does he approve of taking 32,000 virgins as war booty and why does he order them to be distributed to the warriors as sex slaves??? These are the real questions. They have nothing to with Zionism or Dispensationalism.

The 'latter days' of the God's temporary administration through the descendants of Jacob were even declared by Jacob himself in Gen 49. This refutes the idea of Israel being a superior race.

Contrary to your assertion, other races weren't 'inferior' but were influenced by Babylonian religions, which was then also the analogy of Jerusalem after the cross according to Revelation... Babylon the great [Jerusalem] has fallen....

Read Deut 9.

Chapter 10.

Good points. The Bible is clear that the Jews were not "special" in and of themselves. But on the other hand, the Bible is equally clear that they had a very special relationship with God and that God was happy to destroy their "enemies" or whoever wasn't willing to just hand over their land to the invading Israelites.

Again, we must ask - what is the God of the Universe trying to teach us by repeatedly ordering genocidal murder?

See also Deut 8 and remember that it was prophesied by Moses that this people of the conditional, corporal law and way of retaining blessing and the land would be temporal and that they would be 'utterly destroyed'. Deut 4:25,26; Deut 31:29; Deut 32:20,29.

That's not an issue with Rose or I. We both understand Preterism and the conditional nature of the land promises. That's not the issue at all. The issue is that God ordered his people to become mass murderers of women and children. Have you ever taken a moment to consider what it would have been like to be an Israeli soldier? I can assure you it would utterly destroy your soul.

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

The Bible clearly states that Yahweh commanded the Israelite to slaughter many different peoples for the sole reason that they were pagans and worshiped a different god. It has nothing to do with any false perception being perpetuated, it is the words written in the Old Testament that perpetuates this fact.

The Old Testament is worse than a slaughter house, it seems Yahweh's solution to any and every problem is to KILL,Kill, kill...starting with the Flood and continuing on until the destruction of Jerusalem. One would think the creator of the universe could come up with a better solution than killing. Yahweh sure didn't set a very good example for his children, he just followed right along with what all the pagan nations were doing - Killing - all the wars the Jews entered into they acted just like all the other peoples who go to war, kill, rape, and pillage! No difference from anyone else and they were supposedly commanded by Yahweh to do it.

Rose

You are free to believe as you wish and ignore that the mosaic covenant is declared by Yahway to be NOT THE GOOD WAY; a negative pattern and shadow of the future reality through the indwelling Spirit and declared to be temporal right in it's being given and declared.

You are correct in that they were like the other nations and that is brought out in the quotes from Deut above. It was prophesied that they would Perish just like the Egyptians....while those of the new covenant of the indwelling spirit would escape from the Egypt of Jerusalem as those who persued them perished.

The mosaic covenant would be 'until the seed came' about who and to the promise [from Eden] was made. The promise is a reversal of the personal spiritual separation from the approval, forgiveness, friendship and knowledge of his existence, his character, his Love that was incurred in ignorance about him in the original Garden. The anti-dote to ignorance is 'knowledge'. That's what John confirms in John 17:3.

You ignored the statements given right in the covenant and declaration which disprove your accusations of racism. You ignored the temporal choosing of the nation and covenant and for temporal purposes. This IS VERY MUCH perpetuating a false interpretation and false perspective of racism by refusing to consider how these verses alter your views.

You also made false statements and observations.

it seems Yahweh's solution to any and every problem is to KILL,Kill, kill...starting with the Flood and continuing on until the destruction of Jerusalem.

Jesus declared to the Pharisees that they were NOT of their father Abraham because they sought to Kill him. And that this, Abraham did NOT do. The instructions to Noah were ONLY towards capital punishment at that time. He who sheds life blood, shall have his life blood shed. And even these people only had the type and prophecy of the future 8th day of the new creation [of the indwelling Spiirt of experiential knowledge of God] They did not have the knowledge of the personal friendship and love of the Creator. This was not a 'kill, kill, kill since Noah as you declare.

It wasn't until Nimrod introduced his counterfeit seed of Eve and religious ritualistic practices which would enslave men against life, rob them of the freedom of it, knowledge of the reality of the Creator-Spirit through his incarnation [seed promised to Eve], that a counter-measure was raised. And yet it would be through the "negative" counter-measure [the mosaic national covenant] that the confirmation of the true seed promised to Eve would be confirmed.

God knows that we as individuals and peoples sometimes learn through negative experiences and examples. The mosaic way was NOT the good way. Nimrod's counterfeit virgin birth and ritualistic enslaving religions and domineering priesthoods etc. are not the way of blessed life and friendship from it's Creator. Personal justification by faith is the way of Abraham, and of the new creation within.

Again, as stated to Richard, your accusations against God are unfounded due to your mis-interpretations of the temporal nature and purposes of the national, mosaic covenant; set up as a babylonian style religion from people who were little different than the nations they dispossessed. That is confirmed in the giving of and words of the covenant. They were no different than the Egyptians who they escaped from. You noted that yourself. There is no racism to accuse God of.

You say that he could have done something other than the instructions of the mosaic law. But He did, and Abraham, Isaac, Israel walked the land as strangers and preachers of righteousness and justification via faith in the future seed, not Nimrod's religions. Abraham was told that through HIM would all nations of the earth be blessed. [Paul confirms in Romans that this blessing and freedom is via the justification by faith, and the forgiveness of the sin of disbelief, doubt and ignorance. And His faith, contrary to participation in self approving conditional religious ritualistic practices was accounted to him for righteousness.

They did not listen. They did not have faith in a Good God, his approval and Creation of Life, and his future seed to cancel the spiritual separation between the Creator and themselves but sought a 'blessing' of works and rituals by conditional self emasculating religion. They were partakers of an administration of death, just as the corporal, conditional mosaic covenant was an administration of 'spiritual' death as noted by Paul in 2 Cor 3.

If you want to be free to judge and evaluate God's ways, and the depth of his love of life created with a free will, a heart, soul and free intellect, then you also need to consider and permit his free will in the method of the proving of his existence, and his Good ways, his laws of life, his purposes and will through the gradual, progressive historical, physical communication of both positive and even negative ways.

This would even allow consideration of his permitting and even USING the negative ways [Garden, Nimrod's religions, mosaic covenant] in historical, physical events to develop proof of himself, his attributes and of His positive ways of LIFE and in interacting with the mind, intellect and free will [even free to rebel and disbelieve] of the man who he created.

For the law came by Moses; BUT grace and truth by Christ Jesus. Jesus never commanded his followers Or you to kill.

It's sometimes difficult to interact about historical records contained in the bible with people who pick and choose which historical aspects and accounts they believe, let alone weather they believe in the Creator of life at all, and the objective and progressive revelation of himself, his purposes, his positive ways through faith, individual friendship, freedom and joy in life.

I could see this getting into a lengthy argument and continuation of other similar threads. I'll not repeat already stated responses and verses.

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

That's all good as far as it goes, . They have nothing to with Zionism or Dispensationalism.

I disagree with special regard to the opening post. Zionism, Dispensationalism, futurism all foster racism in a pro Israel way. Same with the erroneous teachings and axioms of the scofield bible which proclaim [in the present] that to bless Israel is to insure personal blessing. Rose stated that God elevated a race as 'chosen' without acknowledging the temporary and both the negative and positive purposes of that choosing. They were chosen as a tool and vehicle in order for all mankind to benefit in coming to the knowledge of the reality of the loving God and of friendship with Him.

And again, your missing the point that this is referred to and declared by God as NOT THE GOOD WAY. I dont' view them as 'commands' for righteousness, but permissions and instructions to their hardened, ignorant and disbelieving hearts that were still in disbelief about the Living Creator God. Recall, they fabricated a Golden calf while waiting for Moses.. and this after they had seen the plagues of Egypt, the healings from the serpent and other miraculous events. What if Moses was the power, and now he was gone??

It would however be through the maintenance of the corporal nation, the priesthood and prophets that the true coming of the seed of God would be proved, confirmed and repeatedly prophesied.

Good points. The Bible is clear that the Jews were not "special" in and of themselves. But on the other hand, the Bible is equally clear that they had a very special relationship with God and that God was happy to destroy their "enemies" or whoever wasn't willing to just hand over their land to the invading Israelites.

I disagree that they individually had a very special relationship with God. There may have been some or even many who held faith and understanding of the then future promise of the everlasting covenant of Love and Mercy that was given to mankind through Eve; [my covenant to Noah and Abraham]; to cancel the separation and ignorance between God/man. Abel sacrificed in that faith to that hope.

Those, like Daniel likely LONGED for the coming end of the mosaic covenant and became sick when it was announced to him that it would be yet for many days. In reading deut 30, without further details it would appear that the open exposure and indwelling of the heart would accompany the return from the Babylonian captivity. Daniel was given the additional 490 yr time-frame.

The conditional mosaic covenant was corporal as well as offering the promise and blessing of sustenance. It was like a carrot strung before the horse. They would never be able to perpetually fulfill and keep the covenant. This covenant and it's conditional promises would have been the only 'special relationship' that they would have corporally had.

They were given prophets to guide them during their temporary time and to remind them of it's latter end during the coming of the fulfillment of the seed of God and the indwelling of his Spirit and change. Even the prophets didn't always know what they were prophesying about.... but longed to look into their fulfillment.

The new covenant would be NOT LIKE and contrary to the principles of the old. So also it's instructions would be contrary, opposite and not like the Old.

Again, we must ask - what is the God of the Universe trying to teach us by repeatedly ordering genocidal murder?

Repeatedly is empty of support. You fail to acknowledge the temporary historical parameters of those instructions and the ending of those instructions 2000 yrs ago that were openly included right in the giving of the covenant and repeatedly referred to as 'not the good way' by God himself and the prophets. Are you an Israelite of the mosaic covenant by including yourself in US?

That's not an issue with Rose or I. We both understand Preterism and the conditional nature of the land promises. That's not the issue at all. The issue is that God ordered his people to become mass murderers of women and children. Have you ever taken a moment to consider what it would have been like to be an Israeli soldier? I can assure you it would utterly destroy your soul.

But you seem to neglect the awareness of the temporal nature and the immediate condemnation of those instructions. Jesus, God incarnate has come.. with a completely different and anti-antithetical set of instructions.

Your basis for condemning and criticism God for the mosaic covenant instructions is baseless as it was condemned by Him [though temporarily and negatively purposeful] to begin with. Moses didn't want any part of it and struck the rock twice.. . A peace-loving man would perhaps had left the nation. Paul declares it to have a glory of it's own, but that of a negative glory. You need to attempt to understand these comments about that way before criticizing and judging God for it.

The Israeli soldier is long since gone as are the limited knowledge of God and his purposes at that time. The new creation of individuals indwelt by his Spirit is here through the authority of the incarnation, his instructions about life and the indwelling of the Creator.

You asked;

Again, we must ask - what is the God of the Universe trying to teach us by repeatedly ordering genocidal murder?

I may have misunderstood the intent of the statement. There are questions of accusation, questions of disbelief, and questions of seeking. I read the first and you may have implied the last.

What could the God and creator of life be trying to teach [OR CONFIRM] post incarnate man [US] through a historical progressive revelation about himself that was partly through the ugliness, oppression and enslavement by and through those who participated in disbelief, ignorance, corporal and religious counterfeits, ritualistic religions, and even God administered temporary negatives of the positive way of the Living, Loving approval, and friendship with the Creator God of Life?

Is there a contrast of beauty prophesied in the children of the new way and of faith? Is 61. What about beating swords into plowshares? These are just the beginning of the contrast.

Not sure of prompt or continued interaction on this right now. Will monitor and catch up later.

Good to be chatting....Thanks.

[Rose]

You are free to believe as you wish and ignore that the mosaic covenant is declared by Yahway to be NOT THE GOOD WAY; a negative pattern and shadow of the future reality through the indwelling Spirit and declared to be temporal right in it's being given and declared.

You are correct in that they were like the other nations and that is brought out in the quotes from Deut above. It was prophesied that they would Perish just like the Egyptians....while those of the new covenant of the indwelling spirit would escape from the Egypt of Jerusalem as those who persued them perished.

The mosaic covenant would be 'until the seed came' about who and to the promise [from Eden] was made. The promise is a reversal of the personal spiritual separation from the approval, forgiveness, friendship and knowledge of his existence, his character, his Love that was incurred in ignorance about him in the original Garden. The anti-dote to ignorance is 'knowledge'. That's what John confirms in John 17:3.

You ignored the statements given right in the covenant and declaration which disprove your accusations of racism. You ignored the temporal choosing of the nation and covenant and for temporal purposes. This IS VERY MUCH perpetuating a false interpretation and false perspective of racism by refusing to consider how these verses alter your views.

You also made false statements and observations.


Jesus declared to the Pharisees that they were NOT of their father Abraham because they sought to Kill him. And that this, Abraham did NOT do. The instructions to Noah were ONLY towards capital punishment at that time. He who sheds life blood, shall have his life blood shed. And even these people only had the type and prophecy of the future 8th day of the new creation [of the indwelling Spiirt of experiential knowledge of God] They did not have the knowledge of the personal friendship and love of the Creator. This was not a 'kill, kill, kill since Noah as you declare.

It wasn't until Nimrod introduced his counterfeit seed of Eve and religious ritualistic practices which would enslave men against life, rob them of the freedom of it, knowledge of the reality of the Creator-Spirit through his incarnation [seed promised to Eve], that a counter-measure was raised. And yet it would be through the "negative" counter-measure [the mosaic national covenant] that the confirmation of the true seed promised to Eve would be confirmed.

God knows that we as individuals and peoples sometimes learn through negative experiences and examples. The mosaic way was NOT the good way. Nimrod's counterfeit virgin birth and ritualistic enslaving religions and domineering priesthoods etc. are not the way of blessed life and friendship from it's Creator. Personal justification by faith is the way of Abraham, and of the new creation within.

Again, as stated to Richard, your accusations against God are unfounded due to your mis-interpretations of the temporal nature and purposes of the national, mosaic covenant; set up as a babylonian style religion from people who were little different than the nations they dispossessed. That is confirmed in the giving of and words of the covenant. They were no different than the Egyptians who they escaped from. You noted that yourself. There is no racism to accuse God of.

You say that he could have done something other than the instructions of the mosaic law. But He did, and Abraham, Isaac, Israel walked the land as strangers and preachers of righteousness and justification via faith in the future seed, not Nimrod's religions. Abraham was told that through HIM would all nations of the earth be blessed. [Paul confirms in Romans that this blessing and freedom is via the justification by faith, and the forgiveness of the sin of disbelief, doubt and ignorance. And His faith, contrary to participation in self approving conditional religious ritualistic practices was accounted to him for righteousness.

They did not listen. They did not have faith in a Good God, his approval and Creation of Life, and his future seed to cancel the spiritual separation between the Creator and themselves but sought a 'blessing' of works and rituals by conditional self emasculating religion. They were partakers of an administration of death, just as the corporal, conditional mosaic covenant was an administration of 'spiritual' death as noted by Paul in 2 Cor 3.

If you want to be free to judge and evaluate God's ways, and the depth of his love of life created with a free will, a heart, soul and free intellect, then you also need to consider and permit his free will in the method of the proving of his existence, and his Good ways, his laws of life, his purposes and will through the gradual, progressive historical, physical communication of both positive and even negative ways.

This would even allow consideration of his permitting and even USING the negative ways [Garden, Nimrod's religions, mosaic covenant] in historical, physical events to develop proof of himself, his attributes and of His positive ways of LIFE and in interacting with the mind, intellect and free will [even free to rebel and disbelieve] of the man who he created.

For the law came by Moses; BUT grace and truth by Christ Jesus. Jesus never commanded his followers Or you to kill.

It's sometimes difficult to interact about historical records contained in the bible with people who pick and choose which historical aspects and accounts they believe, let alone weather they believe in the Creator of life at all, and the objective and progressive revelation of himself, his purposes, his positive ways through faith, individual friendship, freedom and joy in life.

I could see this getting into a lengthy argument and continuation of other similar threads. I'll not repeat already stated responses and verses.

My opening post compares the command from Yahweh given to the Israelite's to slaughter pagan peoples (men, women, and children) merely because they worshiped other gods, with the command Hitler gave to slaughter Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc. merely because he thought they were inferior to the Arian race.

You have not provided any evidence to show that the comparison I stated is not true. All the justification you have given as to why Yahweh slaughtered all those pagan people matters not, only that it was done! Hence, my comparison stands.

Rose