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    Yahweh and Hitler?

    Has anyone ever noticed these similarities?

    Here is a short list showing an eerie set of comparisons between the god of the Bible 'Yahweh' and Hitler.

    Yahweh

    • Picks a people and calls them chosen.
    • Deems other races inferior and commands their slaughter.
    • Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Jews and another set for the Gentiles.

    Hitler

    • Picks the Arian race and calls them chosen.
    • Deems the Jewish race inferior and commands their slaughter.
    • Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Arians and another for the Jews.


    Kinda scary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose View Post
    Has anyone ever noticed these similarities?

    Here is a short list showing an eerie set of comparisons between the god of the Bible 'Yahweh' and Hitler.

    Yahweh

    • Picks a people and calls them chosen.
    • Deems other races inferior and commands their slaughter.
    • Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Jews and another set for the Gentiles.

    Hitler

    • Picks the Arian race and calls them chosen.
    • Deems the Jewish race inferior and commands their slaughter.
    • Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Arians and another for the Jews.


    Kinda scary!

    Rose
    Your post is too myopic. The same logic can be applied to many situations:

    Romans:
    Picks a people (of Rome) and calls them elite.
    Deems other races inferior and conquers them.
    Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for its subjects.

    Some super-powerful countries:
    Allow selected people to be their citizens
    Deems other countries as weak and help to kill their enemies
    Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for non-citizens.

    Saddam:
    Picks his trusted families and loyalists and call them elite
    Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
    Applies one set of standards for his elites and another for his citizens.

    Osama:
    Picks his trusted loyalists and call them elite
    Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
    Applies one set of standards for terrorists and another for non-terrorists.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CWH View Post
    Your post is too myopic. The same logic can be applied to many situations:

    Romans:
    Picks a people (of Rome) and calls them elite.
    Deems other races inferior and conquers them.
    Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for its subjects.

    Some super-powerful countries:
    Allow selected people to be their citizens
    Deems other countries as weak and help to kill their enemies
    Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for non-citizens.

    Saddam:
    Picks his trusted families and loyalists and call them elite
    Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
    Applies one set of standards for his elites and another for his citizens.

    Osama:
    Picks his trusted loyalists and call them elite
    Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
    Applies one set of standards for terrorists and another for non-terrorists.


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    Too myopic? Are you saying that Rose should have compared Yahweh with all the murderous tyrants of history?
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    LOL!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    Too myopic? Are you saying that Rose should have compared Yahweh with all the murderous tyrants of history?
    Yes! Every last one of them, damn it! Rose needs to quit cherry-picking her diabolical comparisons! Comments like that just slay me!

    Actually, I was thinking about another and somewhat different similarity:

    Hitler destroyed lots of Jews...

    Yahweh...destroyed lots of Jews...especially when crazy old David wanted to start counting heads...whoa!!! Baaddd idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWH View Post
    Your post is too myopic. The same logic can be applied to many situations:

    Romans:
    Picks a people (of Rome) and calls them elite.
    Deems other races inferior and conquers them.
    Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for its subjects.

    Some super-powerful countries:
    Allow selected people to be their citizens
    Deems other countries as weak and help to kill their enemies
    Applies one set of standards for its citizens and another for non-citizens.

    Saddam:
    Picks his trusted families and loyalists and call them elite
    Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
    Applies one set of standards for his elites and another for his citizens.

    Osama:
    Picks his trusted loyalists and call them elite
    Deems his non-supporters as enemies and kills them
    Applies one set of standards for terrorists and another for non-terrorists.


    God Blessings to all.
    Yes, I suppose it is, but if I made a list of all the tyrants in history to compare Yahweh to, I wouldn't have enough room to fit them all into a post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose View Post
    Has anyone ever noticed these similarities?

    Here is a short list showing an eerie set of comparisons between the god of the Bible “Yahweh” and Hitler.

    Yahweh

    • Picks a people and calls them chosen.
    • Deems other races inferior and commands their slaughter.
    • Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Jews and another set for the Gentiles.

    Hitler

    • Picks the Arian race and calls them chosen.
    • Deems the Jewish race inferior and commands their slaughter.
    • Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Arians and another for the Jews.


    Kinda scary!

    Rose
    Yes, I've thought of this close analogy that perpetuates due to peoples [christian zionist] indoctrinations about Israel. It's a false perspective perpetuated by the Zionists themselves and by the scofield reference bible. But they are not biblical nor reflect God's perspective.

    Thus, I think it's your perceptions, false understandings and interpretations about God's perspective and temporary purposes with Israel that it is at fault; and not God's perspectives and temporary purposes.

    Your accusations against God of being 'racist' are unfounded and a result of the dispensational interpretations. This is what I mentioned to Richard a few times.

    Yahweh's choosing of a national Israel was temporal, and for temporary purposes while the knowledge about God and the proof of his entity, his freedom, his will and existence to a free-willed man was being developed; and it was stated by Yahweh himself to be not the good way [after Christ's coming][Is 65:2; Ez 36:21] Hebrews says If the 'first [national] covenant' had been faultless, there would have been no reason for the 'second'.. [the fulfillment of the everlasting covenant of Love and Mercy individually received, called "new" in contrast with the Mosaic 'old', first covenant.]


    The 'latter days' of the God's temporary administration through the descendants of Jacob were even declared by Jacob himself in Gen 49. This refutes the idea of Israel being a superior race.

    Contrary to your assertion, other races weren't 'inferior' but were influenced by Babylonian religions, which was then also the analogy of Jerusalem after the cross according to Revelation... Babylon the great [Jerusalem] has fallen....

    Read Deut 9.

    3Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.

    4Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.

    5Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

    6Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.

    7Remember, and forget not, how thou provokedst the LORD thy God to wrath in the wilderness: from the day that thou didst depart out of the land of Egypt, until ye came unto this place, ye have been rebellious against the LORD.

    8Also in Horeb ye provoked the LORD to wrath, so that the LORD was angry with you to have destroyed you.

    9When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, even the tables of the covenant which the LORD made with you, then I abode in the mount forty days and forty nights, I neither did eat bread nor drink water:

    12And the LORD said unto me, Arise, get thee down quickly from hence; for thy people which thou hast brought forth out of Egypt have corrupted themselves; they are quickly turned aside out of the way which I commanded them; they have made them a molten image.

    13Furthermore the LORD spake unto me, saying, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

    14Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven: and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they.

    26I prayed therefore unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, destroy not thy people and thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed through thy greatness, which thou hast brought forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand.

    27Remember thy servants, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; look not unto the stubbornness of this people, nor to their wickedness, nor to their sin:
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    14Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.

    15Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.

    16Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

    17For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

    See also Deut 8 and remember that it was prophesied by Moses that this people of the conditional, corporal law and way of retaining blessing and the land would be temporal and that they would be 'utterly destroyed'. Deut 4:25,26; Deut 31:29; Deut 32:20,29.

    18But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

    19And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.

    20As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God.
    At the end of the national entity though, their race was shown not be 'inferior' either, nor the Romans superior... as Many, Many of the Jews believed in the creator God's incarnation and become the international 'nation' of all tongues, races, languages of the new everlasting covenant of Life subordinate to Jesus' freedom, instructions and the H.S.

    In Rom 11:32 Paul says that he has counted all [peoples] including the jews of Israel at that time, equally in disobedience in order that he might have mercy on individuals of all races through the obedience OF FAITH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EndtimesDeut32/70AD View Post
    Yes, I've thought of this close analogy that perpetuates due to peoples [christian zionist] indoctrinations about Israel. It's a false perspective perpetuated by the Zionists themselves and by the scofield reference bible. But they are not biblical nor reflect God's perspective.

    Thus, I think it's your perceptions, false understandings and interpretations about God's perspective and temporary purposes with Israel that it is at fault; and not God's perspectives and temporary purposes.

    Your accusations against God of being 'racist' are unfounded and a result of the dispensational interpretations. This is what I mentioned to Richard a few times.

    Yahweh's choosing of a national Israel was temporal, and for temporary purposes while the knowledge about God and the proof of his entity, his freedom, his will and existence to a free-willed man was being developed; and it was stated by Yahweh himself to be not the good way [after Christ's coming][Is 65:2; Ez 36:21] Hebrews says If the 'first [national] covenant' had been faultless, there would have been no reason for the 'second'.. [the fulfillment of the everlasting covenant of Love and Mercy individually received, called "new" in contrast with the Mosaic 'old', first covenant.]


    The 'latter days' of the God's temporary administration through the descendants of Jacob were even declared by Jacob himself in Gen 49. This refutes the idea of Israel being a superior race.

    Contrary to your assertion, other races weren't 'inferior' but were influenced by Babylonian religions, which was then also the analogy of Jerusalem after the cross according to Revelation... Babylon the great [Jerusalem] has fallen....

    At the end of the national entity though, their race was shown not be 'inferior' either, nor the Romans superior... as Many, Many of the Jews believed in the creator God's incarnation and become the international 'nation' of all tongues, races, languages of the new everlasting covenant of Life subordinate to Jesus' freedom, instructions and the H.S.

    In Rom 11:32 Paul says that he has counted all [peoples] including the jews of Israel at that time, equally in disobedience in order that he might have mercy on individuals of all races through the obedience OF FAITH.
    The Bible clearly states that Yahweh commanded the Israelite to slaughter many different peoples for the sole reason that they were pagans and worshiped a different god. It has nothing to do with any false perception being perpetuated, it is the words written in the Old Testament that perpetuates this fact.

    The Old Testament is worse than a slaughter house, it seems Yahweh's solution to any and every problem is to KILL,Kill, kill...starting with the Flood and continuing on until the destruction of Jerusalem. One would think the creator of the universe could come up with a better solution than killing. Yahweh sure didn't set a very good example for his children, he just followed right along with what all the pagan nations were doing - Killing - all the wars the Jews entered into they acted just like all the other peoples who go to war, kill, rape, and pillage! No difference from anyone else and they were supposedly commanded by Yahweh to do it.

    Rose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose View Post
    The Bible clearly states that Yahweh commanded the Israelite to slaughter many different peoples for the sole reason that they were pagans and worshiped a different god. It has nothing to do with any false perception being perpetuated, it is the words written in the Old Testament that perpetuates this fact.

    The Old Testament is worse than a slaughter house, it seems Yahweh's solution to any and every problem is to KILL,Kill, kill...starting with the Flood and continuing on until the destruction of Jerusalem. One would think the creator of the universe could come up with a better solution than killing. Yahweh sure didn't set a very good example for his children, he just followed right along with what all the pagan nations were doing - Killing - all the wars the Jews entered into they acted just like all the other peoples who go to war, kill, rape, and pillage! No difference from anyone else and they were supposedly commanded by Yahweh to do it.

    Rose
    You are free to believe as you wish and ignore that the mosaic covenant is declared by Yahway to be NOT THE GOOD WAY; a negative pattern and shadow of the future reality through the indwelling Spirit and declared to be temporal right in it's being given and declared.

    You are correct in that they were like the other nations and that is brought out in the quotes from Deut above. It was prophesied that they would Perish just like the Egyptians....while those of the new covenant of the indwelling spirit would escape from the Egypt of Jerusalem as those who persued them perished.

    The mosaic covenant would be 'until the seed came' about who and to the promise [from Eden] was made. The promise is a reversal of the personal spiritual separation from the approval, forgiveness, friendship and knowledge of his existence, his character, his Love that was incurred in ignorance about him in the original Garden. The anti-dote to ignorance is 'knowledge'. That's what John confirms in John 17:3.

    You ignored the statements given right in the covenant and declaration which disprove your accusations of racism. You ignored the temporal choosing of the nation and covenant and for temporal purposes. This IS VERY MUCH perpetuating a false interpretation and false perspective of racism by refusing to consider how these verses alter your views.

    You also made false statements and observations.
    it seems Yahweh's solution to any and every problem is to KILL,Kill, kill...starting with the Flood and continuing on until the destruction of Jerusalem.
    Jesus declared to the Pharisees that they were NOT of their father Abraham because they sought to Kill him. And that this, Abraham did NOT do. The instructions to Noah were ONLY towards capital punishment at that time. He who sheds life blood, shall have his life blood shed. And even these people only had the type and prophecy of the future 8th day of the new creation [of the indwelling Spiirt of experiential knowledge of God] They did not have the knowledge of the personal friendship and love of the Creator. This was not a 'kill, kill, kill since Noah as you declare.

    It wasn't until Nimrod introduced his counterfeit seed of Eve and religious ritualistic practices which would enslave men against life, rob them of the freedom of it, knowledge of the reality of the Creator-Spirit through his incarnation [seed promised to Eve], that a counter-measure was raised. And yet it would be through the "negative" counter-measure [the mosaic national covenant] that the confirmation of the true seed promised to Eve would be confirmed.

    God knows that we as individuals and peoples sometimes learn through negative experiences and examples. The mosaic way was NOT the good way. Nimrod's counterfeit virgin birth and ritualistic enslaving religions and domineering priesthoods etc. are not the way of blessed life and friendship from it's Creator. Personal justification by faith is the way of Abraham, and of the new creation within.

    Again, as stated to Richard, your accusations against God are unfounded due to your mis-interpretations of the temporal nature and purposes of the national, mosaic covenant; set up as a babylonian style religion from people who were little different than the nations they dispossessed. That is confirmed in the giving of and words of the covenant. They were no different than the Egyptians who they escaped from. You noted that yourself. There is no racism to accuse God of.

    You say that he could have done something other than the instructions of the mosaic law. But He did, and Abraham, Isaac, Israel walked the land as strangers and preachers of righteousness and justification via faith in the future seed, not Nimrod's religions. Abraham was told that through HIM would all nations of the earth be blessed. [Paul confirms in Romans that this blessing and freedom is via the justification by faith, and the forgiveness of the sin of disbelief, doubt and ignorance. And His faith, contrary to participation in self approving conditional religious ritualistic practices was accounted to him for righteousness.

    They did not listen. They did not have faith in a Good God, his approval and Creation of Life, and his future seed to cancel the spiritual separation between the Creator and themselves but sought a 'blessing' of works and rituals by conditional self emasculating religion. They were partakers of an administration of death, just as the corporal, conditional mosaic covenant was an administration of 'spiritual' death as noted by Paul in 2 Cor 3.

    If you want to be free to judge and evaluate God's ways, and the depth of his love of life created with a free will, a heart, soul and free intellect, then you also need to consider and permit his free will in the method of the proving of his existence, and his Good ways, his laws of life, his purposes and will through the gradual, progressive historical, physical communication of both positive and even negative ways.

    This would even allow consideration of his permitting and even USING the negative ways [Garden, Nimrod's religions, mosaic covenant] in historical, physical events to develop proof of himself, his attributes and of His positive ways of LIFE and in interacting with the mind, intellect and free will [even free to rebel and disbelieve] of the man who he created.

    For the law came by Moses; BUT grace and truth by Christ Jesus. Jesus never commanded his followers Or you to kill.

    It's sometimes difficult to interact about historical records contained in the bible with people who pick and choose which historical aspects and accounts they believe, let alone weather they believe in the Creator of life at all, and the objective and progressive revelation of himself, his purposes, his positive ways through faith, individual friendship, freedom and joy in life.

    I could see this getting into a lengthy argument and continuation of other similar threads. I'll not repeat already stated responses and verses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EndtimesDeut32/70AD View Post
    You are free to believe as you wish and ignore that the mosaic covenant is declared by Yahway to be NOT THE GOOD WAY; a negative pattern and shadow of the future reality through the indwelling Spirit and declared to be temporal right in it's being given and declared.

    You are correct in that they were like the other nations and that is brought out in the quotes from Deut above. It was prophesied that they would Perish just like the Egyptians....while those of the new covenant of the indwelling spirit would escape from the Egypt of Jerusalem as those who persued them perished.

    The mosaic covenant would be 'until the seed came' about who and to the promise [from Eden] was made. The promise is a reversal of the personal spiritual separation from the approval, forgiveness, friendship and knowledge of his existence, his character, his Love that was incurred in ignorance about him in the original Garden. The anti-dote to ignorance is 'knowledge'. That's what John confirms in John 17:3.

    You ignored the statements given right in the covenant and declaration which disprove your accusations of racism. You ignored the temporal choosing of the nation and covenant and for temporal purposes. This IS VERY MUCH perpetuating a false interpretation and false perspective of racism by refusing to consider how these verses alter your views.

    You also made false statements and observations.


    Jesus declared to the Pharisees that they were NOT of their father Abraham because they sought to Kill him. And that this, Abraham did NOT do. The instructions to Noah were ONLY towards capital punishment at that time. He who sheds life blood, shall have his life blood shed. And even these people only had the type and prophecy of the future 8th day of the new creation [of the indwelling Spiirt of experiential knowledge of God] They did not have the knowledge of the personal friendship and love of the Creator. This was not a 'kill, kill, kill since Noah as you declare.

    It wasn't until Nimrod introduced his counterfeit seed of Eve and religious ritualistic practices which would enslave men against life, rob them of the freedom of it, knowledge of the reality of the Creator-Spirit through his incarnation [seed promised to Eve], that a counter-measure was raised. And yet it would be through the "negative" counter-measure [the mosaic national covenant] that the confirmation of the true seed promised to Eve would be confirmed.

    God knows that we as individuals and peoples sometimes learn through negative experiences and examples. The mosaic way was NOT the good way. Nimrod's counterfeit virgin birth and ritualistic enslaving religions and domineering priesthoods etc. are not the way of blessed life and friendship from it's Creator. Personal justification by faith is the way of Abraham, and of the new creation within.

    Again, as stated to Richard, your accusations against God are unfounded due to your mis-interpretations of the temporal nature and purposes of the national, mosaic covenant; set up as a babylonian style religion from people who were little different than the nations they dispossessed. That is confirmed in the giving of and words of the covenant. They were no different than the Egyptians who they escaped from. You noted that yourself. There is no racism to accuse God of.

    You say that he could have done something other than the instructions of the mosaic law. But He did, and Abraham, Isaac, Israel walked the land as strangers and preachers of righteousness and justification via faith in the future seed, not Nimrod's religions. Abraham was told that through HIM would all nations of the earth be blessed. [Paul confirms in Romans that this blessing and freedom is via the justification by faith, and the forgiveness of the sin of disbelief, doubt and ignorance. And His faith, contrary to participation in self approving conditional religious ritualistic practices was accounted to him for righteousness.

    They did not listen. They did not have faith in a Good God, his approval and Creation of Life, and his future seed to cancel the spiritual separation between the Creator and themselves but sought a 'blessing' of works and rituals by conditional self emasculating religion. They were partakers of an administration of death, just as the corporal, conditional mosaic covenant was an administration of 'spiritual' death as noted by Paul in 2 Cor 3.

    If you want to be free to judge and evaluate God's ways, and the depth of his love of life created with a free will, a heart, soul and free intellect, then you also need to consider and permit his free will in the method of the proving of his existence, and his Good ways, his laws of life, his purposes and will through the gradual, progressive historical, physical communication of both positive and even negative ways.

    This would even allow consideration of his permitting and even USING the negative ways [Garden, Nimrod's religions, mosaic covenant] in historical, physical events to develop proof of himself, his attributes and of His positive ways of LIFE and in interacting with the mind, intellect and free will [even free to rebel and disbelieve] of the man who he created.

    For the law came by Moses; BUT grace and truth by Christ Jesus. Jesus never commanded his followers Or you to kill.

    It's sometimes difficult to interact about historical records contained in the bible with people who pick and choose which historical aspects and accounts they believe, let alone weather they believe in the Creator of life at all, and the objective and progressive revelation of himself, his purposes, his positive ways through faith, individual friendship, freedom and joy in life.

    I could see this getting into a lengthy argument and continuation of other similar threads. I'll not repeat already stated responses and verses.
    My opening post compares the command from Yahweh given to the Israelite's to slaughter pagan peoples (men, women, and children) merely because they worshiped other gods, with the command Hitler gave to slaughter Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc. merely because he thought they were inferior to the Arian race.

    You have not provided any evidence to show that the comparison I stated is not true. All the justification you have given as to why Yahweh slaughtered all those pagan people matters not, only that it was done! Hence, my comparison stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose View Post
    My opening post compares the command from Yahweh given to the Israelite's to slaughter pagan peoples (men, women, and children) merely because they worshiped other gods, with the command Hitler gave to slaughter Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc. merely because he thought they were inferior to the Arian race.

    You have not provided any evidence to show that the comparison I stated is not true. All the justification you have given as to why Yahweh slaughtered all those pagan people matters not, only that it was done! Hence, my comparison stands.

    Rose
    It may 'matter not' to you, but it may matter in the overall picture.

    You said nothing of the above in your opening post. Here is the comparison.

    Pick[ed] a people and call[ed] them chosen.

    You imply that their chosen status was racist and elevated without considering the temporary and both positive and negative purposes of that 'choosing'.

    The people of faith in God incarnation in Christ and his words are called the 'Chosen', the Holy Nation, royal priesthood...etc..These are the people of the circumcised and indwelt heart of the NEW covenant which is of all languages, tongues and nations. The instructions of Jesus for this people are contrary to those given by Moses. If anything, God is anti-racist.

    Deem[ed] other races inferior and commands their slaughter.
    You imply that they worshiped other God's while the Israelites (in general) worshiped and had personal faith in the living God. But in the giving of the covenant itself, God declares that the other races are NOT inferior and that they (the Israelites) in general were equally or moreso rebellious, stiffnecked, and disbelieving, and would eventually suffer the same fate and curses as that of the egyptians and of those they disposessed. He reminded them that God wished to destroy them...and that they had made a golden calf like they had seen in Egypt.

    It is stated by Moses that they would worship God's their fathers [the Patriarchs] did not know and confirmed by the prophets that they also would suffer the fate of the Egyptians and the people of the babylonian religions they disposessed. Jerusalem is called 'babylon' the great in Rev. God sent them prophets, and the prophets were people of faith; but the general populace was not as evidenced from the ratio destroyed in the desolation.

    You seem to imply that these other groups or races as you call them were peace-loving, innocent peoples who just happened to have a few quirky ways of religious practices. Why did they have extensive armies then? They likely had similar agenda's and religious commands as what the Israelites were given. Faulty foundations extend themselves to faulty and destructive practices and beliefs.

    Applies one set of standards for his chosen people the Jews and another set for the Gentiles.
    IF there is any truth to this [and there isn't] it would only have been applicable in the past, during the temporal time of their national covenant. There was no double standard. They suffered the same fate and slaughters as those who they dispossessed. He who lived by the sword, perished by the sword. God basically commanded, insured and instructed their [the Israelites] slaughter, failure, destruction and latter end when he gave them their conditional instructions. Eventually the kingdom is returned to the peoples of all languages, nations, tongues and races as it had been with Abel, Noah, Abraham, the Syrian.

    I find it interesting that at the time of the birth of Christ, it was not the emissaries of the jews who brought him Gifts; but those from a foreign [gentile] land. They were looking for the king of the earth.

    The verses given out of Deuteronomy refute and clarify several aspects of your OP and your misconceptions of God's previous administration through the jews of the temporal, negative mosaic covenant. As mentioned, those perspectives are perpetuated through the futurists, dispensational and zionists camps who perpetuate national Israel of the long ended mosaic covenant. The are not accurate statements in the present.

    The other commentary to Richard further rebuts the commonly held mis-conceptions about God's administration through the past covenant with the Jews. It was temporary and it was negative. It's patterns and typology would positively affirm and confirm the true seed of God promised through Eve [and individually believed upon]. The ordinances and instructions were a tool [chosen] and used by God to confirm and verify his seed and the attributes and aspects of the positive everlasting individual covenant of love and Mercy. They were no different from those around them and in some ways were enslaved by themselves and the hopes of their religious laws, heritage or 'race'.

    Again, it's sometimes difficult to value the time to interact with those who wish to have the freedom to choose which sections of scripture they accept as historical and true;[and then even which verses from those sections] and then also wish to have the freedom to condemn God in the perspective they glean from those selectively extracted verses. You come to these discussions like this in disbelief, judgment and accusations, not in faith, questioning and seeking. Repeating your statements while disreguarding counter-statements and verses that give answers do not make them true.

    I said I wouldn't repeat verses, but I find myself repeating the rebuttal of concepts clarified by the verses.
    Last edited by EndtimesDeut32/70AD; 10-10-2011 at 01:02 PM.
    1Thess 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
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    If you are oppressed and enslaved by religious law, you may have a tendency to oppress, enslave and attempt to lord over others who are free.

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