The Apostasy of John Hagee: Jesus was NOT the Messiah!

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Richard, I wanted to say I am OVERJOYED! that so many websites & boards are picking up on your review of this book...Praise God!


The word is getting out. As you pointed out there are still those who are defending him, not believing he meant what he said. A few of those folks have been questioning the book promo video--claming it was 'fixed' or tampered with, because the words being said (by Hagee) did not seem to match up with his mouth/movements.

Today, i found where another person on youtube posted this promo again...and there can be no doubt of what he said. I wanted to pass the link on to the video, for anyone who doubted the first one.


Hagee Hersey

ps- hope my link was posted correctly. I'm not use to the tools here yet!

Hey there pj!

I am glad too .... though I can't really use the word "joy" in this battle. But I know what you meant! I feel the same way.

It is pretty silly for folks to be questioning the video because the book is out there with all the quotes. They should be posted whenever possible.

The link worked fine. Thanks!

Richard

Edit to add: Google found another blog that links to your post and to my review while I was writing this:

http://averyheavystone.blogspot.com/

[White]

Hey Richard,

That's the quote for the day after All Saints Day - found on your link above:


"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the Lord, "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, they shall be as wool. If you are willing and obedient, You shall eat the good of the land; but if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured by the sword"; For the mouth of the Lord has spoken."
America wake up - Bush wake up - Pray for Peace to Jerusalem and the HOLY LAND with JESUS / Y'SHUA in the heart of Jews, Christians & Muslims... (No Ramadan in the White House; we are a Judeo/Christian Nation and not the Islamic States of America (link to www.Olivetreeviews.org March/April 2005 Newsletter on THE ISLAMIC STATES OF AMERICA - it is a wake-up call for Christians and Jews: "Sharia (Islamic) Law has come to America. We need to pray, pray, pray...

And the words spoken in every RCC tomorrow morning around the world and at OLL Mound - I'm the lector tomorrow morning 9 am - from
Romans 11:11-28 : 11:11 / 11/11 Hmmm... quite fitting!

11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them (the Jews) jealous.

12Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure (to accept Y'SHUA / JESUS as Messiah) is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!

13But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

14if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen (Jews) and save some of them.
15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance (of Y'SHUA / JESUS as Messiah) be but life from the dead?

16If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.

17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive (Gentiles), were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

18do not be arrogant toward the branches (Jews); but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root (the Jew Y'SHUA / JESUS who will come back as a JEW and not as Islam's Second in Command) supports you.

19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."

20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith Do not be conceited, but fear;

21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

23And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

25For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
"THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27"THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."

28From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;

29for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

30For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,

31so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.

32For (AI)God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

May the LORD have MERCY on all of us because HE has shut up ALL OF US in disobedience so that HE might show MERCY TO ALL! And all meaning all!
Nobody has a corner on the cornerstone - none follow HIS WAY 100% - therefore, ALL need to repent and seek HIS WAY, HIS FACE, HIS MERCY every second of every day... May we pray the prayer our LORD & SAVIOR taught us, every hour on the hour : Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on Earth as in Heaven, give us this day our daily bread, forgive us out trespasses as we forgive those who have trespassed against us, lead us not into temptation BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL. Amen.

Shalom to Jerusalem and the Holy Land
SHalom among all people, with Y'SHUA / JESUS in the heart of all
Shabbat Shalom
Monique

[Victor]

Another blog picked up the review:

absolutedominion.blogspot.com

Personally I think John Hagee's new book should have been titled "In Defense of Heresy" since in it he engages in copious, gratuitous, and nefarious scriptural obfuscation and prooftexting which results in an outright denial of the Person of Christ.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Another blog picked up the review:

absolutedominion.blogspot.com

Thanks Victor. Here's another forum where they started a thread by quoting the whole review: The Way to Zion

Here's a quote from that thread:

This is one of the worst twists I have seen and is pure heresy. Satan is indeed strong using him to reach tens of millions with this message.

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.

And this guy on MySpace.com quoted the whole article.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

A few more blogs and forums have picked up on the review. The most interesting is on the forum called Israel My Beloved from the website of the International Christian Zionist Center. Even here I have not seen anyone make any serious attempt to defend Hagee's claims. Indeed, I have not found anyone anywhere on the internet - least of all Hagee - who has made any attempt to justify his denial that Jesus came to be Messiah.

Others include:

More Books and Things

DFWstangs Forums

Apostate Evangelists and Teachers

And here is a very interesting discussion on the YouTube posting of his famous video advertisement of his book which people really like because they can "hear it from the horse's mouth." It is quite telling that some folks attempted to argue that the video was a forgery.

Let us pray for peace in the Body of Christ as we unite around the pure proclamation of His Gospel! And let us pray for a true repentence in John Hagee, that he would see the errors of his ways and proclaim the truth of Jesus the Christ, that is, Jesus the Messiah!

Richard

[Denny]

Richard,

I found your review to be right on. I have believed Hagee's ministry to be heretical for years now. There is no greater evil than in denying Jesus as the Christ, and Hagee's eschatology and ministry can easily be rejected by affirming the doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone.

BTW, IMO, nearly all TBN ministries may be rejected by the same means.

TBN

The largest Christian television network in the world"—unfortunately. The spirit of Tetzel is alive and well on cable TV. Bad doctrine, spurious claims of divine revelation, mawkish emotions, gaudy makeup, and tawdry decorations all contribute to the unique ambience that is TBN. To borrow some biblical language, TBN is "the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird" (cf. Rev. 18:2).{from the website of Phil Johnson}

And you think I am subject to fits of ad hominems.

Denny

Romans 3:22-24

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Richard,

I found your review to be right on. I have believed Hagee's ministry to be heretical for years now. There is no greater evil than in denying Jesus as the Christ, and Hagee's eschatology and ministry can easily be rejected by affirming the doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone.

Amen! Hagee's eschatology is about the worst anti-biblical mess that I have ever encountered. And his dual covenant heresy is instantly destroyed by the Biblical doctrine of Justification by Faith Alone. How any man claiming to teach the Bible could assert that the Jews still have a valid covenant with God through the Torah is impossible to comprehend. Its like he's never understood a single word of the New Covenant.

I knew there were many areas we agree. Indeed, we probably agree a lot more than not.

BTW, IMO, nearly all TBN ministries may be rejected by the same means.

TBN

The largest Christian television network in the world"—unfortunately. The spirit of Tetzel is alive and well on cable TV. Bad doctrine, spurious claims of divine revelation, mawkish emotions, gaudy makeup, and tawdry decorations all contribute to the unique ambience that is TBN. To borrow some biblical language, TBN is "the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird" (cf. Rev. 18:2).{from the website of Phil Johnson}

And you think I am subject to fits of ad hominems.

Denny

Romans 3:22-24

Ha! You didn't even get close to Benny Hinn and his "holy ghost machine gun" that he wished for on live TV to murder everyone who disputed his endless flood of false docrine. Here's the quote:

"Somebody's attacking me because of something I'm teaching. Let me tell you something, brother: You watch it! ...You know, I've looked for one verse in the Bible; I just can't seem to find it. Once verse that said, 'If you don't like them, kill them.' I really wish I could find it! ... Sometimes I wish God will give me a Holy Ghost machine gun; I'll blow your head off" (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, 8th November 1990)

I am in complete agreement with you about TBN. It is a mystery why God allows such a monstrosity to be linked with His Holy Name. But then, I see huge cults like Mormonism calling themselves "The Church of Jesus Christ" so I understand it is a fufillment of Christ's prophetic warning that many false prophets would come in His name.

Richard

[okmedia]

Hello,
This is another case of twisting what Hagee said. I am not a fan of Hagee, I have never bought one of his books, but I have heard him on TV, and I know that he believes that Jesus is the Messiah; Hagee did NOT say that Jesus was not the Messiah, that is lunacy!

He said he never came to BE the Messiah of the Jews. Jesus said he spoke in parables so that they would hear and not understand, otherwise they would turn and believe and be saved. Clearly, he did not want them to accept him as the Messiah, that is something I have known and heard others say for decades.

So STOP TWISTING WHAT HAGEE SAID. HE NEVER SAID that Jesus was not the Messiah.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hello,
This is another case of twisting what Hagee said. I am not a fan of Hagee, I have never bought one of his books, but I have heard him on TV, and I know that he believes that Jesus is the Messiah; Hagee did NOT say that Jesus was not the Messiah, that is lunacy!

He said he never came to BE the Messiah of the Jews. Jesus said he spoke in parables so that they would hear and not understand, otherwise they would turn and believe and be saved. Clearly, he did not want them to accept him as the Messiah, that is something I have known and heard others say for decades.

So STOP TWISTING WHAT HAGEE SAID. HE NEVER SAID that Jesus was not the Messiah.

Hello okmedia,

Welcome to our forum!



I am really glad that you have come to share your views.

I did not twist any words that Hagee wrote. It was John Hagee who twisted his own words into an incoherent unbiblical antichrist babble. The New Testament teaches absolutely NOTHING about a "Messiah to the Jews" other than JESUS the MESSIAH.



Now you say that "Clearly, he did not want them to accept him as the Messiah, that is something I have known and heard others say for decades." If that is true, then why did John write his gospel? I quote:

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the MESSIAH, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The PURPOSE of John's Gospel was to declare that Jesus was MESSIAH to both the Jews and the Gentiles. And John was not alone in his proclamation. On Pentecost Peter declared to his fellow JEWS that Jesus is THEIR MESSIAH! As it is written:

Acts 2:36-38 36 Therefore let ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL [= JEWS] know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and MESSIAH. 37 ¶ Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I could go on and on and on. John Hagee has sold you a pack of LIES. The Bible declares that Jesus really did come to be Messiah to the Jews. John Hagee denies both Christ and the Bible.

Again, thanks for sharing your views. I encourage you to work with me on this in the Peace of Christ. If I have erred, show me where and I will repent. I hope you will hold yourself to the same standard of truth in Christ. Your struggle will help others who have been deceived by Hagee's perverse doctrine.

Richard

Edit to add: I get the impression you have not actually ready my refutation of Hagee's errors. I addressed the specific argument that Hagee was "really" only denying that "Jesus was Messiah to the Jews" in Post 22 of this thread.

[okmedia]

So you are saying that Jesus was wrong when he said he spoke in parables so that they would not believe in him?

John wrote his gospel AFTER Jesus was crucified and resurrected. That was part of the plan, it was necessary for the work of the cross to be completed, and if Jesus had been accepted as Messiah BEFORE that, then he would have become spiritual ruler of Israel. No cross, no resurrection. GET THE POINT?