1. ## Richard, when you get time : )

it even works with conversion tables, Richard

391 degrees = 1.0861 of a circle (1 circle + 0.861)
Yeshua = 391 (hebrew) ..God's Numbers = 816 (clock gematria)

234 degrees = 0.65 of a circle (more than 1 half of a circle)
Jesus = 65 (clock)

39.39 days + 39.39 weeks = from 1/1/01 to 11/12/2001
11/12 (316th day)...God's Numbers = 136 (clock)

800 degrees = 2.22 of a circle
8:00= minute/second hand are at 12 & 8 (Lord Jesus Christ=182 'clock'..)
Two = 39, God= 39, Jesus= 390 (clock gem.)

738 degrees = 2.05 of a circle (2 circles + 0.5)
205x6=1230 --->God's Number= 123 (clock) 738 (clock gem.)

http://www.onlineconversion.com
---->ANGLES Tab

AWESOME!

2. it even works with conversion tables, Richard

391 degrees = 1.0861 of a circle (1 circle + 0.861)
Yeshua = 391 (hebrew) ..God's Numbers = 816 (clock gematria)

234 degrees = 0.65 of a circle (more than 1 half of a circle)
Jesus = 65 (clock)

39.39 days + 39.39 weeks = from 1/1/01 to 11/12/2001
11/12 (316th day)...God's Numbers = 136 (clock)

800 degrees = 2.22 of a circle
8:00= minute/second hand are at 12 & 8 (Lord Jesus Christ=182 'clock'..)
Two = 39, God= 39, Jesus= 390 (clock gem.)

738 degrees = 2.05 of a circle (2 circles + 0.5)
205x6=1230 --->God's Number= 123 (clock) 738 (clock gem.)

http://www.onlineconversion.com
---->ANGLES Tab

AWESOME!

3. Originally Posted by ClockNumerology
it even works with conversion tables, Richard

391 degrees = 1.0861 of a circle (1 circle + 0.861)
Yeshua = 391 (hebrew) ..God's Numbers = 816 (clock gematria)

234 degrees = 0.65 of a circle (more than 1 half of a circle)
Jesus = 65 (clock)

39.39 days + 39.39 weeks = from 1/1/01 to 11/12/2001
11/12 (316th day)...God's Numbers = 136 (clock)

800 degrees = 2.22 of a circle
8:00= minute/second hand are at 12 & 8 (Lord Jesus Christ=182 'clock'..)
Two = 39, God= 39, Jesus= 390 (clock gem.)

738 degrees = 2.05 of a circle (2 circles + 0.5)
205x6=1230 --->God's Number= 123 (clock) 738 (clock gem.)

http://www.onlineconversion.com
---->ANGLES Tab

AWESOME!
What do you mean by "it works?" Do you not realize you could do the same thing with any random set of numbers? What makes you think random associations between numbers and words are meaningful?

Out of no where: just assign a letter to the alphabet (english).
And show how this happens everytime.

Thanks! I am not being fasecious. I really want to be enlightened by your thoughts, RAM.

more explaination can not be detailed here, unless stated.
http://clocknumerology.wordpress.com...y-second-page/
Last edited by ClockNumerology; 06-16-2011 at 02:49 AM.

5. Originally Posted by ClockNumerology

Out of no where: just assign a letter to the alphabet (english).
And show how this happens everytime.

Thanks! I am not being fasecious. I really want to be enlightened by your thoughts, RAM.

more explaination can not be detailed here, unless stated.
http://clocknumerology.wordpress.com...y-second-page/
I don't know what you mean when you say that it "happens every time." For example, you wrote:
391 degrees = 1.0861 of a circle (1 circle + 0.861)
Yeshua = 391 (hebrew) ..God's Numbers = 816 (clock gematria)
You switched the numbers from "0.861" to "816" to "make it work." So I suppose if the deesired number was 168 or 681 or 186 or 618 you also would have said it "worked." And if the number was 0.258 you would have connected it with 528 and declared THE KEY! Look at it always works! And on and on you go. Massaging random numbers to make them to "fit" into some random pattern so you can declare your system works "every time."

Do you understand why your numerology appears to be meaningless? Here's the key that should give you understanding: just tell me what it would take to prove that your system did NOT work.

6. MATRIX: something within or from which something else originates, develops, or takes form.

123 ...=321 "originated' from 123...

123 is 'something' (in this case, "Number A") from which 213 something else (in this case, "Number a") 'takes form.

NOTE: A = a (both are still within its own orignal meaning).

Numerology is a Matrix, RAM

"It does not take a genius to add 2 +2 = 22" -Albert Einsten
Last edited by ClockNumerology; 06-16-2011 at 06:08 PM.

7. Originally Posted by ClockNumerology
MATRIX: something within or from which something else originates, develops, or takes form.

123 ...=321 "originated' from 123...

123 is 'something' (in this case, "Number A") from which 213 something else (in this case, "Number a") 'takes form.

NOTE: A = a (both are still within its own orignal meaning).

Numerology is a Matrix, RAM

"It does not take a genius to add 2 +2 = 22" -Albert Einsten
That's all good, but it doesn't answer my question. Is there a difference between your numerology and the numerology we would find if we randomly assigned numbers to letters? If so, then tell me this: What would it take to discern between a meaningless numerology and your numerology? Do you understand this question? For example, there is a guy on this forum who believes that English Gematria proves Christianity because he has some identities like Jesus = 74 = Messiah = Gospel. But he then has make up excuses why Lucifer = 74 does not also prove that Jesus = Lucifer. Do you believe in English Gematria too? If not, why not? Do you just believe whatever you want regardless of evidence? What standards do you have?

All the best.

8. ## TO RAM

To clarify what I meant by "2+2=22":

The answer is not twenty-two, but both 4 and two,two(22). Not twenty-two.

As for (Jesus = 74 & Lucifer = 74); Lucifer has not given us his earth name (Lucifer is the name of the Angel who Rebelled against God in Heaven). Jesus has given us His name, who He is, and what He's not. Numerology does not apply to Lucifer at this point (pre-tribulation period).

What makes clock numerology different than all the rest?

I can prove that clock numerology -WAS!- inspired by the clock and the number six (6) is in the workings of its numeric clock ratio (60:60...ie 6)

Yes. I believe in English Gematria:

Examples: Messiah = 79 ...79th Day = 321st (LY) ...God's Number=123
The Messiah = 125 ...125th Day = 5/5 ..God=55 reverse.
215th day = 3rd of August....(8:15 minute/hour hand at 3 & 8)
8/15= 228th (LY) ...God's Numbers= 822 (eng. gem.)

That's an easy assesment of why I believe God is in everything, RAM. You certainly are not calling me 'meaningless' based on mine and your belief in God, are you?

What's the greatest thing about Hebrew Numerology that you like ( as well as others)? An example is what I'd like for you to give me, so that I may learn from the true hebrew tradition and apply it to clock numerology.

Bare in mind, I know nothing about Holographs, Cubes (numeric? 222x22x2?? or whatever)...I know only about Algerbra/Simple Geometry.
Last edited by ClockNumerology; 06-19-2011 at 04:54 AM.

9. Originally Posted by ClockNumerology
As for (Jesus = 74 & Lucifer = 74); Lucifer has not given us his earth name (Lucifer is the name of the Angel who Rebelled against God in Heaven). Jesus has given us His name, who He is, and what He's not. Numerology does not apply to Lucifer at this point (pre-tribulation period).
There are a few problems with that explanation. How am I supposed to know when numerology does or does not apply to something? Are there any rules, or do I just have to rely on your authority as the "Clock Numerology Guru?"

And what about all the other numerical patterns that "don't work" the way you would like them to? Do you have to make up excuses for each and every case? If so, don't you realize that proves your system has no objective validity and is really just something you make up as you go?

Do you really expect anyone to believe in your numerology if you just make up stuff to explain away why it doesn't really work?

And there is the funny little fact that contradicts your explanation anyway. The name "Lucifer" is not the name of any Angel. It is a MISTRANSLATION that passed into the King James Bible from the Latin Vulgate. So your explanation is not merely made up, it is based on an erroneous translation. The name "Lucifer" has no real Biblical meaning at all.

And to top it off, your explanation is based on pre-tribulational eschatology, which was made up in the nineteenth century.

Originally Posted by ClockNumerology
What makes clock numerology different than all the rest?

I can prove that clock numerology -WAS!- inspired by the clock and the number six (6) is in the workings of its numeric clock ratio (60:60...ie 6)

Yes. I believe in English Gematria:

Examples: Messiah = 79 ...79th Day = 321st (LY) ...God's Number=123
The Messiah = 125 ...125th Day = 5/5 ..God=55 reverse.
215th day = 3rd of August....(8:15 minute/hour hand at 3 & 8)
8/15= 228th (LY) ...God's Numbers= 822 (eng. gem.)

That's an easy assesment of why I believe God is in everything, RAM. You certainly are not calling me 'meaningless' based on mine and your belief in God, are you?
I don't think you understand the meaning of "proof." Merely providing some examples of some coincidences does not count as "proof" of anything.

And besides, the word "Messiah" in English Gematria equals 74, not 79! Therefore, if your "proof" were really a proof, this simple error would prove it false. Think about that. I've been trying to help you understand the nature of "proof." If you claim that the numbers "prove" something, then there must be a standard of proof that cuts both ways. In other words, you cannot prove something is true if the same standards do not have the potential to prove it false.

Do you understand what I am trying to explain to you? I asked before and you did not respond. Mere providing more examples proves nothing, especially when the examples are erroneous (Messiah = 74, not 79, in English Gematria).

Originally Posted by ClockNumerology
What's the greatest thing about Hebrew Numerology that you like ( as well as others)? An example is what I'd like for you to give me, so that I may learn from the true hebrew tradition and apply it to clock numerology.

Bare in mind, I know nothing about Holographs, Cubes (numeric? 222x22x2?? or whatever)...I know only about Algerbra/Simple Geometry.
On the surface, the standard Greek/Hebrew gematria looks no different than any other form of gematria because all it does is divide words into numerical classes, that is, lists of words that have the same numerical values. Such lists could never prove anything because any arbitrary assignment will generate interesting "hits" - words with common values that also have related meanings, such as Jesus = 74 = Messiah. Likewise, any arbitrary assignment will also contain many meaningless or contradictory "hits" such as Jesus = 74 = Lucifer.

So merely categorizing words by their numerical value proves nothing. But there is something else going on in the Biblical holographs. These are passages of Scripture which have a profoundly coherent and reiterative alphanumeric structures which are based on Primes and Figurate Numbers. It is this profound depth of self-reflective, reiterative, geometric structures that indicates some kind of intelligent design is going on. For example, consider the Shema, which Jesus said was the first and greatest commandment in the Bible:

Deut 6:4 Here O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Here are the values of the words found in that verse:

The LORD = 26 = 2 x 13
The LORD is One = 39 = 3 x 13 (3 x One => Trinity)
Sum of the Shema = 1118 = 86 x 13 = 86 (Elohim) x 13 (One)

Thus, the Shema is built on nested multiples of 13 with the sum of the entire Shema being 13 x 86, where 86 is the value of the fundamental Hebrew word Elohim (God). Thus, the meaning of the entire Shema is built on the numerical value of its central message (one = 13) and 13 is prime, and the first non-trivial Star number. And there is more - the Greek name of God as The Father is also a factor the sum of the Shema, specifically, Ho Pater (The Father) = 559, and 1118 = 2 x 559. I represent these ideas in this graphic which I call the Unity Holograph:

You can read about it in detail here. There's a lot more too it than I could squeeze into this short post.

I have discovered many holographs like this. If it were not for the holographs, I would reject gematria as nothing but an interesting hobby with no rigorous proof of its validity.

10. http://clocknumerology.wordpress.com...sraels-number/

So, here's what I've calculated for yours/mine enlightenment. The full link I have provided especially for you, Richard

Who is the Most High God? = 1533 (Jewish Gematria)
—>15:33 = 3:33 PM

The Number Three Hundred Thirty-Three = 1904 (Jewish Gematria)
—>19:04 = 7:04 PM
—>Yeshua = 704 (Jewish Gematria)
—>JESUS = 74 (english)

Three Hundred Thirty-Three = 1434 (Jewish Gematria)
—>14:34 = 2:34 PM
The Number of the Messiah = 234 (english) 333 (reverse eng.)
The Numbers of Jesus = 1434 (reverse english gem.)

1/333 = 0.0300300300
3:00 (min/hr hand at 12/3)
Lord Jesus Christ = 1230 (reverse english gem.)

For your sake, I have shortened this post. Thanks so much Richard. The link has alot more detail if so incline.

Blessings to You, in Jesus' Name.
-Chris Landreth-

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