That's ok, they are not to me.
Originally Posted by RAM
In Christianity, the concept is a singular coming of the only begotten son. Generation after generation have teachers in his Spirit, such as you mentioned above. Leo Tolstoy,...numerous.
Hindus believe God frequently comes to earth to teach. They call such incarnations "avatars." So that concept is not unique to Christianity.
Some in the scientific communities revere some of their men on parallel with a son of God, such as Stephen Hawking, Asminov, Pasteur, Newton and so forth. Not much difference. If any particular one be the Son of God and infallible, then serve and worship them.
In the book I sent you titled the song, there is a section where "everyman" is taken by Sarkon to visit the gravedigger who claims to have buried the Singer and that his grave has remained untouched. "Anthem" representing the apostles in the story tells everyman that this cannot be and gives him a scroll to open at the site, Everyman is promised that he will see the grave and be able to talk with the gravedigger. Sarkon is full of knowledge of the sciences, of art, literature and is very striking and charismatic. "Everyman" is drawn to Him.
When they get to the gravedigger, he is quite convincing and repeats that he himself buried the Singer. Even Sarkon becomes agitated at "Every man's insistence and questions. Then just before leaving Everyman pulled out the scroll which Anthem had given him and reads, "In the name of Earth-maker and Father Spirit and of truth, be thou what you are". The gravedigger shrivels into a lizard and is stepped on by Sarkon.
If we seek truth with a pure heart from faith in a Creator and faith in truth, we can ask HIM about systems and ideologies which may contain partial untruth and lies to reveal any inconsistencies or faults and untruths of their ways. With patience and faith in truth they will be revealed and answered.
In Christianity of the Way of Life of access to the Creator through faith, the concept is Fully God and Fully man. Fully Human and completely whole in his being and in fulfilling his heart motives and will.
And Muslims believe that Mohammad was the "perfect man" and their devotion to him seems much more passionate and real than Christian devotion to Christ because Muhammad was a real man, whereas Christians can't think of Christ as a real man because they are taught he is really God. I came to this conclusion after listening to how Muslims talk about their prophet. It seemed like a dramatic difference to me.
They may seem that way, but they are not. They were the recollection of the beginning formation of reasonable and logical questions about life which led to relatively early faith and sealing in the Spirit. The beginning foundation was a belief in a Creator God due to the abounding evidence in his creation, including the depth and complexity of the human being of who I was one.
But most importantly, you are just explaining why you like Christianity and why you think the Bible is true, but your explanations do not provide any objective evidence that would convince anyone of the truth of the Bible. Indeed, it wouldn't convince you if you had not begun with a belief in the Bible. In other words, you arguments seem circular.
The evidence of the way and power of truth and of God is in the fulfilled prophecies which we so often discuss.
I'll stand by my perspectives now twice offered. The scriptures themselves explain the perspective in Deut 8. To continue is just repetition of the same. There will be nothing I can say to alter your view.
Unfortunately, your explanation is completely unconvincing to anyone who has not already "drank the kool-aid." God did not "channel their rebellious and stiffnecked nature in a way that would reveal himself and his love in a future generation." On the contrary, God ordered the murder of every man, woman, and child, and allowed Moses to keep the virgins for sex-slaves and reproductive units. There is no "apology" for this moral abomination attributed to the God of the Bible.
Your statements reflect a lack of willingness to understand, accept or comprehend or of faith. But I do agree with you that these questions are free to be asked and demanded of God.
But there are questions asked in rebellion, disbelief, accusation and judgment; and there are questions genuinely asked from a seeking heart of faith that he IS and he is good. Your responses and rejection of explanation reflect that of the former questions. See again the above statements and recommendation about asking HIM in faith. He never commanded you or any post Christ individual to those actions of the mosaic covenant nationals.
As noted Paul declared this as the ministry of death and the veiled way, which is lifted when the individual heart would turn to Christ. Is 65:2 declares this as the way and principles which are not good.
They were the ones just like their Egyptian and Babylonian ritualistic religions had crafted a Golden cow in disbelief, impatience and self will.
Thanks again for the opportunity of testimony and the growth through interaction. And thanks especially for an open forum where the preterists perspectives can be hashed out. But I think we covered some of these concepts before. Perhaps I'll check back in on this in a few weeks. As mentioned other things on the go.
Last edited by EndtimesDeut32/70AD; 05-27-2011 at 09:51 PM.
1Thess 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
If you are oppressed and enslaved by religious law, you may have a tendency to oppress, enslave and attempt to lord over others who are free.