Is The Bible The Word Of God?

[Didymus]

I am seeing something that I never thought I would see in my life. Christians questioning the veracity of the Bible.

While the Bible, from original writings to today, has been through many copies, translations, groups deciding what goes in the Bible and what doesn't. Through all that, I believe, the Bible is the word of God. I do not come to that conclusion by intelligence, but by faith. Faith in a sovereign God that is more than capable of protecting His Word. And when man, in his free will, does mistranslate words, God is able to show us the truth.

Thanks for your time.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I am seeing something that I never thought I would see in my life. Christians questioning the veracity of the Bible.

While the Bible, from original writings to today, has been through many copies, translations, groups deciding what goes in the Bible and what doesn't. Through all that, I believe, the Bible is the word of God. I do not come to that conclusion by intelligence, but by faith. Faith in a sovereign God that is more than capable of protecting His Word. And when man, in his free will, does mistranslate words, God is able to show us the truth.

Thanks for your time.

So you are saying you just made it up? The Bible does not tell you which books it contains, so there is no way for you to know what you believe. You are basing your belief in the Protestant Bible on tradition. That's exactly what the Catholics do - they base their beliefs on tradition. How do you know the tradition you chose is correct? The Catholics and Greek Orthodox have been around a lot longer than the Protestants, so doesn't that prove that God was guiding them? But they have a different Bible than you ... so didn't God use his "sovereignty" to "protect His Word" through the Catholics and Greek Orthodox?

[Didymus]

So you are saying you just made it up? The Bible does not tell you which books it contains, so there is no way for you to know what you believe. You are basing your belief in the Protestant Bible on tradition. That's exactly what the Catholics do - they base their beliefs on tradition. How do you know the tradition you chose is correct? The Catholics and Greek Orthodox have been around a lot longer than the Protestants, so doesn't that prove that God was guiding them? But they have a different Bible than you ... so didn't God use his "sovereignty" to "protect His Word" through the Catholics and Greek Orthodox?

RAM,

How little you know about me. I do have Catholic Bibles. I have Bibles with the Apocrypha. I have books that contain what has been dubbed "spurious writings." I have writings of the Apostolic Fathers.

I am not convinced the Canon Divines were correct in their opinions of what did or did not belong in the canon. Those are intelligent opinions. But I have faith in the overall message, which is salvation through faith in Christ.

[Charles Wade]

RAM,

I am not convinced the Canon Divines were correct in their opinions of what did or did not belong in the canon. Those are intelligent opinions. But I have faith in the overall message, which is salvation through faith in Christ.

I would like to make a statement of faith.I am a solid washed in the blood believer. Didymus you just mentioned Mis-translations, You didn't mention the many additions to the Bible by the [sign] of brackets, and there are many verses that have no brackets that are added. I would like to give as an example Rev 20:5.. That verse is an addition......This leads to confusion which God allows or Jesus would not have spake in parable to fulfill the prophets writings of who is to know of what he spoke.

Now look at the confusion that has led to .....many false doctrines like two more false raptures. the White throne judgment being a 1,000 years later & HWA making a second chance doctrine and the list is just to great to mention.
As far as to challenge God's sovereignty with free will is way off base in my opinion. Sure God is sovereign, but His giving of free will is evident by the many additions that has been allowed.That is why the spirit must guide us true believers to the truth. Through the discrepancies that many believers say don't exist.

I am finally leaving the blind faith game and I have learned to ask my creator what is His truth & also I am learning to listen for the answers.

I have my God to pray to & get answers about the mess that man has made of the Bible through his free will, that our adversary has used so well to cause such a riff.
There is a great difference in questioning some of the words written in the Bible and questioning the Love, wisdom and power of our loving God

The ones that question the authenticity of it being inspired by God as all unbelievers do, are left without a God to ask and to receive and that leads to no blessings & no truth from above. That leaves it at mere intelligence and blinding ones self to the spiritual truth of which the Bible has in overflowin abundance, and rejecting its healing waters. Now if I would say to these people that God does hear my prayers and gives me answers{in time}, the scoffers say, well old man you have quite an imagination.They are certainly entitled to say it also.

That is the snare of the ones that leave the Bible as just a book written by man & some of it might contain truth.. They have OPENLY rejected the God of the Bible to take care of them. As their intelligence turns to ego they are slowly being led to deny God's existence or to throw away our safety net in the fact that Jesus was sent from above.And all of this is a lack of faith in a loving God, because the results of their ego leads to a mans made perception of the image of an unjust God....These have crossed the threshold from blind faith or DEAD faith into what they seem right to do, Some think they can write a better Bible or start a new religion.This is certainly there prerogative to do so and to try to nest with us other birds only brings forth a chirping & can bring forth pecking attacks of the insecure from our flock who will understandably try to send them back to there own flock, if they don't heed to the flocks nesting rules.

If you can't see a loving God in the Bible, & you see nothing but a condoning of evil and a fearful tyrant, then who wants to pray to that kind of God.They gonna have to join another flock of birds, that accept their kind eventually that also chirp the same song.

Didymus my friend, this is a go for yourself deal, as you very well know & understand... I would rather be in the pew and led by a preacher man in error and have "Blind Faith" than no faith. This type of faith will keep a person from the abyss, but they go into the spiritual Kingdom very poor indeed. You take that same blind faith & couple it with deeds of unselfish charity/LOVE and they then move into a living faith, because God will present Himself in some way to them to bolster their faith.You will receive a larger measure of love in return than you mete out.

It will be a rude awakening to the many that think being saved is becoming a son of God.....But that is a misconception on their part as it is not Biblical. You have to have the LOVE & faith that Jesus displayed to become one with the Father & that is acquired in the spirit world after we are released from this forum/garment flesh.

Birds of a feather flock together.... So indeed it is rare that a strange bird tries to nest/roost with a different flock, they generally stay with their own kind.
Meaning:The strange bird is not going to change the habits nor become a leader of the flock they gathered with, nor when to tell the leader the time to head south.

Take the strange bird Harold camping that the preterist have had for lunch, dinner & supper and still feasting on. This strange bird has not effected any futurists except for possibly his small flock.

Intelligence, will get more people in trouble trying to solve the Bible, than a dim witted person. The dim witted believer will have more faith, and it more of a living faith, than blind faith. Simply because they are humble & full of love & believe what they can understand of what is taught to them by man about the word of God.They believe this with their heart, body, mind, & soul and therefore they are much more prepared for the spirit world. Just watch them, the believing dim witted ones are always full of love and have a caring for others that even make them weep upon hearing of the mishaps of others.

I do believe the Bible was inspired of God, but man had the pencil and the intellect to write it, as it shows when only studying the words on an intellectual basis......So when questions arrive of the veracity of the bible in its whole and intellect takes over and leads to discounting the bible as the word of God, they have no God to pray to & lead them because they have no faith. So some keep looking for a divine text to drop from the sky that is signed & dated by some invisible being, because they want a God also to pray to, I suppose.Mostly they want proof, a sign or a guarantee when it takes faith & this the sign of ego being heavily at work

A very high Intelligence can and often does lead to arrogance, a sense of being exalted above others, and a know it all of all things and the use of a vocabulary to present themselves as an intelligent person, no matter to whom they are talking to. But they can't get the truth out of a parable,or a spiritual meaning of scripture that has simple words because they lack the spirit to guide them and no faith in a higher intelligence than theirs.The disease of intelligence is pride & ego..... and rarely are the people that have it are humbled!But it surely serves this person in this world as to gather as much worldly possessions of which can not fit in their coffin and leaves them very poor when they pass to the spiritual realm after the body dies.

Jesus said: "Whoever then humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes a child like this in my name welcomes me".

It all boils down to faith and a person has free will to decide accept or deny. That is what this game is about. Because the one with the living faith came from above to this slime hole of a world because He loves His brother even tho they are in a fallen state.This our spiritual brother did, to show us the way back home in the heavens.
All in my humble opinion, Chas.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I am seeing something that I never thought I would see in my life. Christians questioning the veracity of the Bible.

While the Bible, from original writings to today, has been through many copies, translations, groups deciding what goes in the Bible and what doesn't. Through all that, I believe, the Bible is the word of God. I do not come to that conclusion by intelligence, but by faith. Faith in a sovereign God that is more than capable of protecting His Word. And when man, in his free will, does mistranslate words, God is able to show us the truth.

Thanks for your time.

Why aren't you a Muslim? Couldn't you put the same "non-intelligent" faith in the Quran as in the Bible? Why choose one over the other if you are not using your intelligence?

[Rose]

I am seeing something that I never thought I would see in my life. Christians questioning the veracity of the Bible.

While the Bible, from original writings to today, has been through many copies, translations, groups deciding what goes in the Bible and what doesn't. Through all that, I believe, the Bible is the word of God. I do not come to that conclusion by intelligence, but by faith. Faith in a sovereign God that is more than capable of protecting His Word. And when man, in his free will, does mistranslate words, God is able to show us the truth.

Thanks for your time.

Hi didymus,

Where did you get your faith from to believe the Bible is the word of God?

Rose

[Didymus]

Hi didymus,

Where did you get your faith from to believe the Bible is the word of God?

Rose

I have had that faith ever since I can remember, even before I have ever seen a Bible. I think I picked it up from my parents.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I have had that faith ever since I can remember, even before I have ever seen a Bible. I think I picked it up from my parents.

And if your parents were Muslim, what do you suppose you would be believing today?

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

And if your parents were Muslim, what do you suppose you would be believing today?

Muslims don't claim that Mohammed was Creator God in Flesh. They think of him as A Prophet, and the greatest prophet of all, co-equal with Jesus. But they think of Mohammed as 'the prophet' of Deut 18.

This cannot be as the effects of his coming did not establish the new covenant, new heavens, earth, nor do away with the power of the old. Mohammed did not satisfy the actions of the office of the 'new prophet'. Jesus did.

If I would believe in a Creator and a Loving Creator, of which there is great evidence in his creation; and of which I do believe; and if he had Created and formed man in his image of intelligence, and able to facilitate both spoken and written language and communication; would it be logical that this Loving creator would reveal and confirm aspects of himself and eternal life through those means? YES!!!, it would be logical and reasonable that this loving Creator would confirm aspects of himself, his ways and will; of Life, and His Love through the means of intelligent verbal and written records and communication.

Would it be logical and reasonable to consider that this LOVING and Good creator would leave a relatively [or very] reliable record of his communication.?? Yes, it would be relatively logical and reasonable to consider such occurrence.

Would it also be reasonable and logical for that loving creator to enter into his creation to give and confirm ample evidence of himself and his will and ways of life in order to satisfy any doubts and disbelief about him?? Yes, it would.

This would be a major difference between Islam and 'The Way' to and with the Father/Creator. Islam, I think, views Jesus as another prophet. The Chistian biblical concept is that the Creator himself came in the incarnation in the form of a man, making himself a little lower than the angels [in stature, rank and position] for a time. Hence both son of God, Son of man.

Islam, like judaism, to be honest, should then condemn Christ as a false prophet or twist the intent of his words, since Jesus claimed to be very God incarnate.

Mohammed is not much different than Joseph Smith in some ways...

[Richard Amiel McGough]

And if your parents were Muslim, what do you suppose you would be believing today?

Muslims don't claim that Mohammed was God in Flesh. They think of his as A Prophet, and the greatest prophet of all, co-equal with Jesus. But they think of Mohammed as 'the prophet' of Deut 18.

This cannot be as the effects of his coming did not establish the new covenant, nor do away with the power of the old. Mohammed did not satisfy the office of the 'new prophet'.

That doesn't answer the question I asked.

If I would believe in a Creator and a Loving Creator, of which there is great evidence in his creation; and of which I do believe; and if he had Created man in his image of intelligence, and able to facilitate both spoken and written language; would it be logical that this Loving creator would reveal and confirm aspects of himself and eternal life through those means? YES!!!, it would be logical and reasonable that this loving Creator would confirm aspects of himself, his ways and will; of Life, and His Love through the means of intelligent verbal and written records.

Yes! Yes! Yes! It WOULD be logical, and that's the problem. The Bible contains many contradictions, logical absurdities, and moral abominations attributed to the God it describes. Therefore, by your own standard, you must reject the Bible as the Word of God. It may be "influenced" by God in some way, but it cannot be the "inerrant and infallible Word of God."

Would it also be reasonable and logical for that loving creator to enter into his creation to give and confirm ample evidence of himself and his will and ways of life in order to satisfy any doubts and disbelief about him?? Yes, it would.
This would be a major difference between Islam and 'The Way' to and with the Father/Creator.

Sure, it may be logical, or maybe not. The Muslims certainly would not think so. But that's irrelevant because the mere fact something is a "reasonable" possibility does not mean it is true.