I have to agree that you are correct and I missed the time line issue.
1. If Jesus taught Martha & His disciples that immediately after death their spirits will go into the Kingdom to be with Him, then also His spirit went to the Father immediately after death on the cross.. He crossed from death to eternal life, just as He told Martha that if we believe in Him, we will never die.
2.The points you bring up seems very valid as to the spiritual resurrection as He went in the Spirit to preach to the spirits imprisoned.
3. Three gospels against Johns version of the , I have not ye been to the Father so don't touch me is outweighed by the other three gospels.
So Brother Les, it looks like you have a very good point and thanks for the insight.
Other than me missing this time line in the spiritual resurrection and His bodily resurrection..
Question 1..Is there anything else you see that I may have overlooked with the other four scriptures trying to bolster my view?
I imagine the preterists use these verses also to show Jesus was speaking of life continues after death, with belief in Him like he told Martha: "and the one who lives and believes in me will never die".
Jesus said this to his disciples: "the one who hears my message and believes the one who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, but has crossed over from death to life".
These verses are also crucial to show that this resurrection is past as Paul explains in Romans six, so it has two purposes to bolster my view. Spirits no longer face Sheol because you cross over death into eternal life and when the body dies then we go immediately into the Kingdom.
Question 2.So, If I have this correct, I guess we see eye to eye on these literal and spiritual meanings of the first four examples? The time line issue I agree with you & thanks for the enlightenment. I can concede to your view because the evidence is heavily in your favor of a spiritual resurrection upon Jesus death.
Thanks Brother Les, let me know. I have to take this slowly because I am trying to see if I can comprehend the view of preterists.
Question 3. Can you agree a good understanding of Romans six is very useful to understand your link you sent me too...."The existence of Two Worlds".... Chas
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: