Why Caiaphas must have seen Christ's coming

[Kangaroo Jack]

64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Matthew 26:64

Hey Guys,

We all have attempted to enlighten the Futurists to the truth of Jesus ad70 coming by appealing to Christ's statement to Caiaphas. And we have all encountered the Futurist's explanation that Caiaphas will see Christ's coming at the resurrection. I just thought of something today which totally dispels that explanation. Jesus said that Caiaphas would also see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power. But Caiaphas will not be able to see Christ sitting at the right hand of power at the resurrection because Paul said that at that time Christ will have delivered the kingdom to the Father. In other words, at the resurrection Christ's reign at God's right hand will have ceased. Therefore, Caiaphas must have seen Christ sitting at the right hand of power in His lifetime.

Caiaphas saw Christ reign through the events which accompanied His session at God's right hand. In like manner he saw Christ's coming.

Yeap! I am saying that Christ's session at God's right hand was finished in ad70. He does not reign as Mediator now. He reigns directly as God.

KJ

[TheForgiven]

Good points brother. However, I'm sure they'll have enough reasons to find a way to make their contradictions work. All it takes is a little thinking, and a vivid imagination, and before you know it, an entirely new brand of Futurism will emerge. Some on here have already invented new ideas; probably won't take long before it's marketed as a product. And why not? Harold Camping can do it, why not all the other Futurist's. Actually, I think it's about time for a new brand of Futurism to unfold. This entire 1948 and 1967 Israel thing has expired, and they are not even close to becoming a nation to themselves again; much less see a rebuilt temple. So, why even bother with a false theory.

Anyways, good point.

Joe

[Kangaroo Jack]

Good points brother. However, I'm sure they'll have enough reasons to find a way to make their contradictions work. All it takes is a little thinking, and a vivid imagination, and before you know it, an entirely new brand of Futurism will emerge. Some on here have already invented new ideas; probably won't take long before it's marketed as a product. And why not? Harold Camping can do it, why not all the other Futurist's. Actually, I think it's about time for a new brand of Futurism to unfold. This entire 1948 and 1967 Israel thing has expired, and they are not even close to becoming a nation to themselves again; much less see a rebuilt temple. So, why even bother with a false theory.

Anyways, good point.

Joe

Joe,

So you would concur with me that Christ's mediatorial reign at the right hand is finished?

KJ

[TheForgiven]

I believe He sits at the right hand of God, and reigns upon the nations with His staff. Nations who betray Him, or drift away from truth, He thus judges. So in one hand I believe His reign was fulfilled in the first century by fulfilling two things:

1. Destroying the Apostates who called themselves children of God, and descendants of Abraham, yet murdering their own kinsmen according to the flesh who preached in the name of Jesus.

2. Defeated the ancient religions of the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, and the Babylonians; basically all of Asia Minor, to also include geographical Israel.

By fulfilling those two things alone, He not only established His kingdom upon all the "then" inhabited world, but defeated the spread of death.

Joe

[Kangaroo Jack]

I believe He sits at the right hand of God, and reigns upon the nations with His staff. Nations who betray Him, or drift away from truth, He thus judges. So in one hand I believe His reign was fulfilled in the first century by fulfilling two things:

1. Destroying the Apostates who called themselves children of God, and descendants of Abraham, yet murdering their own kinsmen according to the flesh who preached in the name of Jesus.

2. Defeated the ancient religions of the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, and the Babylonians; basically all of Asia Minor, to also include geographical Israel.

By fulfilling those two things alone, He not only established His kingdom upon all the "then" inhabited world, but defeated the spread of death.

Joe

So you have a little seed of Futurism in you after all eh? Christ's reign at the right hand is COMPLETELY finished. It was finished when the last enemy (death) was destroyed.

You say that He sits on the right hand. Then you say, "one the one hand it is fulfilled." This is confusion!

KJ

[TheForgiven]

So you have a little seed of Futurism in you after all eh? Christ's reign at the right hand is COMPLETELY finished. It was finished when the last enemy (death) was destroyed.

You say that He sits on the right hand. Then you say, "one the one hand it is fulfilled." This is confusion!

KJ

He reigns with a rod of Iron. Think about it like this.

Every king in the past seeks out to conquer nations to expand his empire. Jesus did that in the first century, and gained the entire inhabited world of that time. Now when I say gain, I do not say that His kingdom consisted of every inch of territory or population, but that each nation contained lights (Churches) to serve as a guide to the populace. This is one way how He reigns upon the nations.

Yes I believe He defeated death. When we die, we are no longer bound to Hades, nor do we sleep as the ancients did; this is my opinion. But does this mean that His reign ended then? Of course not; He defeated the nations, and has served as the King of the world since then, and even now, and forever more; there is no end to His reign, nor to His kingdom. We do not live in a perfect world, and an imperfect world requires a perfect King to rule over us. Thus, in this way I believe His reign is eternal; fulfilled in the first century by defeating the nations, and continuing in our century and beyond, to rule over the nations He has conquered.

Make sense?

Joe

[Brother Les]

Joe,

So you would concur with me that Christ's mediatorial reign at the right hand is finished?

KJ

You are correct, Christ has given all power and authority back to God The Father.



20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 29Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?