Thanks Joe, I will say I'm still formulating much of my own understanding and trying to harmonize these Prophesies and visions. I seem to be alone in how I interpert much of these. There is only one other person I know who agrees with me, but he is in school and don't have much time in these forums to discuss his complete view. I haven't found any other author or site that brings this postion out so I press onward.
Originally Posted by TheForgiven
I like the NKVJ 'But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days." Here Daniel is told to seal the visions up or seal the book until the time of the end. In this particular verse Daniel is told to go his way until the end for then shall he find rest and shall arise to in 'lot' or inheritance which is at the end of the days.
"Go your way Daniel, for this pertains to the distant future. You will sleep and arise to receive your inheritance".
So first shall Daniel go his way until the end? Lets take a look at what that 'end' shall be. The first reference is found in chapter 8 where Gabriel is given to Daniel the interpertations of the second vision of the Ram and Goat with a little horn that comes up.
17 So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, 'Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end.'
18 Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground; but he touched me, and stood me upright. 19 And he said, 'Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be.
So what vision was refered to as the end? It was that of the Seleucid kingdom of which Antiochus was to pollute the sanctuary and take away the daily.
Lets continue, and we find that Daniel again gives a reference to the end or the latter days in chapter 10 of which he spoke of the latter days being when the prince of Persia and the prince of Gercia come.
Daniel 10:13-14, 20-21
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.'
20 Then he said, 'Do you know why I have come to you? And now I must return to fight with the prince of Persia; and when I have gone forth, indeed the prince of Greece will come. 21 But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.
Notice the end would not come while the prince of Perisa, but when the prince of Grecia shall come, so at that time for Daniel it was still yet future. For one thing was to happen and that was that his people would have to return to the holy land and that happens by Cyrus the Persian. The end would not come until the prince of Greece came and their return to the holy land.
As I understand to stand in thy lot is to say to stand or remain in your postion until the end come, for when that day come you will know becasue of wisdom of your understanding of these visions. Blessed is he who remains faithful unto the end of 1335 days.
If we are to assume that the Seleucid was the fourth kingdom of which Daniel was told would be in the distant future, then this wouldn't make that much sense, considering the Seleucid attacks on Jerusalem happened almost 200 years before Christ (about 168 B.C.). This also pushed Christ out of the picture, as well as the seventy sevens, AND we know that Daniel did not rise to receive his inheritence until after Christ was raised.
The iron may not be there to represent the kingdom of Seleucid, but rather the Hellenistic kingdom which regined in both the south and north divisions therefore are seen as two legs of which it's ten toes was mixed.
Another problem is with the metal iron. The Greeks were not accustomed to using iron; it was the Romans who developed Iron, and the Greeks who developed brass. That's why the image seen by Nebuchadnezzar was consistent with the metals used with each successive kingdom; Gold for Babylon, silver for Medes and Persians, Brass for the Greeks, and Iron for the Romans. The elements are a key factor in determining the identity of each kingdom, beginning with the kingdom of Babylon. And so it not possible for the two legs of Iron or feet mixed with iron and clay, to represent the Seleucid Dynasty. And as stated, the Seleucid dynasty was not that strong.
You the have the problem with the two legs of iron and feet mixed with Iron and clay. The Angel tells Daniel that because the clay and iron feet symbolize the weakness of unity (inability to bond together), this would result in the ease of destruction by the stone kingdom that destroys it. What kingdom existed from God that destroyed the Seleucid dynasty? It certainly wasn't the Mosaic covenant as even after the Greeks, they remained in bondage to foreign domination, from Babylon to Rome.
In conclusion, it is not possible for the two legs of Iron and feet mixed with clay, to represent the Seleucid Empire. The iron is a symbol for Rome as it was Rome who developed and used Iron, while the Greeks were known for their extensive use of brass. Thus the Seleucid dynasty made no contributions to iron. The kingdom of Christ was established during the days of the kings from the Roman Empire; clearly a first century event. Therefore, the two legs of iron, also known as Daniel's fourth beast kingdom, was not Grecian, but 100% percent Roman, until the days when Rome began to mix with the races (something that did not happen with the Seleucid dynasty), and thus contributed to their disunity, and allowing the Church to easily gain influence and popularity among its growing converted society into Christianity; the stone that dashed to pieces, Rome and the prior kingdoms.
As I stated it may well be an representation of Hellenistic kingdom.