Masoretic Text vs. Greek Septuagint

[TheForgiven]

Looks like date setting to me. Honestly? Where do these folks come from?

Jesus said that no man knew the day nor the hour. Yet seems like strange men pop up every generation thinking that they've somehow cracked the numbers code to determine what THEY believe to be the physical return of Jesus. I don't think Futurist's realize just how FAR away they are from Jesus. Every single lie and error that spews from their mouths is a clear indication that Jesus is not in them. And for "Bible Scribe", wrongly named I might add, claims that salvation is not connected with Prophesy, well that's one opinion that needs to remain where it came from; in the middle of the mire.

Date setters, after becoming known liars, have no place in heaven, I'm sorry to say. Revelation states that all liars have their eternal abode in the second death. Unless of course they believe in John Cavlin's twisted doctrine of eternal security and salvation to all sinners.

Joseph

[BibleScribe]

Hi TheForgiven, (Joseph),

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Jesus said that no man knew the day nor the hour.
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I think you misquoted the text. I believe it actually says: No man knows the day, nor the hour, nor the week, nor the month, nor the season, nor the year (1), nor the decade (10), nor the score (20), nor the century (100), nor the daytona (500), nor the millennia (1,000).

... or as some might assert.

"Bible Scribe", ..., claims that salvation is not connected with Prophesy, ...

This certainly is NEWS to me. Perhaps you could cite the post which you attribute to me.

Date setters, after becoming known liars, have no place in heaven,

You might want to be careful when you accuse, because if I didn't say that "salvation is not connected with Prophecy", (... and I didn't ...), then that would make you a ... ?!?! ... and recipient of the respective consequence which you ascribe.



BibleScribe

[duxrow]

Psalms 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. [3 twenties, and a ten]

Ps90:12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.

Ps90:13: Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.

and....I've always figured there's a difference between THEN and NOW

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

Looks like date setting to me. Honestly? Where do these folks come from?

Jesus said that no man knew the day nor the hour. Joseph

I think we miss the little word <OF>

36But of that day and hour knoweth [percieve] no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

see Zech 14.

Jesus is saying that no one would know [percieve and fully understand] all the details [of or about that day] until they occured.

This must be referring to events surrounding the desolation of Jerusalem and the establishment of the kindom and favor to the saints [DAN 7] due to it's inclusion in the other events of that time.

The removal of the mosaic covenant heavens and earth support first century parmeters.

Furthermore, they would and did understand that this would occur during the 'times and seasons' that were established by the mosaic covenant. Though in Acts 1:7 he told the disciples that it was not for them to know by experience [all] the times and seasons... but that they would recieve power @ Pentecost. John would REMAIN till he came.

See Definition for ginosko G1097 [Acts 1:7]
See Definition for eido G1492 [Matt 24:36, Mk 13:32]
See Definition for epistamai G1987
See Definition for suniemi G4920

G1097 - a knowledge grounded on personal experience
G1492 - to see with the mind's eye, signifies a clear and purely mental perception
G1987 - a knowledge obtained by proximity to the thing known, cf. our understanding
G4920 - implies a native insight, knowledge gained through the five senses

[BibleScribe]

Psalms 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. [3 twenties, and a ten]
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If the nation of Israel (1948) offers a one-generation timeline, and Psalms 90:10 says a generation is 70 years, then one could arrive to 2018.

If the 19th Book of the Bible is prophetic for the 1900s, Chapter for year, such that Book 19 Chapter 44 is the 1944 Holocaust; Book 19, Chapter 48 is the 1948 nation of Israel; etc., -- then is Book 19, Chapter 118 the end of the generation since 1948? And does this Chapter portend an event which agrees with the one-generation from 1948??



With Best Regards,
BibleScribe

[Brother Les]

But salvation is not dependent on understanding prophecy, and that's the most important consideration. However, prophecy is provided that we not be caught unaware. Thus my council.


With Best Regards,
BibleScribe

The timing of Salvation is dependent on the playing out of prophecy. No one..... and I mean no one will recieve The Hope of The Fathers (Redemption, Resurrection, Salvation) untill ALL of the Judgement prophecies of Blessings and Curses have been fullfilled. Until The Dead and Hell have been thrown into the Lake of Fire, All souls will still go to Sheol. IF you do not believe (or understand) that Death and Hell are gone, then you are most likely not Redeemed from The Deat, are not Resurrected from The Death and there by Do Not have Salvation.....

If the nation of Israel (1948) offers a one-generation timeline, and Psalms 90:10 says a generation is 70 years, then one could arrive to 2018.

With this in mind should not 'the church' (christians?) have been raptured out of here last year and the 'great' tribulation have started by now????

[Richard Amiel McGough]

If the nation of Israel (1948) offers a one-generation timeline, and Psalms 90:10 says a generation is 70 years, then one could arrive to 2018.

If the 19th Book of the Bible is prophetic for the 1900s, Chapter for year, such that Book 19 Chapter 44 is the 1944 Holocaust; Book 19, Chapter 48 is the 1948 nation of Israel; etc., -- then is Book 19, Chapter 118 the end of the generation since 1948? And does this Chapter portend an event which agrees with the one-generation from 1948??



With Best Regards,
BibleScribe

Congratulations!

You have been accepted into The Datesetter Club which has a 2000 year record of PERFECT ERROR!

Date setters and date suggesters have always been wrong, 100% of the time.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I think we miss the litter word OF>

36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

see Zech 14.

Jesus is saying that no one would know all the details [of or about that day] until they occured.

This must be referring to events surrounding the desolation of Jerusalem and the establishment of the kindom and favor to the saints [DAN 7] due to it's inclusion in the other events of that time.
The removal of the mosaic covenant heavens and earth support first century parmeters.

Nice try, but your explanation doesn't work because it ignores the context of the answer which was given in response to the question "WHEN will these things be?"

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

Nice try, but your explanation doesn't work because it ignores the context of the answer which was given in response to the question "WHEN will these things be?"

I disagree. The word "OF" is included in both Matt and Marks account.

Mat 24:36 But of [about] that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mar 13:32 But of [about] that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

It cannot be glossed over or missed. It's a preposition which alters the topic of the sentence. The topic of the particular sentence is not when, but a reference to knowing [seeing, percieving,] further or every aspects and details of 'that day' of the removal of the mosaic covt heaven and earth [from vs 35]. This perspective is further supported by the word "BUT" which associates it with the sentence before it.

But.... OF.... or about that day...of the removal of the mosaic covenant heavens and earth...[vs 35] no man knows [eido]. No man would have a clear perception of the freedom from both the law of Moses and of the law of sin/death as well as the experience of the vindication from their accusers.


See Definition for ginosko G1097 [Acts 1:7]
See Definition for eido G1492 [Matt 24:36, Mk 13:32]
See Definition for epistamai G1987
See Definition for suniemi G4920

G1097 - a knowledge grounded on personal experience
G1492 - to see with the mind's eye, signifies a clear and purely mental perception
G1987 - a knowledge obtained by proximity to the thing known, cf. our understanding
G4920 - implies a native insight, knowledge gained through the five senses

It seems that if he was telling them that no man would know the day nor hour, that the verb could more likely be epistimai and he would have left out the word [OF].

This is where prophetic and spiritual descriptions such as Zech 14 come in.

1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, [enforce the Olivet discourse ??] which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time [when the events are over] it shall be light. [People will understand]

8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Since this is at the time of the revealed confirmation of the new covenant, parts of the rest of this prophecy would refer to New Jerusalem.

Reguarding one Lord in vs 9; See Hosea 1:11, 2:23 which are referred to in 2Thess 2:1

They were already told that the destruction of the temple and the end of the mosaic covenant age would occur within their generation [vs 34]and that they were to flee Jerusalem after the armies circled Jerusalem.

They were given further signs leading up to that day, so the question of when and request for signs were answered apart from this. If he would have been answering a question about when would be the day and hour, it would have been worded as: "But no man knoweth the day nor hour......

They may have already understood that these events would coincide with the latter part of the 40 yrs of establishment of the mosaic covenant and the replacement of the 'times and seasons'; even with the fall feasts and 'day of atonement'.

But additionally, since the circling by the armies and their withdraw... throuigh the destruction of the temple and other events occured over a period of time, Jesus could not have been speaking of a specific day or hour. They asked when shall THESE THINGS [plural] be.... AND the signs of his coming AND the end of the age.

Furthermore, If they had been astute to the pattern established by Babylonian events, they may have not had to ask of the day nor hour of the fall of the temple.

I guess the main difference is weather the words 'of that day and hour' are intended to mean an exact calander date and exact hour of that date or if they are intended to mean the knowledge and foresight of the spiritual, and political ramifications and changes surrounding and after [OF]the fall of the temple which would equate with the favor of the kingdom of Peace and Life being delivered to the saints [Dan 7] as his teachings, freedoms, love and the reality of his entity were further [now openly] verified [RESURRECTED] through these events.

[TheForgiven]

Bible Scribe", ..., claims that salvation is not connected with Prophesy, ...
This certainly is NEWS to me. Perhaps you could cite the post which you attribute to me.

LOL, -- no, and I don't think either of us are "new" to too many things.

But I gotta tell you, '93, '97, & 2000 weren't "date setting" anymore than having 29 years of service in 2014 is "date setting". And they're were (are) all correct except possibly for 2014, with an ~advisory~ by my wife if I "don't knock it off".

But salvation is not dependent on understanding prophecy, and that's the most important consideration. However, prophecy is provided that we not be caught unaware. Thus my council.


With Best Regards,
BibleScribe

You stated to Richard in an older post that salvation is not "dependent" on understanding prophesy. Thus, I did not misunderstand you, unless of course you meant something else.

Prophesy is directly relative to salvation. If you are wrong, and you continue to adapt or believe ideas based on a false theology, then your salvation is as risk; you will fall from grace. Believing a lie (according to Revelation) is a very bad thing. Those who love and practice lying and falsehood (this includes preaching on false speculations about the end-times) can lead one to eternal punishment.

I've read a few of your bizarre ideas, and I must say my friend, that it's ideas like the ones you've presented that give Christianity a bad reputation.

Joseph