Da'ath

[NumberX]

In the Biblical Hebrew the word da'ath is translated to 'knowledge' (Strong's no. 1847), like it's used in Proverbs 11:9.

Knowlegde - science

Maybe not much to discuss about but I thought that you, dear reader, might like to know

[Richard Amiel McGough]

In the Biblical Hebrew the word da'ath is translated to 'knowledge' (Strong's no. 1847), like it's used in Proverbs 11:9.

Knowlegde - science

Maybe not much to discuss about but I thought that you, dear reader, might like to know

I always liked that word. Doh! Duh! Da'ah. Yada' Da'ath.

Lot's of "knowing" concepts connected with the Fourth Letter.

This is nicely exemplified by the opening verse of Genesis 4, corresponding to Dalet:

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew (yada') Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare (teled) Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

The word "bare" is spelled Tav Lamed Dalet, which is Dalet spelled backwards.

I chat about a lot of these connected ideas here.

[NumberX]

Yeah the daleth spans the whole creation. The six days of creation in Gen. 1 are made with 434 words. Daleth 4-30-400 = 434. That's in the Word. We went through the 'door' into the world of the four.. seasons, parts of the day etc. That's the four in the physical world. Here we see the connection of the Word with the Physical World. Creation through the Word. God speaks in Gen. 1.

Now rumour goes that Cain is no son of Adam I read once, because Eve says I have gotten a man from the LORD. What do you think about that?

And the word yada' is not clear to me, can you tell something about this word?

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Yeah the daleth spans the whole creation. The six days of creation in Gen. 1 are made with 434 words. Daleth 4-30-400 = 434. That's in the Word. We went through the 'door' into the world of the four.. seasons, parts of the day etc. That's the four in the physical world. Here we see the connection of the Word with the Physical World. Creation through the Word. God speaks in Gen. 1.

Now rumour goes that Cain is no son of Adam I read once, because Eve says I have gotten a man from the LORD. What do you think about that?

And the word yada' is not clear to me, can you tell something about this word?

Re Four and Creation: There is a lot of insight to be found on the Fourth Day when God gave sun, stars, and moon to be for "signs, seasons, days, and years (four things). Time is generally divided into a quaternity.



Re Cain not a son of Adam: I think that is ludicrous. The text says "Adam knew Eve his wife and she conceived." The Bible frequently speaks of conception as an act of God. That's why she got Cain "from the Lord." I can't believe the way folks just make up stuff all the time. It's like the ridiculous "serpent seed" doctrine that says Cain was literally the son of the devil who had sex with Eve. The Bible seems to be the ultimate sink-hole for nut-cases.

Re Yada': Yod Dalet Ayn = To Know.

[refugeeguru]

I always liked that word. Doh! Duh! Da'ah. Yada' Da'ath.

Lot's of "knowing" concepts connected with the Fourth Letter.

This is nicely exemplified by the opening verse of Genesis 4, corresponding to Dalet:

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew (yada') Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare (teled) Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

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The English version is a bit misleading -- the Hebrew version reads:

וְהָ֣אָדָ֔ם יָדַ֖ע אֶת־חַוָּ֣ה אִשְׁתֹּ֑ו וַתַּ֙הַר֙ וַתֵּ֣לֶד אֶת־קַ֔יִן וַתֹּ֕אמֶר קָנִ֥יתִי אִ֖ישׁ אֶת־יְהוָֽה׃

The ET in front of God's name indicates that Eve spoke of God as being the direct object of the verb ie the English "from" (or sometimes "with the help of") added by English translators is a Fiddle - to get around some very awkward Hebrew phraseology - which hides a lot of secrets about the new relationship (post fall) between God and humanity

[refugeeguru]

In the Biblical Hebrew the word da'ath is translated to 'knowledge' (Strong's no. 1847), like it's used in Proverbs 11:9.

Knowlegde - science

Maybe not much to discuss about but I thought that you, dear reader, might like to know

Abraham packed Keturah's sons off to the east. Amongst the "kids" was a grandson named Asher. He made it to India, where he taught the locals some of the spiritual knowledge he picked up from granddad - so he taught them about (just like St Paul would do much later), Wisdom, Understanding AND KNOWLEDGE.

The Indians had no idea that there was an "AND" in there, so they assumed that "V'Da'at" was the word for knowledge. So they have called knowledge Veda ever since.

When the Indians wanted some high quality spiritual education, the choofed off to Asher's place, and learnt their Veda from his family, known (Hebrew plural tacked on the end of Asher's name) as the ASHERIM.

Nearly 4,000 years later, the Hindus still study the VEDAS at an ASHRAM.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

The English version is a bit misleading -- the Hebrew version reads:

וְהָ֣אָדָ֔ם יָדַ֖ע אֶת־חַוָּ֣ה אִשְׁתֹּ֑ו וַתַּ֙הַר֙ וַתֵּ֣לֶד אֶת־קַ֔יִן וַתֹּ֕אמֶר קָנִ֥יתִי אִ֖ישׁ אֶת־יְהוָֽה׃

The ET in front of God's name indicates that Eve spoke of God as being the direct object of the verb ie the English "from" (or sometimes "with the help of") added by English translators is a Fiddle - to get around some very awkward Hebrew phraseology - which hides a lot of secrets about the new relationship (post fall) between God and humanity

I changed the font to "Century Gothic." They did a much better job with the Hebrew, don't you think?

As for the meaning of "et" in that verse. Yes, it usually is the sign of the direct object (aka accusative case). But it also means "with" which can imply "with the help of" as you noted.

Others, who like making up stuff, have said it implies that the "aish" Eve acquired was the LORD himself, or at least she thought so. They would translate it as "I have gotten a man who is the LORD." I think this interpretation is exceedingly unlikely.

Your comment is rather cryptic. What is the "new relationship" you see hinted at in this verse?

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Abraham packed Keturah's sons off to the east. Amongst the "kids" was a grandson named Asher. He made it to India, where he taught the locals some of the spiritual knowledge he picked up from granddad - so he taught them about (just like St Paul would do much later), Wisdom, Understanding AND KNOWLEDGE.

The Indians had no idea that there was an "AND" in there, so they assumed that "V'Da'at" was the word for knowledge. So they have called knowledge Veda ever since.

When the Indians wanted some high quality spiritual education, the choofed off to Asher's place, and learnt their Veda from his family, known (Hebrew plural tacked on the end of Asher's name) as the ASHERIM.

Nearly 4,000 years later, the Hindus still study the VEDAS at an ASHRAM.

I have long noticed that words relating to "knowing" have a D (Dalet) as the only or primary consonant:

Yada (Hebrew, to know)
Daath (Hebrew, Knowledge)
Eido (Greek, to know)
Veda (Sanscrit, Knowledge)
Duh! (English idiom, indicating obvious knowledge)

But I see no foundation for the speculation that "the Indians had no idea that there was an "AND" in there, so they assumed that "V'Da'at" was the word for knowledge." I think the connection is much deeper, but not so "direct" as if they directly borrowed the word from Hebrew. And besides, there's no way to prove your speculation, so why assert it? To me, it seems that the Hebrew letters carry archetypal knowledge and so we see them organically manifesting in all languages without assuming a direct transference from one to the other.

As for ashram, I see no reason to connect that with the Hebrew name Asher. There must be more evidence than a mere coincidental sound-alike. The online etymological dictionary says it is "from a-, adnomial prefix, + sramah "effort, toll, fatigue." I don't know if they are correct, but it seems more likely since they trace the word to Sanskrit roots. Scholars have been tracing out the connections between languages for many years. They only have confidence when they find general patterns like Grimm's law of consonantal variations, like the replacement of p with f as in pater -> father.

[refugeeguru]

I changed the font to "Century Gothic." They did a much better job with the Hebrew, don't you think?

Yes, your font makes it look much better, and way more readable.

Re the cryptic comment - these videos by Rabbi David Forhrman http://www.aish.com/jl/b/eb/ge/48966101.html give the complexities of the situation of fallen man and humanity's creative capcity, a pretty good coverage. The Serpents of Desire video is only one in a series -- they are short which can make the stopping and starting every 10 - 15 mins to move onto the next video a bit of a drag, but the teaching is nice.

Yeah, teh "aish" interpretation sounds pretty fanciful to me too!

[refugeeguru]

I have long noticed that words relating to "knowing" have a D (Dalet) as the only or primary consonant:

Yada (Hebrew, to know)
Daath (Hebrew, Knowledge)
Eido (Greek, to know)
Veda (Sanscrit, Knowledge)
Duh! (English idiom, indicating obvious knowledge)

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As for ashram, I see no reason to connect that with the Hebrew name Asher. There must be more evidence than a mere coincidental sound-alike. The online etymological dictionary says it is "from a-, adnomial prefix, + sramah "effort, toll, fatigue." I don't know if they are correct, but it seems more likely since they trace the word to Sanskrit roots. Scholars have been tracing out the connections between languages for many years. They only have confidence when they find general patterns like Grimm's law of consonantal variations, like the replacement of p with f as in pater -> father.

Hi Richard,

I have been cruising round the forum in the past week -- and have been amazed at how much you do on it - er, when do you sleep??!

Anyway, getting back to the plot:

Personal opinion only,but I think one of the problems western society, including the churches, have been suffering from, is spiritual malnutrition. I suspect it hits the women harder than men -- many of the women are just run off their feet, diving kids to school, shopping, cooking etc, with never a moment for their spiritual development. Boring old church services become just one more chore to be squeezed into a ridiculously overloaded schedule.

So it has been no surprise that for the past 40 odd years, plenty of young people have gone off looking for something spiritual in "eastern religions", or gone off smoking something potent hoping it will change their consciousness etc.

For me, one of the GREAT LIES of modern western religion is that the spirituality that is in eastern religions is not in our western ones. The spirituality (for me anyway) IS there in the Bible -- and our churches have been doing their best to hide that FACT for quite a while now.

For me ALL the world's spiritual traditions emanated from the same Divine source:

• Early man was given spiritual knowledge
• That knowledge was in the books that went onto teh ark (Am not certain that the ark story is as simple as the way we normally understand it, but teh knowledge went into teh ark, and teh books were there when Noah's descendants "started again"
• Shem, Noah's son, taught much of the old knowledge, at his school in what is now Israel - where Abraham was hidden as a boy, and subsequently studied for severl decades.
• Shem had teh knowledge, but his library was somehwat reduced from what it shoud have been - the family "bust-up", after Noah "went on the turps", and Canaan castrated his abusive, alcoholic, farting grandfather, had far reaching consequences. Ham's branch of the clan stole most of the books, Adam's priestly clothes, and became expets in occult magic
• Ham's descendants supplemented their occult knowledge with regular contact with teh devil's bunch -- their knowledge became the basis of the spiritual magic practised in Babylon and Egypt. This was part of teh reason Pharoah just about fell off his throne laughing when Moses threw down teh staff, and it became a serpent - paraphrasing teh conversation slightly, Pharoah said "You have to be kidding me,Moses! You are trying to impress me with MAGIC!! This place is the MAGIC CAPITAL of the planet!"
• Abraham's knowledge spread into India via Keturah's sons. Much of Buddhist and Hindu tradition is derived from it. But India did not get all of the knowledge, nor a great understanding of how to use it. So, in recent times, as teachers such as teh Maharishi have dug into things like Pantajali's Sutras, the methods taught have been slightly experimental. Rabbis make similar comments to what I just read -- that there is plenty of sound knowledge in Indian traditions, but the safeguards and skills to use the knowledge are "light on"

Even dark side (the devil's stuff) magic is derived from what was Divine knowledge. So the lowest emanation in the Tree of Life, Kingdom (as in They will be done, the KINGDOM come etc in Jesus' prayer) is wjat turns up in so many of the ancient accounts, including the Biblical ones,of pagan child sacrifice.

So in God's terminology, KINGDOM is Malchuth. the devil perverted that and came up with a deity called MOLECH -- MOLECH is just a variation on the root word under MALCHuth or MOLCHuth.

and, at last, getting back to the evidence for the links between India and teh Bible being more than just a cute co-incidence between Asherim and Ashram, I will see if I can get away withone graphic without wiping out the speed of the page loads:

Abraham sent the sons of his wife Keturah (Hagar) away to the East. When he sent them away, he gave them "gifts". The "gifts" included spiritual knowledge and teaching, which have become part of Indian religious traditions.

Genesis 25:6 describes Abraham sending away the six sons he had with Keturah in the decades after Sarah's death. The sons were sent away to the "land of the east".
The spiritual power and high status of these descendants of Abraham led to their being named after him - Brahmans - the word Brahman appears to be a re-arrangement of the letters of the word Abraham.
There are several other similarities in terminology between Hebrew and Indian words:




One source for the similarities is Rabbi Laibl Wolf, Practical Kabbalah A Guide to Jewish Wisdom for Everyday Life (Three Rivers Press, New York, 1999), pp. 20 - 23, website www.laiblwolf.com.