O. A. C. ...____...A. C. A. C.

[Timmy]

Something about an extremely right wing solution was mentioned...do you recall?

We'll get into that soon enough; but for now we can begin here . The blue wording ending paragraph 7, is an AV giving the gist of what this first post will begin getting on about: aspects regarding the deterioration and collapse of cultured society.

Whoever will, debate all you want; but at present there is no time for that here.

Rather, no matter what anyone should post, when time permits, new parts can be added to this first post. Whenever something is added/edited, a posting after final comment(s) made since Timmy previously wrote anything (on this thread) will reveal this has been done. Each addition will be a different color. There also will be a link in these identifier/link posts taking you back again to this text.




Richard once seemed to wonder if Timmy is a conspiracy theorist. Timmy does't even lean that way, and then clarified:
There is no conspiracy. What fear mongers are FINALLY talking about is already in place: you just do not realise you are what you should fear the most. Welcome to this place where the beginning is the end only to come round and swallow it's tail again.

Dreg Hunter became irked assuming Timmy and Richard were just playing "good cop/bad cop" and stormed off.

Seeker7 put a very sensible spin on the whole issue. Dreg Hunter never took the time to really hear Seeker7, Richard, or Timmy out. He got in such a dither because of Richard's wonderful way of providing rational perspective rhetorically...and quite pointedly I might add. Delusional seems quite fitting considering the nature of content: presenting facts without factually linking one to the other in a congruent and realistic fashion. For example, whether by current method or gematria, numbers and calculations only help assist understanding of what already exists, either in force or by form. So when you hear of a conspiracy, do not even think in terms of what could happen. Speculation of this nature is based on what already happened. When you see or hear about these type things, if you waste time or attention looking back thinking you might change your future that way remember, all the while you are doing that, those who rule you keep counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums.





The actual truth about this information has never been freely or widely recieved. In retrospect, it shall be provided without really giving exact things to point your finger at: because there is not one certain individual thing. We are all to blame for the way things are, if not implicitly, by your complicity. Even so, this will not be toward socio-political debate, but toward you realising things for yourself that maybe you just never stopped to question why.

Have you built your own cage and then furnished it to survive as you do?

Have you grown accustomed to things as they are for you?



Quibbless,

Timmy bin Laden

[Charisma]

Quotable quotes:



'We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.'

David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991.




'Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA riot.] Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.'

Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991




'This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.'

David Rockefeller speaking at the UN, September 1994.




'We are not going to achieve a New World Order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money.'

Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)




'We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.'

James Paul Warburg speaking to the U.S. Senate, 17th February, 1950.

[duxrow]

Noah Webster, the Father of American Christian education, wrote the first American dictionary and established a system of rules to govern spelling, grammar, and reading. This master linguist understood the power of words, their definitions, and the need for precise word usage in communication to maintain independence. Webster used the Bible as the foundation for his definitions.

Not much of a plot, but VERY helpful. Amen?

http://1828.mshaffer.com/

[Timmy]

AMEN BOB!!!!!


At this point, it is wished that you will consider very seriously the quotes brought foreward, looking at them knowing they are directly related to you.

These are only few of many spokespersons representing this agenda.

This has been easily available and flaunted in your face for decades. This information is available to anyone who will just look for it. One need not look too far either. The new media as well as arts and enertainment are prophecying their messages laoud and clear. You do not even have to look for subliminal so see what's going on, and this is what you have submitted to.



Will you take note and give this sinister agenda significance?

Like many other peoples of various nations, most Americans still assume this dream of independent national sovereignty and freedom will continue.

Guess what?

Your political leaders have already signed it all away. This plan is already in place. Like a trap that has been baited and set, when it springs, you will not be able to easily escape.



One more "quotable quotes" for your thoughts. David Rockefeller wrote a book called “Memoirs of David Rockefeller.” This is what he says on page 405:

“Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

As you have considered the above quote, now note below what Charisma forewarded with the fluff of word fillers removed and a bit re-ordered in terms revealing:

1. These dregs of subhumanity do not care about you.
2. Their plan and purpose are toward what they will have no matter who suffers and dies, is impoverished, or deluded by their words.
3. They do not consider you worth anything more than a slave.
4. They live lives that are seperated off from what you and I go through daily
5. If you do not realise a way out now, you will no longer have a choice without considering first the consequences of non-compliance with their agenda.

The whole world will become--and already is becoming--a place where love is hate, peace is war, and joy is submission. Any freedom's you once enjoyed will be forgotten for the sake of just trying to find a way to survive.

Quotable quotes:
1950:
'We shall have World Government, whether...by conquest or consent.'"
_{~James Paul Warburg speaking to the U.S. Senate}

1991:
'...great publications... have... respected their promises...for almost forty years...for us to develop our plan for the world... [without] ...publicity during those years. But, the world is now...prepared to march towards a world government...of an intellectual elite...'
_{~David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany}

1991:
'The one thing every man fears is the unknown...with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for...well-being granted to them by the World Government.'
_{~Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France}

September, 1994:
'This present window of opportunity, during which a... world order might be built...a global transformation...we need...the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.'
_{~David Rockefeller speaking at the UN}

July/August, 1995:
'We are...going to achieve a New World Order...paying for it...in blood as well as in words and money.'
_{~Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs}

Quibbless,

TbL

[duxrow]

Duly noted, Timmy, and agree.. have seen NWO coming for decades, and would act if it would make a difference.

As it is, am saying "bring it on". We aren't yet at Rev 13, but getting close!

[Timmy]

Duly noted, Timmy, and agree.. have seen NWO coming for decades, and would act if it would make a difference.

As it is, am saying "bring it on". We aren't yet at Rev 13, but getting close!

Ya' know what Dux?

I am of the same understanding and attitude...yet still do not understand why I laughed so hard reading that. No cynicism at all, but happy to know here is yet another one who gets the picture.

On the Kymatica thread, I kept on telling Charis, what's done is done and that does not change. I still do not understand why any different remains insisted upon. Here there is no more care to even stand square (by recognized standards) because the days of fair are long since gone. One 43 degree winter day, the wind blew so hard no fire making was possible. It was on that day all those former things were all laid to rest.

G R A V I T Y





For 360 degrees and the circle's formed
then by Misraim we wield its square.
Trained ov this solemn discipline:
Down pointed is the Jason sign:
What has been done is done.
Left hand holds plumbline:
raised sword in one,
Ov many,
i am just one
who then declared,
"What is done is done."

Our lives hid are in Christ, and they have the audacity to think they might make us do or take anything from us? So, worst? case scenario, maybe they might find a chance to terminate our ability to walk earth...

...for brief a moment,
but we shall have the birds eye view,
watching it all go down.

Yeah, bring it on!



AMEN?
Timmy

[Charisma]

'The old world order changed when this war-storm broke. The old international order passed away as suddenly, as unexpectedly, and as completely as if it had been wiped out by a gigantic flood, by a great tempest, or by a volcanic eruption. The old world order died with the setting of that day's sun and a New World Order is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems almost incredible that life could come out of such fearful suffering and such overwhelming sorrow.'

Nicholas Murray Butler, to the Union League of Philadelphia, November 27, 1915




'The peace conference has assembled. It will make the most momentous decisions in history, and upon these decisions will rest the stability of the New World Order and the future peace of the world.'

M. C. Alexander, Executive Secretary of the American Association for International Conciliation, in a letter for the periodical, 'International Conciliation', 1919.




'If there are those who think we are to jump immediately into a New World Order, actuated by complete understanding and brotherly love, they are doomed to disappointment. If we are ever to approach that time, it will be after patient and persistent effort of long duration. The present international situation of mistrust and fear can only be corrected by a formula of equal status, continuously applied, to every phase of international contacts, until the cobwebs of the old order are brushed out of the minds of the people of all lands.'

Dr. Augustus O. Thomas, President of the World Federation of Education Associations, August 1927, quoted in 'International Understanding: Agencies Educating for a New World', 1931.




'... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the New World Order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.'

H. G. Wells, in his book, 'The New World Order', 1939.

[L67]

Duly noted, Timmy, and agree.. have seen NWO coming for decades, and would act if it would make a difference.

As it is, am saying "bring it on". We aren't yet at Rev 13, but getting close!

The NWO is a conspiracy theory and like all conspiracy theories they are not based on facts. There is no evidence you could present that would prove such a conspiracy to be true.

Revelation 13 is not going to happen because it already did. You are clinging to a false futurist doctrine of the Bible. Your view completely ignores all the overwhelming evidence that spoke of those times. The language is especially damning to your case because it describes the events as "imminent". Not to mention John even tells you who the Book of Revelation was written for. Rev. 1:4-6. The first century audience. There is no future event told in Revelation that would take thousands of years to happen.

Revelation 13:18 even tells you that those who have "insight" can calculate the number of the beast and who this man is. Neron Kesar (Nero)in old Hebrew spells 666. http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/chart...east%20666.htm

Revelation 13 is not the mythical being that is "Satan". It's just a mortal human named Nero emperor of Rome.

[Charisma]

Okay, L67, I'll own up to capitalising some words, but they were already in the text. I didn't add them to it.

Another phrase which alludes to the same scheme of ideals is, 'The Rule of Law'. Listen out for it. It's in the mix. The NWO mix, that is.

[L67]

Okay, L67, I'll own up to capitalising some words, but they were already in the text. I didn't add them to it.

Another phrase which alludes to the same scheme of ideals is, 'The Rule of Law'. Listen out for it. It's in the mix. The NWO mix, that is.

That's fine Charisma. But that still doesn't lend credibility to the NWO claims. The NWO gets traction from the religious crowd because of it's "end times" implications. Unfortunately for you there is no evidence for the NWO. The futurist doctrine you cling to for believing the NWO is also false.. It was made up by man. There is no evidence to suggest any such event that is going to take place. There is overwhelming evidence such "end times" already occurred.