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    Gematria and its Usefulness

    RAM asked me in another thread what I thought the usefulness of Gematria was, so I've decided to start a thread here to discuss it.

    I want to preface what I'm about to write with two things. The first is that I'm a Kabbalist, but not of any religious denomination. I consider myself to be of the religion of Man, I accept all faiths as the Word of God and the sages of all religions as Holy Men.

    I also understand that this is a primarily Christian forum, and am not here to impose my ideas on anyone.

    Gematria dates back to the Tannaic period, which is between 0-200CE. Knowing the pattern of Jewish tradition, we can assume that it was merely first recorded then (as it was, in the Mishnas), but practiced before that and passed long by word of mouth.

    Gematria is primarily concerned with revealing the hidden connections between ideas. These ideas have taken many shapes over the centuries. To give a brief overview its based mostly on what we know of today as Kabbalah. Prior to Kabbalah, the sages engaged in practices known as Merkavah, and the oldest known Jewish mystical text is the Sepher Yetzirah, which is said to have been authored by Abraham himself.

    The common thread between all of these, and the many forms they have all taken, is that of letter manipulation and permutations. Gematria is only one of many ways the letters are manipulated to reveal hidden meanings. It is believed that either the sages who authored the Torah, or God himself, probably both, encoded these meanings into the text to be revealed to those who diligently study the Torah.

    The ideas outlined in Kabbalah are primarily understood as applicable to the forces denoted on the Tree of Life. These forces describe our internal world, our external world, and the divine world simultaneously. Though the Tree of Life itself was a later development, the ideas pertaining to it have been around since the time of the Sepher Yetzirah (such as the ideas of the forces of the Crown, Wisdom, Understanding, Mercy, Judgment, Kingdom, et cetera...)

    So to answer RAM's question, I believe that the usefulness of Gematria is best understood in a Kabbalistic context. Otherwise he is entirely right to say that much of the time the connections it reveal seem meaningless.

    To reference that thread: http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?p=27277

    We were discussing AMTh. The Gematria I did on this revealed a connection to Adam. This appears to be meaningless, except that in Kabbalah ADM is attributed to Keter, and the archetype known as Arich Anpin.

    Arich Anpin is said to span all the worlds, and AMTh spans all the letters of the Hebrew alefbet. We could continue to make connections from here, but that in itself shows that there is an integrated idea between ADM and the Alefbet.

    Also, God gives ADM the language of God in the Garden, which he uses to name all the creatures and things in the Garden. Again, this is significant, tradition states this language was Hebrew, or one that was extremely close to the Hebrew we have today.

    Of course, what practical application does this have for anyone? It merely expounds upon what we already know, right? Not really, what it points to is that in order to reach our original state, one way to do that would be through the use and meditation upon the letters themselves, thereby perfecting and purifying the spiritual forces within us and achieving our "inner Adam" through the work of correction. This was at least the belief of the Jewish mystics, and is the belief of Kabbalists today.

    What relevance this has to a Christian interpretation of the bible I cannot say. Though there is a Christian Kabbalah, usually spelled with a C, and I personally believe all forms of Kabbalah have merit and are worth study and consideration.

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    Very interesting topic! I am glad you brought it up. I have been planning on discussing the Kabbalah since it played a central role in my conversion to Christianity.

    I think it is a wonderful sentiment to "accept all faiths as the Word of God and the sages of all religions as Holy Men." Indeed, there was a time when I held that belief myself, but now I'm not sure that it is a logical possibility. It certainly would require a hermeneutic effort of herculean proportions to invent "explanations" for all the contradictory data. It seems much more likely that all religions contain fragments of the truth and that none of them, or at best only one of them, could be called the "Word of God" in the fullest sense. This approach seemed very promising to me in the past because I recognized that every religion contained elements of truth but believed that the Bible was the only true "Word of God." But now everything is "on the table." I am reevaluating all my beliefs. I have found it impossible to maintain belief in an anthropomorphic "Zeus-style" God which is supposed to be an agent (like a person) but who is most famous for failing to interact with his creation in an intelligible fashion.

    As for the Sepher Yetzirah, it played an important role in my discovery of the Bible Wheel (link). It contains the famous description of the 22 Letters in a circle (galgal/wheel) in section 2:2 -
    Twenty-two Foundation letters: He engraved them, He carved them, He permuted them, He weighed them, He transformed them, and with them He depicted all that was formed and all that would be formed.

    Twenty-two Foundation letters: He placed them in a circle like a wall with 231 gates. The Circle oscillates back and forth. A sign for this is: There is nothing in good higher than Delight; There is nothing in evil lower than Plague.
    I was studying the symbolic meaning of the letters and was inspired to put them in a circle and to fill in the spokes corresponding to each letter with the associated concepts. E.g. I put the Ten Commandments in the first ten spokes, and the Seven Days in the first seven spokes, and so forth. Then I noticed that the books could also be aligned with the spokes, and with three cycles, we have the Bible Wheel. And I thought it was pretty cool that galgal = 66 = the number of books in the Wheel.



    Now getting back to gematria, you had asked what significance it might have. The Kabbalistic answer, which I don't believe you mentioned, would be that this reveals the way to redeem the fallen sparks trapped in matter (the qliphoth). In other words, the Kabbalah is supposed to be a gnostic path back to God. And this might be true ... I look forward to discussing it more.

    All the very best,

    Richard

    PS: Let me say again how happy I am that I have someone knowledgeable in the Kabbalah to talk to!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    I think it is a wonderful sentiment to "accept all faiths as the Word of God and the sages of all religions as Holy Men." Indeed, there was a time when I held that belief myself, but now I'm not sure that it is a logical possibility. It certainly would require a hermeneutic effort of herculean proportions to invent "explanations" for all the contradictory data. It seems much more likely that all religions contain fragments of the truth and that none of them, or at best only one of them, could be called the "Word of God" in the fullest sense.
    I agree, this is the sense in which I meant it. I see them all as fragments, but still fragments of Gods Word, like light refracting through a prism. Together they paint a more whole picture of the Truth than any one taken in itself at the exclusion of all others.

    As for Holy Men, I mean that a Boddhisattva is a Tzaddik, I mean that people who have achieved spiritual states have achieved those states regardless of how they got there, its written on and in them. At a certain point how a person arrives there is moot because as its often said, all roads lead to Rome.

    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    This approach seemed very promising to me in the past because I recognized that every religion contained elements of truth but believed that the Bible was the only true "Word of God." But now everything is "on the table." I am reevaluating all my beliefs. I have found it impossible to maintain belief in an anthropomorphic "Zeus-style" God which is supposed to be an agent (like a person) but who is most famous for failing to interact with his creation in an intelligible fashion.
    Kabbalah reconciles most of this. The premise is that while that which is above Keter is perfect, from Keter down the Creation is "flawed" insofar as it is in a world of duality and not absolute unity (The Infinite Light). Thus YHVH appears to have a split personality, but these are the Chesedic and Gevuric sides of God interacting with each other and with man.

    The problem is in assuming that the God of the bible is Ain Soph Aur (Atika Qadisha, the Ancient Holy One), this is not the case. While that certainly emanated everything, its ALHYM, attributed to the Left/Restrictive side of God who creates, and YHVH, the Right/Expansive side of God who does most of the talking. We encounter AHYH with Moses in the burning bush, attributed to Keter, but mostly its YHVH.

    The world of Atzilut is of course considered to be spiritually perfect since it has no Kelipot, but it is still not ONE. The Kelipot appear in Briah downwards.

    Furthermore YHVH is a fourfold name to remind us of this. There are 10 Sefirot, 22 paths, four worlds, five parts of the soul- it all speaks of division and disunity.

    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    As for the Sepher Yetzirah, it played an important role in my discovery of the Bible Wheel (link). It contains the famous description of the 22 Letters in a circle (galgal/wheel) in section 2:2 -[INDENT]Twenty-two Foundation letters: He engraved them, He carved them, He permuted them, He weighed them, He transformed them, and with them He depicted all that was formed and all that would be formed.
    I think the Bible Wheel is a fascinating discovery. I have not ventured out far beyond the Old Testament myself, partially because I don't know Greek really at all and my focus has been on Hebrew Gematria, but I've played with the Greek a little.

    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    Now getting back to gematria, you had asked what significance it might have. The Kabbalistic answer, which I don't believe you mentioned, would be that this reveals the way to redeem the fallen sparks trapped in matter (the qliphoth). In other words, the Kabbalah is supposed to be a gnostic path back to God. And this might be true ... I look forward to discussing it more.
    Ya I just said it in a different way:

    "thereby perfecting and purifying the spiritual forces within us and achieving our "inner Adam" through the work of correction."

    The Work of Correction is the Zoharic term for Tikkun, of which there are three forms:

    Restoration of the Soul (Tikkun haNefesh)
    Restoration of the World (Tikkun haOlam)
    Restoration of God (Tikkun haPanim)

    In the east they perform practices which are almost identical to that of the Sefer Yetzirah. They have mandalas with huge arrays of letters and letter combination's which they chant and visualize to reach higher states of consciousness.

    Glad to find that Kabbalah is actually a desired focus of conversation, I was concerned that it might be entirely or mostly off topic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gematria View Post
    Ya I just said it in a different way:

    "thereby perfecting and purifying the spiritual forces within us and achieving our "inner Adam" through the work of correction."

    The Work of Correction is the Zoharic term for Tikkun, of which there are three forms:

    Restoration of the Soul (Tikkun haNefesh)
    Restoration of the World (Tikkun haOlam)
    Restoration of God (Tikkun haPanim)
    Well that's pretty obvious now that you mention it!

    I love the concept of "Tikkun." It could correspond to the New Testament concept of the "restoration of all things."

    The "restoration of the soul" is effected by faith in Christianity, which results in good works.

    The "restoration of the world" is seen by most Christians as a future event, but it can also be understood as a perpetual ongoing process.

    Of course, the NT doesn't have a "restoration of God" concept. But since it is Tikkun Panim it makes me think its really the restoration of the "image of God."

    A map of similar concepts between Kabbalah and the Bible would be interesting. I'm particularly curious how the NT links, since the Kabbalah was developed from the Hebrew Tanakh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gematria View Post
    In the east they perform practices which are almost identical to that of the Sefer Yetzirah. They have mandalas with huge arrays of letters and letter combination's which they chant and visualize to reach higher states of consciousness.
    I've never seen those mandalas. Can you post a pic? That would be very interesting. I usually get the impression it is important for the student to form the images in the mind. "Place the letters in a circle like a wall with 231 gate" is taken as directions for what the student should visualize.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gematria View Post
    Glad to find that Kabbalah is actually a desired focus of conversation, I was concerned that it might be entirely or mostly off topic!
    There are varieties of Kabbalah I would not be interested in discussing, such as that popularized by the OTO. But the serious tradition transmitted by the Jews is certainly a topic of great interest.

    All the best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    I've never seen those mandalas. Can you post a pic? That would be very interesting. I usually get the impression it is important for the student to form the images in the mind. "Place the letters in a circle like a wall with 231 gate" is taken as directions for what the student should visualize.
    The pics are hard to find online. Heres one of them though, from Google images:

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1366&bih=575

    The smaller images people usually think of as the "pictures" of the Chakras are miniature representations which leave out all the details. Each Chakra has a set of letters ascribed to it which represent the forces of that level of spiritual reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    There are varieties of Kabbalah I would not be interested in discussing, such as that popularized by the OTO. But the serious tradition transmitted by the Jews is certainly a topic of great interest.
    Ya, the OTO is messed up. Even the Golden Dawn hardly understands Kabbalah. As a whole, Hermetic Kabbalah is lacking in many ways. Hermeticism simply doesn't teach anyone anything about spiritual laws, only about spiritual power, which is why so many who practice it have gone astray. This is compounded by the fact that the Hermetic ideal has deteriorated over time, and Hermetics are no longer scholars and learned people who pray, have awe towards and belief in God. Instead they are often desperate, depressed, confused, unlearned and completely lacking discipline. More often than not it reflects a mental ward more than a group of people dedicated to spiritual advancement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gematria View Post
    The pics are hard to find online. Heres one of them though, from Google images:

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1366&bih=575

    The smaller images people usually think of as the "pictures" of the Chakras are miniature representations which leave out all the details. Each Chakra has a set of letters ascribed to it which represent the forces of that level of spiritual reality.
    The pic was in Hindi. I thought you were talking about meditation on the Hebrew letters. Did I miss something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gematria View Post
    Ya, the OTO is messed up. Even the Golden Dawn hardly understands Kabbalah. As a whole, Hermetic Kabbalah is lacking in many ways. Hermeticism simply doesn't teach anyone anything about spiritual laws, only about spiritual power, which is why so many who practice it have gone astray. This is compounded by the fact that the Hermetic ideal has deteriorated over time, and Hermetics are no longer scholars and learned people who pray, have awe towards and belief in God. Instead they are often desperate, depressed, confused, unlearned and completely lacking discipline. More often than not it reflects a mental ward more than a group of people dedicated to spiritual advancement.
    Excellent description of the problems with the OTO. I'm glad we are in agreement on this.
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    Do people believe in Gematria?

    I hope I'm not hijacking this thread - for some reason I am unable to start my own thread, but this one seems relevant.

    I'd really like to know how much faith people have in gematria. I know very little about it, but, I did put my name, Michael David Neuman, into the online calculator at gematrix.org. The results were 1110 for "Jewish" Gematria, and 954 for English. At the risk of seeming vain, here is a list of other phrases with the same numbers, in either version of gematria:

    Jesus incarnate (954 in English)
    Jesusís twin (954 in English);
    Jesus H. Christ (954 English);
    The King of the Jews (1110 in English)
    Jesus, God Incarnate (1110 in English)
    Christ, the Lord God (1110 in English)
    Holy Spirit on Earth (1110 Jewish)
    Lord and King of Heaven (1110 in English)
    The Lord, Our Lord (1110 English)
    God, the Creator of All (1110 in English)
    Christ, the Lord (954 in English)
    Christ, the Lamb of God (1110 in English)
    Messiah Named Jesus (1110 in English)
    Messiah of the Jews (1110 in English)
    The Messiah from God (1110 in English)
    Godís Only Messiah (1110 in English)
    Jesusís partner (1110 in English)
    Loved by Jesus (954 English)
    In Jesus Name (1110 Jewish)
    Michael is creator (954 English)
    Michael knows God (954 in English)
    God knows Michael (954 in English)
    Son of David (954 Jewish)
    A Nazarene Carpenter (1110 in English)
    The Bethlehem Messiah (1110 in English)
    A Shepherd of the Flock (1110 in English)
    Bearer of Our Sins (1110 in English)
    A Redeemer of the Jews (1110 in English)
    He is your prince (1110 in English)
    Scapegoat of Judaism (1110 in English)
    The Sacrificed Lamb of God (1110 in English)
    The Eternal Christ (1110 in English)
    An Omniscient Lord (1110 in English)
    Resurrected Lord (1110 in English)
    New Covenant Lord (1110 in English)
    New Testament God (1110 in English)
    Church of Christ (954 in English)
    The King on Calvary (1110 in English)
    King of Leiscerbette (1110 in English)
    King of Rock and Roll (1110 English)
    Most High Holy God (1110 in English)
    Saved By Jesusí name (English 1110 )
    Godís sublime name (954 in English)
    Great counselor (1110 English)
    Without A Blemish (1110 English)
    Perfect Divinity (1110 English)
    Unconditional Grace (1110 English)
    He whom is glorified (1110 English)
    Omnipresent Being (1110 in English)
    Name in Jesus (1110 English)
    Yahshua Is the Key (1110 English)
    Yahshua Is the King (1110 English)
    Godís Messiah Saves (1110 English)
    God of Abraham Saves Man (1110 English)
    Christ Is Our God (1110 English)
    Unchanging Truth (1110 in English)
    Truth of the Faith (1110 in English)
    The Truth, the Life (1110 in English)
    Full of truth (954 in English)
    True Messiah of God (1110 in English)
    Love Thy Neighbor (1110 in English)
    Our Lord Is Love (1110 in English)
    The Love of Christ (1110 in English)
    Our Fatherís Love (1110 in English)
    Father of Prophecy (1110 in English)
    Father of the Living (1110 in English)
    Saints of the Lord (1110 English)
    The Way of the Lord (1110 English)
    Symmetry of God (1110 in English)
    The Triumph of God (1110 in English)
    Anointed of the Lord (1110 in English)
    Union with god (954 in English)
    One Jesus Christ (1110 in English)
    Son of the One Lord (1110 in English)
    One God, the One Father (1110 in English)
    Victorious One (1110 in English)
    Temple of the One God (1110 in English )
    One Holy Spirit (1110 in English )
    Holy Mystery (1110 English)
    Holiness of the Bible (1110 English)
    Holy bride of the millennium (1110 in Jewish )
    Holy Spirit on earth (1110 in Jewish )
    Foretold By the Bible (1110 in English)
    A Trust in the Bible (1110 in English)
    Holy Book of the Lamb (1110 in English)
    Gospel of Matthew (1110 in English)
    Book of Revelation (1110 in English)
    The Gospel of Mary (1110 in English)
    The Words of God (954 in English)
    New Testament (954 in English)
    Godís Testimony (1110 in English)
    Holy Letters (954 in English)
    King of the Holy Bible (1110 in English)
    Come Lord Jesus (954 English)
    Sister of Jesus (English 1110)
    Loved by Jesus (English 954)
    The City of Jesus (English 1110 )
    The Meaning Of Easter (1110 English)
    Michael Neuman is the Easter Rose (1110 Jewish)
    The Healing of the Sick (1110 English)
    A Salvation by Faith (1110 English)
    Saved By the Gospel (1110 English)
    Saved By The Cross (1110 English)
    The Cross of Wood (1110 English)
    Jesus on Calvary (1110 English)
    Cross On Calvary (1110 English)
    His Death on Calvary (1110 English)
    Rider is called faithful and true (1110 Jewish)
    The Crucified Jesus (1110 English)
    The Messiah Crucified (1110 English)
    Slaying Of Christ (1110 English)
    King Jesus Rejected (1110 English)
    A Lamb Sacrificed For Us (1110 English)
    A Sacrifice for All Time (1110 English)
    An Innocent Victim (1110 English)
    Rejected By His Own (1110 English)
    Hung for Our Sin (1110 English)
    The Ultimate Price (1110 English)
    Price of Salvation (1110 English)
    He Was Hung For Us (1110 English)
    He Died On Behalf Of Mankind (1110 English)
    An Eternal Gift of Life (1110 English)
    Repent and Be Born Again (1110 English)
    A Calling to Penitence (1110 English)
    Repent Of Sinning (1110 English)
    Have Faith in the Lord (1110 English)
    Love Thy Neighbor (1110 in English)
    An Act of Restoring (1110 English)
    A Remission of Sin (1110 English)
    Freedom from all sin (1110 English)
    Manís sin forgiven (1110 English)
    Forgiveness of all (1110 English)
    Set free from Satan (1110 English)
    Satan and Hell Are Defeated (1110 English)
    Hell Is Vanquished (1110 English)
    Lord resurrected (1110 English)
    The remnant lives (1110 English)
    Miracles Do Happen (954 English)

    I get similar results for the street I grew up on, and still live on, Forest Avenue, which comes out to 1282 in 'Jewish' Gematria, and 906 in English Gematria, according to www.gematrix.org.
    Other phrases equaling 906 or 1282:
    Jesus Christ (906 English)
    Mighty Jehovah (906 English)
    Jesus is back again (906 English)
    Son of the Lord (906 English)
    Friend of Jesus (906 English)
    Holy Spirit (906 English)
    Jesus and Father (906 English)
    A heavenly father (906 English)
    Jesus is Lord (906 English)
    the Lord Jehovah; (906 English)
    Lord of Hosts. (906 English)
    Lordís prayer (906 English)
    Supreme Love (906 English)
    Love is the Law (906 English)
    Jesus, son of God (1282 Jewish)
    Christís rapture(906 Jewish)
    Michaelís matrimony (906 Jewish)
    a marriage of almighty God (906 Jewish)
    makes a planet beautiful. (906 Jewish)
    is death for the antichrist. (906 Jewish)
    God, give me guidance (906 English)
    pay attention, (906 Jewish)
    let freedom ring, (906 English)
    and measure the temple of God. (906 English)
    The Queen of Sheba (906 English)
    the beautiful goddess, (906 Jewish)
    gifted and talented (906 English)
    angel of darkness. (906 English)
    Prophetic King (906 English)
    Prophecy heals (906 English)
    Healing Promise (906 English)
    Vicar of Christ (906 Jewish)
    Jesus glory (906 English)
    Redeemer from god (906 English)
    Man bearing water (906 English)
    A better education in codes (906 Jewish)
    Godís Name Number (906) English)
    Is this for real? (906 English)
    Believe in Neuman (906 English)
    Follow Neuman (906 English)
    Jesus is alive (906 English)

    Now look, I'm not saying I'm Jesus. I'm very clearly Jesus's twin sister fiancť- incarnate. Jesus is the street I live on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I hope I'm not hijacking this thread - for some reason I am unable to start my own thread, but this one seems relevant.

    I'd really like to know how much faith people have in gematria. I know very little about it, but, I did put my name, Michael David Neuman, into the online calculator at gematrix.org. The results were 1110 for "Jewish" Gematria, and 954 for English. At the risk of seeming vain, here is a list of other phrases with the same numbers, in either version of gematria:

    Jesus incarnate (954 in English)
    Jesusís twin (954 in English);
    Jesus H. Christ (954 English);
    The King of the Jews (1110 in English)
    Jesus, God Incarnate (1110 in English)
    Christ, the Lord God (1110 in English)
    Holy Spirit on Earth (1110 Jewish)
    Lord and King of Heaven (1110 in English)

    ...

    Now look, I'm not saying I'm Jesus. I'm very clearly Jesus's twin sister fiancť- incarnate. Jesus is the street I live on.
    Hey Mike,

    I think you may have spent a little too much time on that site.

    I can't tell if you are just putting a lot of effort in to make you joke better, or what, but I can't imagine anyone taking your list of words and numbers seriously. Any arbitrary assignation of letters and numbers will result in long lists of "hits" like yours. So how do you discern between chance and design? How do you discern which is meaningful and which is not?

    All the best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    Hey Mike,

    I think you may have spent a little too much time on that site.

    I can't tell if you are just putting a lot of effort in to make you joke better, or what, but I can't imagine anyone taking your list of words and numbers seriously. Any arbitrary assignation of letters and numbers will result in long lists of "hits" like yours. So how do you discern between chance and design? How do you discern which is meaningful and which is not?

    All the best,

    Richard
    Almost all of those had been complied by other people, not me.

    http://landmarkbiblebaptist.net/English-Gematria.html
    http://www.freewebs.com/calvarycode/...monyof1110.htm
    http://real-world-news.org/numerics/...-gematria.html
    http://www.masoncode.com/The%20Great%20Seal.htm

    Apparently they take it seriously. Maybe they shouldn't. But it seems like quite a coincidence, if it is a coincidence.

    You said "Any arbitrary assignation of letters and numbers will result in long lists of "hits" like yours." This is not true. Even if you found a random combination of letters that came to 1110 in one form of gematria, it's not going to also come out to 954 in another. Check it out: http://www.gematrix.org/?word=1110

    I'll be honest; the gematria stuff wouldn't mean anything to me if it wasn't for everything else going on in my life. For instance, please check out this video I made: http://youtu.be/bdz74NXRjhM It's got nothing to do with me, or with gematria, it's about Elijah. Feel free to ignore it - everyone else has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Almost all of those had been complied by other people, not me.

    http://landmarkbiblebaptist.net/English-Gematria.html
    http://www.freewebs.com/calvarycode/...monyof1110.htm
    http://real-world-news.org/numerics/...-gematria.html
    http://www.masoncode.com/The%20Great%20Seal.htm

    Apparently they take it seriously. Maybe they shouldn't. But it seems like quite a coincidence, if it is a coincidence.

    You said "Any arbitrary assignation of letters and numbers will result in long lists of "hits" like yours." This is not true. Even if you found a random combination of letters that came to 1110 in one form of gematria, it's not going to also come out to 954 in another. Check it out: http://www.gematrix.org/?word=1110

    I'll be honest; the gematria stuff wouldn't mean anything to me if it wasn't for everything else going on in my life. For instance, please check out this video I made: http://youtu.be/bdz74NXRjhM It's got nothing to do with me, or with gematria, it's about Elijah. Feel free to ignore it - everyone else has.
    The operative word is "seems." When I said that any arbitrary assignation would result in a long list of hits, I didn't mean that the specific words in the list would be the identical to the words generated by some other assignation. That would be impossible. So my comment stands - any arbitrary assignation will result in many "hits" that seem "too good to be coincidental" and many other "hits" that are utterly meaningless. Therefore, mere lists of words with equivalent values is insufficient to discern between chance and design.

    But if you know anything about my website, then you know that I have studied Hebrew and Greek gematria in some depth. I would never have published anything on this topic if all I had were list of words with equivalent values. But I made an additional discovery that establishes the validity of Hebrew and Greek gematria in the Bible. There are verses that are built on nested multiples of prime numbers that link to the central message of the verse. I call these passages Biblical Holographs. They are coherently structured on Figurate Numbers - mostly Triangular numbers and centered Hexagon/Star pairs like 37/73 which are the basis of the Creation Holograph (Genesis 1:1). See the Gallery of Biblical Holographs for many more.

    As for your video question about "one Ilija Krajan" - that is curious, but I'm pretty sure it is meaningless. Some of the pages that Google returned don't actually contain that phrase. For example, the third hit is just an advertising page for a Canadian pharmacy, and when I clicked on it, I found advertisements but no "one Ilija Krajan." This suggests that some programmers have figured out how to use Google to display their page if the user puts random search terms. If the search term is legit, then it would return lots of pages and you wouldn't see these random pages because they would be ranked low. But if the search term is very unusual, then you will see the low ranked pages because the list is so short.

    This is a good example of the path to truth - REASON, LOGIC, KNOWLEDGE. Forget far-out coincidences that "seem" significant. Go for the gold! Go for the TRUTH!
    • Skepticism is the antiseptic of the mind.
    • Remember why we debate. We have nothing to lose but the errors we hold. Who but a stubborn fool would hold to errors once they have been exposed?

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