Think not that I have come to destroy the Law

[Gil]

Quote Less> [ " Fulfillment of the 'Law and The Prophets' were done by the Testor(s) dying.... The testors dying did not 'start' the NC, it started the process of ending the OC. The Husband killed by His wife on The Cross (murder). This kicked in the fulfilling terms of the Marriage Contract. The Terms of Blessings and Curses (settling up the estate debits and credits with 'payment). the Blessings (for the Election) of a 'Promised Coming' of the NC Marriage and the world that came with it. The Curses that were spelled out in the OC contract to their utmost. One of those terms was the killing of the Harlot wife (because she was the daughter of a Priest and a murderer).]

Gil > Your absolutely right Less.
The 'Testor' however was not Jesus Christ nor his Father. Without having to go through the entire Sinai account, when the Law was given by an Angel to Moses. Paul indentifies with this in his telling of how Hagar and Ishmael were related to the Law and the Mount Sinai story. He then states that it was not an Angel but Christ Jesus himself who gave him the true Gospel of Mercy through Faith alone.
The subject being, who then was the Giver and who would be the Testor of the Old Covenant of Death which was of the Law.
Angels as you know are messengers.
You must decide who this Angel was who gave the Law.
Remember that it was written on the second set of tablets ,after the first set was broken.

As to fulfillment of every jot and tittle, it was to be so until the Law was fulfilled.
The fulfillment of the Law is death.

As to breaking the Law through the works of man, Jesus even said that if you even think the thought and do not act upon it ,it is as if you had already committed the act.
He didn't cut them much slack. He moved it into the mental realm of the Psyche.

It was Jesus in the flesh who would bring an end to the Old covenant at the cross.
Jesus in the flesh had the Spirit of the Father dwelling within him, up and till the last moments before he would die in the flesh.
Satan did enter him in the wilderness to tempt him but then departed.
Leaving out terms of divinity be they Good or Evil Spirits, Jesus took on the Spirit of Man in the Flesh through which he could be made corrupt with the sins and evil which Paul said was within the Flesh. ( I think he meant the Conscious Mind though, but it is all within Paul's Christology. )
How the cross impacted all flesh that was pre cross and post AD70 is detailed in Pauline language.
The relatedness of Marriage of individuals and Wholes in regard to male/female and Spirit/Soul was made more clear through Paul's Greek conceptual thinking than the Hebrew concepts of the body ,as individuals or Wholes.
Jesus in the totality of the flesh was the Testor by proxy but Jesus Christ would be the first flesh man to be raised from the dead. It is Jesus Christ who was the first of many that be of the Spirit of Life .
The fulfillment of Grace and Truth through Faith is Life.

Gil

[Brother Les]

Gil > Your absolutely right Less.

I have a problem with the way you spell my name....

Gil
As to fulfillment of every jot and tittle, it was to be so until the Law was fulfilled.
The fulfillment of the Law is death.

The Mosaic Covenant was a Marriage Contract.

The Death to the Testor (Jeus Christ/the Messenger/the Word), the one who made the Contract did not 'Fulfill' the Contract by dying to it. There was another party to The Contract. What made the 'Fulfilling' of the (Mosaic) Marriage Contract was WHEN The Terms of the Contract were carried out. The Husband (Jesus Christ) carried out the contract ending of the terms when Judgement Came about. Part of the Judgments proclaimed by the 'Law and Prophets' were the Judgment Death of the Harlot Wife. Did the wife Die at the time of The Cross? No She did not, but we all know when she died for her Harlotry.... When the Mosaic Marriage Contracts Judgment Came....unpon the Nation and the People and The Temple, ie. the Whole Mosaic World was destroyed.

It was Jesus in the flesh who would bring an end to the Old covenant at the cross.

It is Jesus at His Coming in The Glory of The Father that would bring an End to the Old Covenant at The Holocaust.

[Rose]

The First or Old Testament began with the shedding of blood, and ended with the destruction of the Temple in AD 70.

Heb.9:18-21 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

The Second or New Testament began with the shedding of blood which was the death of the Testator, and has no end.

Heb.9:14-16 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Blessings,
Rose

[Brother Les]

The Second or New Testament began with the shedding of blood which was the death of the Testator, and has no end.


Heb.9:14-16 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Blessings,
Rose
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Rose, I think over time, many have come to read this verse in a way that is out of order. 'We assume' that the Death of Christ was for the New Testament. But read it....And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 'where a testament is, there must also of necessisty be the death of the testator".

'We know that the Testator is Jesus Christ. But He died at the Hands of His Harloty Wife. He (in the flesh) was born and He died under the Old Mosaic covenant Marraige contract. Under The Law, when the Husaband is dead then the Wife is free to marry another. This 'being free to marry another', opens up the way for (the Elect) to be 'Betrothed' and then 'marry' another. What came about when Jesus Christ Died on the Cross as The Testator of the Mosaic Covenant marriage Contract, was that the full Terms of the contract came into Full Force. ie. The Wife had to go through 'probate Court'/Muder Court to get her do, 'Judgments' from being married to the man (Jesus/YHWH) that she killed. The 'Terms' of the OLD Marriage Contract made by Jesus/YHWH (as Testator) when it came to its' fullness' (when He died) were of a New Creation of Blessings and Cures through a New Covenant Marriage economy.

[Gil]

Howdy Les,

Quote Les: [Rose, I think over time, many have come to read this verse in a way that is out of order. 'We assume' that the Death of Christ was for the New Testament. But read it....And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 'where a testament is, there must also of necessisty be the death of the testator".

'We know that the Testator is Jesus Christ. But He died at the Hands of His Harloty Wife. He (in the flesh) was born and He died under the Old Mosaic covenant Marraige contract. Under The Law, when the Husaband is dead then the Wife is free to marry another. This 'being free to marry another', opens up the way for (the Elect) to be 'Betrothed' and then 'marry' another. What came about when Jesus Christ Died on the Cross as The Testator of the Mosaic Covenant marriage Contract, was that the full Terms of the contract came into Full Force. ie. The Wife had to go through 'probate Court'/Muder Court to get her do, 'Judgments' from being married to the man (Jesus/YHWH) that she killed. The 'Terms' of the OLD Marriage Contract made by Jesus/YHWH (as Testator) when it came to its' fullness' (when He died) were of a New Creation of Blessings and Cures through a New Covenant Marriage economy.
Brother Les
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Gil > Closer, but it is not the way that they looked at spirits, souls, and bodies.
Jesus the flesh man and Jesus Christ resurrected both had the same Spirit within him.
It was the Soul of mother Israel as a whole who died at the cross through Jesus in the flesh as well as the Spirit of Man that she was in wedlock with.
Both the Husband and the Wife had died.
Jesus Christ would take on a virgin bride to wife.
In other words, ADAM (both man and woman as Adam and Eve) were
to be replaced in the New Covenant that was sealed not by blood but with the fire of the Shekinah Glory of the Father.
It is why Paul calls Jesus Christ the New Adam. He would seek a new virgin bride to replace Eve that they be one in marriage through the new covenant.
You end up with a new ADAM, both male and female as it was in the beginning before the fall.

Where you coming up with the Jesus/YHWH connection?
The only way that it would work is if you say that YHWH and Jehovah are one of the same while Jesus was in the Flesh.
I don't think YHWH/Yahwah is the Holy Spirit and the Father and giver of life to his Son Jesus Christ.

The Harlot didn't die at the destruction of the walled city Jerusalem and her Temple but at the cross.
The New Creation was the New Man ADAM. It was a work of his Father.
The Hebrews seen their Walled city and the Temple as their own Heaven and Earth upon the Land. One built by hands. It was the dwelling place of the Spirit of Man.
Her people were the soul ,heart that were within her walls.
At the destruction in AD70, the new heaven and earth was revealed and it was to be in a Spiritual/mental environment not built with hands.
It is a new Mind and conscience of man in the Spirit.
The new dwelling place of God the Father and his only begotten Son that is now within his bosom as the same seed of promise.


Gil
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[Brother Les]

Gil
Where you coming up with the Jesus/YHWH connection?

Both the Husband and the Wife had died.

Was Jesus the maker of the Mosaic Covenant Marriage Contract or was it YHWH? Jesus could not Die for a Contract that He did not make. He/? was the Testator of the OC Marriage contract and could be the only one to die For that contract

The Harlot didn't die at the destruction of the walled city Jerusalem and her Temple but at the cross.

In Revelation the Harlot declared," I am no widow". Meaning that she thought that Her Husband (YHWH or was that Jesus or Both... must be 'both')was still alive. The Husband died on The Cross, she died 40years later at the Holocaust.

It was the Soul of mother Israel as a whole who died at the cross through Jesus in the flesh as well as the Spirit of Man that she was in wedlock with

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The 'evil' 'soul' of the Temple Cutlus Israel was still alive and well as long as the Temple stood. The Election were told to "come out of Her".

It is why Paul calls Jesus Christ the New Adam. He would seek a new virgin bride to replace Eve that they be one in marriage through the new covenant.

Christ was the "Last Adam". The New Covenant Creation Betrothal to Christs Church/Body/Election/Asmbly happened at Pentecost (not The Cross). The Marriage Happend 40 years later after the Betrothal period.

The New Creation was the New Man ADAM

Glad you see that the 'New Creation' happened in the First Century, but the 'New Creation' was always said to be 'Heaven and Earth'.

The Hebrews seen their Walled city and the Temple as their own Heaven and Earth upon the Land.

Don't forget to add The People.... ie. The People, The Place, all the 'Elements' of the old Covenant Creation were their 'Heaven and Earth'.

At the destruction in AD70, the new heaven and earth was revealed and it was to be in a Spiritual/mental environment not built with hands.

Interesting that the Prophets said that those of the New Creation would build houses and have children.... Immaculate Conception would you say?
Why are you so confused on this?

[Gil]

Howdy Les,

Quote: Les > [ Why are you so confused on this? ]

Gil > I'm really not
Will re-read what you said and try to put down my thoughts
that relate to this in a more concise way.
Had to go to the dictionary to look up some of the legal terms.
It is apparent though that we are looking at this from different
points of view. (not opinions).


Gil