Near Similarities between sons of cain and sons of Seth

[CWH]

There are some amazing near similarities of the sons of Cain and Seth but I am not sure of the significance. I think it is worth some research....anyone?....gilgal?...Victor?....RAM?.. .perhaps, someone can look into the meaning of the names in Jewish.

Genesis 4:
17 Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.

19 Lamech married two women, one named Adah and the other Zillah. 20 Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who live in tents and raise livestock. 21 His brother’s name was Jubal; he was the father of all who play stringed instruments and pipes. 22 Zillah also had a son, Tubal-Cain, who forged all kinds of tools out of[g] bronze and iron. Tubal-Cain’s sister was Naamah.

Genesis 5:
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father[b] of Enosh. 7 After he became the father of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters. 8 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died.

9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 After he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Altogether, Enosh lived a total of 905 years, and then he died.

12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 After he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died.

15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 After he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived a total of 895 years, and then he died.

18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 After he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died.

21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 After he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked faithfully with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.

25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 After he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.

28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah[c] and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the LORD has cursed.” 30 After Noah was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters. 31 Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died.

Note the names of the sons of Cain and Seth in chronological order:

1. Cain, son of Adam
1. Seth, son of Adam, in replacement of Abel

2. Enoch, son of Cain
2. Enosh, son of Seth

3. Irad, son of Enoch
3. Kenan, son of Enosh

4. Mehujael, son of Irad
4. Mahalalel, son of Kenan

5. Methushael, son of Mehujael
5. Jared, son of Mahalalel

6. Lamech, son of Mathushael
6. Enoch, son of Jared

7. Jabal, Jubal, Tubal-Cain, sons of Lamech
7. Methuselah, son of Enoch

8.
8. Lamech, son of Methuselah

9.
9. Noah, son of Lamech


The near similarities (can be quite confusing):

Cain, son of Adam (Cain)
Kenan, son of Enosh (Seth), (Kenan sounds like Cain)

Enoch, son of Cain (Cain)
Enosh, son of Seth (Seth)
Enoch, son of Jared (Seth)

Irad, son of Enoch (Cain)
Jared, son of Mahalalel (Seth)

Mehujael, son of Irad (Cain)
Mahalalel, son of Kenan (Seth)

Methushael, son of Mahujael (Cain)
Methuselah, son of Enoch (Seth)

Lamech, son of Methushael (Cain)
Lamech, son of Methuselah (Seth)


There seems to be an alternating trend between the sons of Cain and the sons of Seth:

1. Cain, son of Adam (Cain)
3. Kenan, son of Enosh (Seth)

3. Irad, son of Enoch (Cain)
5. Jared, son of Mahalalel (Seth)

5. Methushael, son of Mehujael (Cain)
7. Methuselah, son of Enoch (Seth)

6. Lamech, son of Mathushael (Cain)
8. Lamech, son of Methuselah (Seth)


Note also the near similarities of the names of the sons of Lamech:

Jabal and Jubal (Adah)
.............Tubal-Cain (Zillah)

Many Blessings to all.

[CWH]

Managed to get some details of the meaning of the names:

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2000/284/


Hebrew to English meanings:

Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh - Mortal
Kenan - Sorrow
Mahalalel - The Blessed God
Jared - Shall come down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah - His death shall bring
Lamech - The despairing
Noah - Rest, or comfort

From gigal thread No. 1633:

http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1633

God - Noah:

Quote:
God - The God
Adam - Man
Sheth - is appointed
Enosh - a mortal man of
Kenan - sorrow!
Mahalaleel - The glory of God
Jered - shall come down
Henoch - instructing that
Methuselah - his death shall bring
Lamech - those in despair
Noah - comfort and rest!

Shem to Terah:

Quote:
Shem - The fame of
Arphaxad - Babylon's fortress (but I will make Babylon fade away!)
Cainan (missing in 1Chronicles 1) - and sorrow
Shelah - extend like a plant
Eber - beyond the place of
Peleg - division (at the tower of Babel).
Reu - A friend
Serug - (also) branches out,
Nahor - enraged
Terah - with fury!

Abram - Shemuel (Moses' grandson)

Quote:
Abram/Abraham - A glorious father/the father of a multitude
Isaac - laughs
Jacob/Israel - as he outwits (his enemy)/A mighty prince sees God
Levi - (then) joins himself to
Kohath - an assembly,
Amram - a glorious people
Moses - (whom) he rescued,
Gershom - stranger(s) in a strange land,
Shemuel - captives delivered by God!

Will get some more meanings of the names and organise it when time permits.

Dictionary of Hebrew names and meanings:

http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/bibl.php


Many Blessings.

[CWH]

The sons of Cain were thought to be the sons of Satan for Satan beguiled Eve. From a dictionary of Jewish names, I am able to gather that the sons of Cain seems to detail about the story of Cain:

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Cain.html

"For this crime, from that day on he led the life of an exile, bearing upon him some mark which God had gave him in answer to his cry for mercy. This may have served as a protection from the wrath of his fellow-men, or it may be that God only gave him some sign to assure him that he would not be slain (Gen. 4:15). Doomed to be a wanderer and a fugitive in the earth, he went forth into the “land of Nod,” i.e., the land of “exile”, which is said to have been in the “east of Eden,” and there he built a city, the first we read of, and called it after his son's name, Enoch."

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/cain.html

The meaning of the sons of Cain is:

Adam - Man
Cain - Acquired
Enoch - Teaching
Irad - Fugitive, City of Refuge
Mehujael - Destroyed
Methushael - Man of God
Lamech - the despairing


It seems to mean that Cain was taught the teaching of God i.e. being punished. He became a fugitive and wanders about and build a city called Enoch. He destroyed a man of God that was Abel and he was despaired i.e. he regretted having to suffer as a wanderer.

Many Blessings.

[Gil]

Howdy Cheou,

A brief answer to your posts.


For one thing it is all a continuing story. It jumps bask and forth for awhile in its telling.
It is a story that has its beginning after the discharge of Adam and Eve from the Garden.
It is the story of the man in the flesh. It begins after Adam and Eve had fully formed bodies of flesh.
It is about the two faces of Man and his Gods.
Cain was the son of the Earth and he would remain an earthly man. He and his generations.
Abel, his brother, Cain slew and his blood ran into the ground (the Earth/Land)
Seth would replace Abel and would begin the generations that would eventually become the children of Israel.
Seth's line was as a thread that would wind its way through the history of the Hebrew children.
It would culminate with the birth of Jesus and the New Man to be.
The children of darkness would be the generations of Cain and the children of Seth would in the end become the children of light through the last Adam Jesus Christ.
It follows the story of the Didache to a great extent in Ante Nicene literature.
The two ways.

Cain, son of the earth would again come face to face with the generations of Seth through Jethro, the Kenite priest of Midian.
The Kenite's were of the Cain line.

Seth's line were primarily nomads and wilderness sojourners.
Cain's line ,the builders of great cities , and were metal smiths and had knowledge of architecture .

It comes with no great surprise to me that the tent dwellers ,sheep and goat herders would get the savvy through Moses and his councilor/confidant Jethro the Kenite on how to build the great structures and maybe the greatest city of all, the walled city Jerusalem itself with a Temple fit for the inhabitation of a God.
The Kenites were primarily scribes of Israel and followed them were ever they went.
Most of the keepers of the Temple were Kenites after the remnant of the Jews left Babylonian captivity.

In a most real sense Cain acquired the true Spirit of the flesh man and
through Seth, Noah, Shem, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would come the true
Man of the Spirit of God himself, Jesus Christ.

I think that the Assyrians and Babylonians were all of the Cain line.
They say that All perished but Noah ,his wife and his sons and their wife's.
I doubt that very much.

Tracing the generations of Cain through literary history is an interesting
study. Most all scholars even agree to the fact that there was a pre-Adamic
race of blacks prior to Adam and Eve.
A part of secular history, not biblical history.
Sargon of Akkad is thought to be the great Cain himself, the first murder.
Cain knew of his origins in the Garden of Eden story and much is told in the Babylonian tablets and even through ancient literature in the far east as far as China.

Gil

[Richard Amiel McGough]

There are some amazing near similarities of the sons of Cain and Seth but I am not sure of the significance. I think it is worth some research....anyone?....gilgal?...Victor?....RAM?.. .perhaps, someone can look into the meaning of the names in Jewish.

...

The near similarities (can be quite confusing):

Cain, son of Adam (Cain)
Kenan, son of Enosh (Seth), (Kenan sounds like Cain)

Enoch, son of Cain (Cain)
Enosh, son of Seth (Seth)
Enoch, son of Jared (Seth)

Irad, son of Enoch (Cain)
Jared, son of Mahalalel (Seth)

Mehujael, son of Irad (Cain)
Mahalalel, son of Kenan (Seth)

Methushael, son of Mahujael (Cain)
Methuselah, son of Enoch (Seth)

Lamech, son of Methushael (Cain)
Lamech, son of Methuselah (Seth)

Hey there Cheow,

I've noticed the similarity between those genealogies, but I have no idea why. I'm glad you mentioned it. I hope someone comes up with a good answer.

All the best,

Richard

[CWH]

Hey there Cheow,

I've noticed the similarity between those genealogies, but I have no idea why. I'm glad you mentioned it. I hope someone comes up with a good answer.

All the best,

Richard

Let me attempt:

Cain, son of Adam (Cain) - Acquired
Kenan, son of Enosh (Seth) - Sorrow

Enoch, son of Cain (Cain) - Teaching
Enosh, son of Seth (Seth) - Mortal
Enoch, son of Jared (Seth)

Irad, son of Enoch (Cain) - Fugitive
Jared, son of Mahalalel (Seth) - Shall come down

Mehujael, son of Irad (Cain) - Destroyed
Mahalalel, son of Kenan (Seth) - the glory of God

Methushael, son of Mahujael (Cain) - Man of God
Methuselah, son of Enoch (Seth) - his death shall bring

Lamech, son of Methushael (Cain) - Despair
Lamech, son of Methuselah (Seth) - Despair

Can anyone make up the meanings or perhaps have a better interpretation?

However, it sounds more meaningful if the sons of Cain and sons of Seth are separated:

Sons of Cain:
Cain - Acquired
Enoch - Teaching
Irad - Fugitive, City of Refuge
Mehujael - Destroyed
Methushael - Man of God
Lamech - the despairing

Sons of Seth:
Seth - Appointed
Kenan, son of Enosh (Seth) - Sorrow
Enosh, son of Seth (Seth) - Mortal
Jared, son of Mahalalel (Seth) - Shall come down
Mahalalel, son of Kenan (Seth) - the glory of God
Methuselah, son of Enoch (Seth) - his death shall bring
Lamech, son of Methuselah (Seth) - Despair

Many Blessings.

[CWH]

Looking at the meaning of Adam, Eve, Abel, Cain and Seth, I am beginning to think that Abel's murder was already known by God to happen and was allowed to happen....why? God accepted Abel's offering but rejected Cain's offering which resulted in the tragic event of the murder of Abel. God could have stopped or prevented the murder of Abel but did not do it. God could have resurrected Abel after his murder but did not do it. Instead God punished Cain to be a wanderer but yet protected him so that anyone who kill Cain will be severely punished....why?....Then God created Seth to replace the murdered Abel, why?..... Was all this God's plan?....

Adam - Man created
Eve - to breathe and to live

Cain - Possession? acquired ....(? through murder)
Abel - by a breath/whiff (i.e. live temporary and disappear)
Seth - appointed (by God? to replace Abel?)

Many Blessings.

[Brother Les]

Hey there Cheow,

I've noticed the similarity between those genealogies, but I have no idea why. I'm glad you mentioned it. I hope someone comes up with a good answer.

All the best,

Richard

This is aluded to in the Book about Covenant Creation. The Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness are Brothers. The NT is full of many comparisons of The Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness. Paul touches on this and we can also see this in the Book of John 1: 1-12. What we should keep in mind these 'sons', of 'Light', of 'Darkness', are Brothers. They have the same 'Mother', but different 'Fathers'....

[CWH]

There are also some similarities between Lamech and Cain; not sure of the significance:

1. Cain killed Abel whereas Lamech killed a young man

2 "If Cain is avenged seven times,
then Lamech seventy-seven times.”

3. Lamech named one of his sons Tubal-Cain meaning "the offspring of Cain".

4. There was the "bad" Lamech from the lineage of Cain and there was the "good" Lamech from the lineage of Seth.

5. Genesis 5: "Altogether, Lamech (from the line of Seth) lived a total of 777 years, and then he died" seems related to "If Cain is avenged 7 times, then Lamech (from the line of Cain) 77 times.”. Lamech (from the line of Cain) seemed to be able to predict when Lamech (from the line of Seth) would die at age 777. They were probably contemporaries.

Many Blessings.

[gem]

There are some amazing near similarities of the sons of Cain and Seth but I am not sure of the significance.

Hi Cheow,
This is interesting! I never noticed the similarities.

5. Genesis 5: "Altogether, Lamech (from the line of Seth) lived a total of 777 years, and then he died" seems related to "If Cain is avenged 7 times, then Lamech (from the line of Cain) 77 times.'. Lamech (from the line of Cain) seemed to be able to predict when Lamech (from the line of Seth) would die at age 777. They were probably contemporaries.

This reminds me of something in Craig Paardekooper's Ebook- Enoch: An Essay on Angels- Have you read it?
This thread tells about it.
Enoch : an essay on angels
g.