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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
    But then what's the meaning of Pesach? Eber-over-passover
    Consider this passage that defines the passover:
    KJV Exodus 12:23 For the LORD will pass through (avar, Strongs 5674) to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over (pasach, Strongs 6452) the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.
    The verb pasach is the root of the noun Pesach (Passover). It is interesting that the verb avar is used in this context, but the actual verb that refers to the Lord "passing over" the Hebrews is pasach.
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    And:
    The meaning of the duality
    1) of the wine (a duality in itself as it is the third* fruit, here the third is red and white) 'jajin' 10-10-50 with word value 70 and the
    2) bread 'lechem' 30-8-40 with word value 78
    is identical to the pass over, together they characterize the noun Pesach, which is 80-60-8 with word value 148, like 70 + 78 = 148.


    One should know by now that the third is a duality in scemes like Jacob the twin is the third, the third day of creation has two times "And God says", the third in astrology is twins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NumberX View Post
    And:
    The meaning of the duality
    1) of the wine (a duality in itself as it is the third* fruit, here the third is red and white) 'jajin' 10-10-50 with word value 70 and the
    2) bread 'lechem' 30-8-40 with word value 78
    is identical to the pass over, together they characterize the noun Pesach, which is 80-60-8 with word value 148, like 70 + 78 = 148.


    One should know by now that the third is a duality in scemes like Jacob the twin is the third, the third day of creation has two times "And God says", the third in astrology is twins.
    Jacob:
    Jacob is the 3rd in series: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob;
    Jacob = "heel holder" or "supplanter";
    Genesis 25:26
    And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel (עקב `aqeb h6119); and his name was called Jacob (יעקב Ya`aqob h3290): and Isaac [was] threescore years old when she bare them.
    Notice that the first mentioning of the name Jacob is in spoke 3 (chapter 25) and the 1st mentioning of the word heel is in chapter 3:
    Genesis 3:15
    And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel (
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    `aqeb h6119).
    Passover:
    The number 148 might have some significance with spoke 14. The number 144 000 seems to have a connection to spoke 14 as well since it was mentioned in Revelation 14 (but it was also mentioned in chapter 7 as well). But Revelation 14 is also connected to the 14th epistle Hebrews where both say that they are gathered to mount Zion:
    Hebrews 12:22
    But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
    Revelation 14:1
    And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
    Another example which Richard had mentioned is the #149 occurring in Genesis 14:9.
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    The word Jacob in Gen. 3:15 already surprises me, in a translation it is covered. Once I had a discussion with someone who could not see that (the word) Adam already appears in Gen. 1, this is also covered by translation. I said you are dumb to not see and understand it and she went mad.

    How about linking Jacob the third to Jacob and the 70 (Exodus 1:5). You can link the 70 to more expressions yourself. But don't get drunk with it. We live in the world of (web)linking today and you can twitter around . Reuters and CERN twitter too.

    Passover and 14 is in the text connected with the 14th and 15th day of the (first) month, the full moon. On the outside (when you take a look at the moon) you can't see exactly when the moon is full, in the Word, then it's time for the noun Pesach (Passover).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NumberX View Post
    The word Jacob in Gen. 3:15 already surprises me, in a translation it is covered. Once I had a discussion with someone who could not see that (the word) Adam already appears in Gen. 1, this is also covered by translation. I said you are dumb to not see and understand it and she went mad.

    How about linking Jacob the third to Jacob and the 70 (Exodus 1:5). You can link the 70 to more expressions yourself. But don't get drunk with it. We live in the world of (web)linking today and you can twitter around :). Reuters and CERN twitter too.

    Passover and 14 is in the text connected with the 14th and 15th day of the (first) month, the full moon. On the outside (when you take a look at the moon) you can't see exactly when the moon is full, in the Word, then it's time for the noun Pesach (Passover).
    The other number where Jacob or James appears often is #15. Genesis 3:15, the 15th epistle. I also found out that in the 15th century Scotland had consecutive James' as monarchs up to the 17th century where King James VI became the 1st in Great Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    Yes, the word "Hebrew" is from root avar which means "to pass over" and by extension "from the other side." I find it curious that is phonetically similar to the semantically equivalent Greek "huper" and English "over."
    Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
    So Hebrew is related to the Passover right? Spoke 14
    Great Spoke 14 collection!

    • Hebrew comes from Ever, the 14th in the genealogy of Genesis.
    • Hebrews is the 14th Epistle.
    • Ever/Avar is the root of the word "pass over." The Passover celebration took place at Nisan 14th.
    • "Passover" is maximized on Spoke 14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Great Spoke 14 collection!

    • Hebrew comes from Ever, the 14th in the genealogy of Genesis.
    • Hebrews is the 14th Epistle.
    • Ever/Avar is the root of the word "pass over." The Passover celebration took place at Nisan 14th.
    • "Passover" is maximized on Spoke 14.
    This gets deeper all the time. I didn't know that Ever (usually translated as Eber) was the 14th. I just checked, and you are correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    This gets deeper all the time. I didn't know that Ever (usually translated as Eber) was the 14th. I just checked, and you are correct.
    I wonder what significance would the other names have in their place in the genealogy.
    Adam is obviously #1, starting with Aleph.
    Cainan is the 4th just as Genesis 4 mentions Cain, maybe derived from the same word?
    Mahalleleel is the 5th, with the root word hallel as in Halleluiah in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
    I wonder what significance would the other names have in their place in the genealogy.
    Adam is obviously #1, starting with Aleph.
    Cainan is the 4th just as Genesis 4 mentions Cain, maybe derived from the same word?
    Mahalleleel is the 5th, with the root word hallel as in Halleluiah in it.
    I have read about how Cain's first son, Gen. 4:17, Chanoch, the first 'city' also, corresponds to no. 7 (Gen. 5:18) in the line Adam-Moses (the 26 generations, where the Lord 10-5-6-5 word value 26 is with).
    There are those who went on the way of Caïn (Jude 1:11) so that's a way of life for some (several?, many?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NumberX View Post
    I have read about how Cain's first son, Gen. 4:17, Chanoch, the first 'city' also, corresponds to no. 7 (Gen. 5:18) in the line Adam-Moses (the 26 generations, where the Lord 10-5-6-5 word value 26 is with).
    There are those who went on the way of Caïn (Jude 1:11) so that's a way of life for some (several?, many?).
    Adam -Moses 26 generations? Adam -Isaac is 22 generations already.
    As for the 1st city built I think has more to do with the chapter 4 of Genesis, #4 being associated with city, wilderness.

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