THE YEAR OF THE CROSS: 30 OR 33 AD?

**TheForgiven** · 10-25-2010, 12:46 PM

Folks, I found a website from someone who wrote a very good article on the date of Christ's cricifixion. Here's a link:

http://www.bethlehemstar.net/day/day.htm#dating

It's a great deal of reading, but after reading the evidence he proposes, I must say that I'm convinced that Jesus died on the following date:

3 April 33(AD)

The alternate date of course is 7 April 30(AD).

Which of the two dates was the crucifixion of our Lord?

Anone care to take a stab at this?

God bless.

Joe

**Beck** · 10-25-2010, 02:46 PM

I must go with the alternate day of April 7th 30AD

If you want more just ask.

**TheForgiven** · 10-25-2010, 03:08 PM

I must go with the alternate day of April 7th 30AD
If you want more just ask.
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Yep, I want more. Why do you believe Jesus died on 7 April 30AD? Seems like the author of his article did pretty fantastic research on this. Of course, I too believe He died in 30AD instead of 33AD, but I've been unable to prove this.

What's your support for this bro?

Joe

**Beck** · 10-25-2010, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by TheForgiven

Yep, I want more. Why do you believe Jesus died on 7 April 30AD? Seems like the author of his article did pretty fantastic research on this. Of course, I too believe He died in 30AD instead of 33AD, but I've been unable to prove this.

What's your support for this bro?

Joe

Well, let start with something simple, the birth of Jesus. The site gave 3/2 BC without counting 0 so you would have Jesus at his baptism "about 30" (Luke 3:23) which would come to the year 26/27AD allowing for 3.5 years of ministry which would place it in the crucifixion in 30.5 AD. Some how with his on formula he still gives two dates to consider. If at 33AD an additional 3 years making Jesus at the cross of age 36.

Just to ask what was the year that Herod dead?

**TheForgiven** · 10-25-2010, 05:52 PM

Well, let start with something simple, the birth of Jesus. The site gave 3/2 BC without counting 0 so you would have Jesus at his baptism "about 30" (Luke 3:23) which would come to the year 26/27AD allowing for 3.5 years of ministry which would place it in the crucifixion in 30.5 AD. Some how with his on formula he still gives two dates to consider. If at 33AD an additional 3 years making Jesus at the cross of age 36.

Just to ask what was the year that Herod dead?
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I'd say you've got a great point. I had not followed his calculations to well. It appears to me that he's primarily focusing on the lunar eclipse theory instead of checking the rest of his arguments. His initial presentation concluded with two possible dates:

1. 7 April 30 AD
2. 3 April 33 AD

How in the world do you arrive at two different dates from the same mode of calculation?

That's where I started getting a little hesitant to accept his data, although it sounded accurate at first glance.

His only solution to choosing between the two dates was back-tracking modern lunar eclipses to those of the 1st century. Based on his findings, the only time an eclipse takes place between either of the two dates was on 3 April 33 AD. The problem I have with this theory is that we do not know if an eclipse took place at all. Scripture merely states that a "strange darkness" came over the land. Well what's so strange about an eclipse?

It's not like that was the first ever eclipse to occur. So the eclipse theory, in my opinion, is vague at best sense the text does not suggest an eclipse.

God any more goodies?

Joe

**Beck** · 10-25-2010, 06:36 PM

Well, if you like that then follow my question of when is Herod dated as dieing? Before Jesus or After? Would it be 4BC in which if that is the case Jesus must have been born sometime in 5BC. That's why I asked the question.

Also something to consider is the timing of Paul's conversion to which he went of Jerusalem for the conncil which has been dated as 50AD. Galatains 1:15, 2:1 Paul claimed after 3 years and then another 14 years he returned to Jerusalem which by simple math 50 -(3+14)= 33. That would be 33AD for Paul's conversion, how then is it possible that Jesus was on the cross in 33AD?

**TheForgiven** · 10-25-2010, 06:52 PM

Well, if you like that then follow my question of when is Herod dated as dieing? Before Jesus or After? Would it be 4BC in which if that is the case Jesus must have been born sometime in 5BC. That's why I asked the question.

Also something to consider is the timing of Paul's conversion to which he went of Jerusalem for the conncil which has been dated as 50AD. Galatains 1:15, 2:1 Paul claimed after 3 years and then another 14 years he returned to Jerusalem which by simple math 50 -(3+14)= 33. That would be 33AD for Paul's conversion, how then is it possible that Jesus was on the cross in 33AD?
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This would be a good point if we knew exactly how long it was for Paul to convert after the crucifixion of Christ. If I'm not mistaken, the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts, happened several days after the ascension of Christ. Paul's conversion was not likely 3 years after the death of Jesus in 30AD. Perhaps you could correct me on this. Of course, I don't mind be proven wrong in this case because I too accept the 30AD dating of the crucifixion.

God bless.

Joe

**Brother Les** · 10-26-2010, 07:19 AM

God any more goodies?

Joe

I will toss this out for everyone to think on.

The writer of the article screwed up big time in the first several paragraph.
What did he do? He 'assumed'.... "ass/ u / me"

He has taken a weekly Sabbath (Saturday) as a 'no work day' and pushed 'Friday' to be 'always' be The Preparation Day. But the Gospels reference this as 'Passover Week'????? 'Passover' is Only One Day....

Where does this 'week' come from?

We must not forget the (7) Seven Feasts of The Lord.
The 'week' Feast that is going on is The Feast of Unleaven Bread.
These Seven Feasts of The Lord were called High Holy Day FeastsThe first day of the 'Week Feast' of Unleaven Bread was the High Sabbath. These 'Sabbaths' rarely landed on a Saturday.

John 19: 31The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation (for 'Passover AND Unleaven... Brother Les), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Leviticus 23
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

3Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

4These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

5In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.

6And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

7In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Our Lord was The Passover Lamb and as that Lamb it needs be that He died on ..... Passover ie.... The 14th is The Day of 'Preparation' for The Feast of Unleaven Bread that is on the 15th and is 'A' 'High Holy Day', even if it were to fall outside of Saturday (the weekly Sabbath).

The Writer of the article 'assumes' and with him starting out 'wrong', it is a very good chance that he will end wrong....

Food for thought.

Blessings

**Beck** · 10-26-2010, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by TheForgiven

This would be a good point if we knew exactly how long it was for Paul to convert after the crucifixion of Christ. If I'm not mistaken, the day of Pentecost in the book of Acts, happened several days after the ascension of Christ. Paul's conversion was not likely 3 years after the death of Jesus in 30AD. Perhaps you could correct me on this. Of course, I don't mind be proven wrong in this case because I too accept the 30AD dating of the crucifixion.

God bless.

Joe

Yes, you are right Joe, but we don't know when Paul was converted, the only clues are these in retrospect. If we notice that the ministry unto the Jews lasted only a short time then the gospel went out unto the Gentiles in which Paul was among the first to be converted as seen in Acts 9 and also Peter preaching to the Gentiles Acts 10.

So to say that Paul's conversion was not likely 3 years later some where around 33AD would be given the disciples more time to preach the gospel to children of Israel than that of Jesus ministry. The reason I say this is becasue of how in Daniel with the "weeks" determined. We know that seventy weeks have been determined and after the 69th shall the Messiah be cut off, this speaks of Jesus on the cross in the midst of the "week" the seventh week being the final week. Which if Jesus is cut off in the midst of the week in 30AD then 3.5 years would still remain of that final "week". I hope you can follow me in this...

This remaining 3.5 week would consist between 30AD to 33AD in which his disciples preached to Daniel's people that which was determined upon them. Then after the final week has come to pass the gospel then would go out unto all the world. Paul is that chosen one to go to the Gentiles Acts. 9:15

Considering all things a picture forms that it must have been in 30AD that Jesus was crucified. Another thing to consider is the year of Jubilee would it likely happen in 30AD or 33AD?

**Beck** · 10-26-2010, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Brother Les

I will toss this out for everyone to think on.

The writer of the article screwed up big time in the first several paragraph.
What did he do? He 'assumed'.... "ass/ u / me"

He has taken a weekly Sabbath (Saturday) as a 'no work day' and pushed 'Friday' to be 'always' be The Preparation Day. But the Gospels reference this as 'Passover Week'????? 'Passover' is Only One Day....

Where does this 'week' come from?

Our Lord was The Passover Lamb and as that Lamb it needs be that He died on ..... Passover ie.... The 14th is The Day of 'Preparation' for The Feast of Unleaven Bread that is on the 15th and is 'A' 'High Holy Day', even if it were to fall outside of Saturday (the weekly Sabbath).

The Writer of the article 'assumes' and with him starting out 'wrong', it is a very good chance that he will end wrong....

Food for thought.

Blessings

Brother Les,

I'm glad you posted this I would total agree, Amen