Young Earth Creationism

[Mad Mick]

G'day jce, you wrote,

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Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens"

This is a "rare" example, but still begs the question... "Why was not a plural "yom" inserted here?".

I believe your reading out of context, 2:4 starts a new paragraph and backtracks to a time during the creation on the 3rd day when he created the Man Adam. He is talking about a specific day. Therefore we need to read it, and read it again from a different perspective. It's easy to miss the message in context, especially when your looking for a different answer.

This is called biased. Not scientific at all. Don't worry the best of us here make this mistake daily. Reading the KJ alone can do that to you, as much as I dislike the NIV I still use it for extra clarification to help me understand the text. The beauty is this site is full of pretty sharp people, who will not only sharpen your own act but enable you to fire on all cylinders!

I'm a Young Creation believer, why(?), cause around 1890AD the amplifying electron valve was created by a bloody monkey. This enabled stupider yet craftier monkeys to manipulate time in a box.

(This was Relatively verified by a Using SOB monkey smoking his big fat cigar round the 1920's with his wife's theory of which he was responsible for about 30% yet took 100% of everything, dropped her like like a hot spud for a younger version and was never known to write anything of the like again.)

Getting back to the story by the mid to late 1920's they managed to succeed in both slowing down and speeding up time within an enclosed environment. This means that anyone today, if they knew what they were doing could say for about a $200USD place a seedling in a shoe box with enough water and a light globe and battery, increase the container time rate by say X50,000 for 2 minutes then open your box and pick a fresh ripe tomato! Serious.

Now if a bunch of monkeys can do that after 2,000 years of Christ taught civilization in a Demonic driven environment,

What makes you think for one second God can't do any better?!!

I'll tell you the reason. You still really don't believe in God, Period!

It's the problem with our generation, "We can't see the forest for the tree's." We allow some idiots theory to get in the way of our better judgment. These same people are only interested in one thing, "Total control over you." (Martha Davis sang it well.)

Now the only way anyone should approach the bible is without blinkers. This means that as you may already know, the bible is an historic book as well as an instructional book and believed to be the inspired word of God written by men. This instruction is in two parts, the moral laws and the prophecies of future accounts (according to the time the author wrote them).

Now the problem is that the history, law and prophecy overlay one another, now I don't just mean mixed in together but literally the very same text can refer to all three parts at once, yet it doesn't end there. Every prophesy occurs in history more than once, the language used is both literal and figurative, the letters follow infinitely layered numerical codes where both the linguistic and numerical meanings are intertwined; they also identify biological and universal laws both directly and indirectly. There is no other book in the history of mankind that comes within a sniff of the bible.

Anyone who claims that the bible is anything less that what I've just mentioned are both ignorant and foolish.

Anyone who claims that they fully understand a single sentence in the bible are a liar, a fool and an even greater threat to you and humanity than the sceptic.

People willfully follow a good speaker, just look at Jim Jones. The problem is when you've been brought up to think partially, your ability to think laterally has gone straight out the door, along with the truth.

Here's the litmus test, ready?
When you sow a seed you should get some fruit, right?
When John the Baptist asked whether Jesus was the one, Jesus' reply was Matt. 11:5 "The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised and the good news is being preached to the poor."
Sound familiar?
The question is, "Is THIS happening in YOUR life?" If miracles are not happening for the people your praying for, then you need to get out into the wilderness and have an Elijah moment, just the three of you. God, you and your Bible.

Now I'm not saying every prayer gets answered, but at least half of them should. If you pray for one person for 5 minutes a week what do you expect. You have to EXERCISE your prayer time. The more you do it the more you will believe and most importantly succeed.

Now look at verse 6 this is most important Jesus says, "Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me."

Wow, what a soul exposing statement that was! Who here can say they've never turned someone away?

When PRIDE enters in and you start to bum chum with people here regarding your particular belief, you create a sub culture of division amongst the community.

Now I picked up on it straight away, I'll explain.

1. You advocate a long Earth history which tells me that you are more inclined to believe Darwin.
2. This therefore opens the door for you to pick and choose which scripture suits you.

These 2 things which the average person would not give two hoots about, tells a person like me a great deal.
You see I had a natural talent for astrology while still very young. I've picked up repetitive characteristics regarding peoples responses regarding certain biblical beliefs. Basically the more people you talk to the better you get at psychoanalysis. What makes a person exceptional at this is their ability to recall this information.

Now I used to be real good until I hooked up with dope, never the less I didn't over do it and I don't smoke any more, so at the age of 45 the old forte is coming back, so to speak.

Now without even knowing you, I know the scripture and Jesus taught me there are specific Demons that affect people in different ways ie. Charles Darwin (Agnostic) lived his life according to what he believed which was natural selection. He ended up marrying his cousin and reared mentally disabled children. This denial of God in the slightest, opens the door for hereditary sickness. It opens the door to homosexuality expressed clearly in the Torah. But most dangerously a person who does not adhere to the Bible as much, fears less of the consequences and is a Prime target for witchcraft!

Rebellion is Witchcraft! Believe it or not. The US formed under rebellion and has been a slave to witchcraft ever since. Haiti, same problem.

So lets get back to you, your neither where you want to be in your life nor do you see miracles happening around you, because you believe but don't follow whole heartedly and the Demons are having a field day with you, and I know for a fact you are being robbed ridiculously. As much as you would love to be in control you most definitely have not got this Bull by the horns!

The spirit behind Darwin leeds to racism, low tolerance towards other beliefs, customs, appearances, states, territories any boundary whatsoever, jobs, social status, position, role, anything. Elitism, nationalism, it legitimized Nazism and the Holocaust in Germany and Europe, Russia, Asia, North and South America, Australia, even more so in Africa and the Middle East time and time again repeatedly. It's "Blue Eyes, Brown Eyes," have you seen the program? If your not looking down, your looking straight back up with attitude!

I know it, I was dragged up in that crap!
But I tell you now, you know when you've met a person who's hot for God. There's always hope and OPTIMISM in their speech, the Number One Key!
Pessimism is important, it keeps us level headed, but no more than 33.3% the other 66.6% belongs to Optimism. Think of it like this Satan took 1/3rd of the angels with him. 2/3rd's stayed in heaven.

Yes this universe is Asymmetric as our unconventional brother Raphael most passionately expressed. If it wasn't so nothing would exist, it is also the drive mechanism for the universe, without over unity everything would decay instantly, the entire universe at once!

I've said enough for now I saw the beginnings of another Steamrolling Mechanism for the sake of mindless conversion. It's not fair to the rest of the community that you should be so PROUD and brazen like a prostitute thinking you know better than people you don't even know.

There is a section in the Central Hub > Eschatology for the converters!

I suggested Richard provide a place at the bottom of the forum where people can spread as much mindless propaganda as they like, it would also double as a dumping ground for threads that turn into slanging matches.

Now since this place does not exist I've left an open invitation, go to my Avatar and read my message to Joel. But please the connotation you made to conversion ABSOLUTELY INFURIATED ME! We come here to learn and share, NOT PREACH AND CONVERT.

Non believers don't come here fool, the majority are already converted. What your doing is SCALPING!
Now I know where you come from is the same as in Australia, scalpers are considered the scum of the Earth.

Now you let that slip and I forgive you. But you let the cat out of the bag, so if your serious about what you believe since you classify yourself as a so called CONVERTER, I invite you to go to my messages as I instructed,
or be still,
stay quiet,
listen
and you just might learn something.
Shhh

God Bless you Brother
May all your future decisions be wise and well thought out. May you succeed for the Church of God in the name of Christ Jesus his son, Amen.

Mick

[CWH]

I am also a Young Earth Creationist also.

It is evident from astronomers that new planets and stars are born even today in the universe. Imagine if Earth was one of those planets that was borned yesterday, is the earth billions of years old because the light from the furthest star billions of light years away managed to reached us?

God can expand or condensed time. Just a thought, which although I am skeptical but this may be another perspective in what Perter meant in 2 Peter 3:8 :

With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Revolution round the sun is what defines a year.
A complete rotation of the earth round its own axis defines a day.

Can a day be like a thousand years? Yes, imagine if the Earth took 1,000 years to go round the sun and also took 1,000 years to rotate very slowly round its own axis. That means time of its revolution round the sun and the time that it completes its rotation took the same 1,000 years.

Can a thousand years be like a day? Yes, imagine if the Earth were to rovolve round the sun very fast(or even slow) at 1,000 times and at the same time it took the earth to complete one rotation on its axis. In fact, this is exactly what some astronomers believe how the galaxy with its stars and planets are formed with the centre of the galaxy revolving at tremendous speed and then slows down that it forms the spiral tails of the galaxy that contains the stars with the planets:



Although the idea may seems farfetch but there is a possibilty; to God everything is possible. I am not trying to confuse everybody but just sharing my thoughts.

Many Blessings.

[Hugh391]

I am pleased to see discussion on creation/origins and Genesis one. I have been interested in this for some time.

I believe that the days of Genesis one are ordinary days of axis rotation. However I do not see that the heavens and the earth were created within the 6 days. The six days have to do with the making of the earth hospitable for man's habitation. The first day does not begin until God says 'let there be light' on the surface of the water-submerged planet. Before this time there already exists the heavens and the earth, darkness, surface of the deep (ocean), the deep (ocean), also called waters which are covering the earth.

In verse 2 the Spirit of God is hovering (brooding) over the face of the waters anticipating the preparation of a home for mankind. The first day does not begin until verse 3.

I believe that the first few verses of Genesis must be read very slowly and carefully so that the initial bits of information are not rushed into the first day which begins in verse 3.

Genesis 1:1,2 (ASV)
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Verse one gives us the information that God created 2 entities, the heavens and the earth. Verse two begins to give us more details about the second named entity, the earth.

The Bible does not tell us how old the universe is, nor the age of the mineral based earth. However what can be traced is the biosphere including mankind which is perhaps 6000 years.

Hugh391

[Anita Meyer]

Hello Mad Mick,

You got one fine post there!

Great stuff on Darwin - you hit it right on the head!

I don’t think I could have said it better… That people nowadays because of advances in technology, (which includes astronomy and the likes) opens the door for people to pick and choose which scripture suits them. Their mind goes astray and they start thinking long durations of time for creation to have occurred, and thus evolution, simply because science is pushing us in that direction.

An evolutionist told me just the other day that the “Evolution Theory” is now a FACT - simply because its been tried again and again. Even though they did not succeed at creating a new thing according to him, it was now a FACT because its been scientifically tried. Did you all get that, its now a FACT! Hilarious - what kind of sham is this?!

I just had someone email me the other day asking all about "abiogenesis". It seems that evolutionists always fall back on what’s called “abiogenesis” which means life coming from non life. They don’t focus on the “origin” of life, only the diversity of it - this is what they are taught and drilled on over and over again. My rebuttal on this was that abiogenesis violates the law of “biogenesis“ which means life originating from life - BTW biogenesis is a not a theory but a law of nature - IT IS A GIVEN FACT OF LIFE! Secondly abiogenesis is only a speculative hypothesis that has no evidence to back it up, and thirdly like I said, there is no credible mechanism for it like “biogenesis”. Basically what “abiogenesis” does it stop us from thinking logically and gear us into believing the evolution theory.

[Anita Meyer]

Hi Mick, I wanted to follow up on Darwin and the threat of his whole ideology of "natural selection" which poses a great threat to all moralism and society...

Jeffrey Dahmer was a product of Darwinism! One of America’s most infamous serial killers who cannibalized more than 17 boys before being captured, gave a last interview with Dateline NBC nine months before his death, and he said the following about why he acted as he did: “If a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime. When we died, you know, that was it, there was nothing….” (Dateline NBC, The Final Interview, Nov. 29, 1994).

[bonbon]

Despite what the bible says the earth is not 6000-10000 years old. It is simply not possible unless God made it "look so" which would be a ridiculous claim to start with. Of course, it does not disprove the idea of God.

#Anita
A respond to you (just because I love you so much )
The evolutionist guy you spoke with did probably not say that; he probably said something at the line :" evolution is BOTH a theory and a fact" which is the opinion of 99.99 per cent of the scientific community in all fields (even M. Behe accept the idea of common ancestor: http://www.arn.org/docs/behe/mb_dm11496.htm).
poll sources:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm (95 per cent of scientists - incl. those not related to the field of evolution such as computer science. Excl. those not related to earth and life science it is 99.85 per cent in the US).

[Mad Mick]

Look Lolly Boy,
She isn't coming back to this forum, ok.
She told me so. Are you satisfied Student!
Are you Proud to have ganged up with Richard and beat up on a girl
Some kids mother!

Regardless of her material, your unrelenting attack on her was low, uncalled for and deplorable. The least you could do is apologize for your rudeness. Your sarcastic crass Love remark was another sign of your spiritual immaturity amongst fellow believers, which is not welcome here.

You may think some of our views are a Joke! Fine, why don't you just go then. For your supreme intellect is far too much for us stupid people to fathom!

On the other hand should you choose to repent and show some understanding you just might gain a LITTLE humility which seems to be lacking around Educational Institutions.

I invite you to go back and read over my post #11. In fact why don't you go to my avatar and read all my posts.
May God forgive your actions in the name of Christ Jesus, amen.
Mick

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Look Lolly Boy,
She isn't coming back to this forum, ok.
She told me so. Are you satisfied Student!
Are you Proud to have ganged up with Richard and beet up on a girl
Some kids mother!

Hey Mick!

Are you being sexist here? Are you saying that women are intellectually weak and that we should treat them with "kid gloves" whereas it would be OK to speak to a man directly and with truth?

Regardless of her material, your unrelenting attack on her was low, uncalled for and deplorable. The least you could do is apologize for your rudeness. Your sarcastic crass Love remark was another sign of your spiritual immaturity amongst fellow believers, which is not welcome here.

I generally agree that we should "speak the truth in love" - but then again, I also get so sick of liars that I make an exception for them.

Anita knows that she got her info from the internet, yet she presents it as her own discovery and flat-out LIED about "not using the internet for research." That lie is as moronic as it is transparent. She presented NOTHING but a collection of junk she picked up off the internet! And beyond that, have you considered the claim she makes of "her" book? She said "There is nobody on the face of the Earth that has the full encompassing knowledge that this book contains." Anyone who makes an outrageously arrogant and false claim like that should be able to handle a little blowback from the internet. If not, then good riddance. I'm not interested in coddling self-inflated egos. I am a 50 year old man and have seen enough tripe and trash on the internet for a lifetime. I'm not going to propagate it here on my own forum.

So let's look at her primary claim, highlighted red above. I asked in the other thread if she has presented anything not already seen on the internet. No one has answered as yet. So my challenge to anyone supporting her is to answer that one question.

All the very best to you my friend. I trust you take no offense in my plain speech, since that is something you practice with great regularity.

Richard

[Mad Mick]

Yeah I'm hearin ya.
It's your call, but for the rest of us it's not on.
We're guests and can't afford to give God a bad image, nor this site. You KNOW how many times I've taken the bait already. Should you slip up it's your own undoing, yet it's more acceptable for you to clean up this site than for lolly boy to chase and harass her around the net. There are places we just don't go.
Yes, Men are different to women. We have advantages over them in some areas and they have advantages over us in others and while Satan still roams this forsaken plot, "Never The Twain Shall Meet!"

And I thank God for that!

For I'm just not that narcissistic to want to be married to myself!

Let it be like water of a ducks back, well and truly under the bridge.
I still gave it to junior privately though,
I just couldn't help myself.

I still thought she had a potential, if guided correctly would have been an asset to the site.

Then again there's only so much you can take.
Oh well, win some lose some.
May God endow you with an even greater anointing for loving instruction.
Mick

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Yeah I'm hearin ya.
It's your call, but for the rest of us it's not on.
We're guests and can't afford to give God a bad image, nor this site. You KNOW how many times I've taken the bait already. Should you slip up it's your own undoing, yet it's more acceptable for you to clean up this site than for lolly boy to chase and harass her around the net. There are places we just don't go.
Yes, Men are different to women. We have advantages over them in some areas and they have advantages over us in others and while Satan still roams this forsaken plot, "Never The Twain Shall Meet!"

And I thank God for that!

For I'm just not that narcissistic to want to be married to myself!

Let it be like water of a ducks back, well and truly under the bridge.
I still gave it to junior privately though,
I just couldn't help myself.

I still thought she had a potential, if guided correctly would have been an asset to the site.

Then again there's only so much you can take.
Oh well, win some lose some.
May God endow you with an even greater anointing for loving instruction.
Mick

Hey Mick,

I hear you too.

It's not always pleasant to interact with strangers on the internet. I've worked hard to make this a place where different ideas and points of view are welcomed and encouraged. And I agree that there really was not a need for bonbon's last post in this thread, and the sense of being "stalked" on the internet is not good for anyone.

But ... that said, I think Anita brought it all on herself. Honest, integrity, truthfulness are fundamental to any interaction to be worth our time and effort. The fact that she denied using the internet for research pretty much put her "over the top" of the garbage dump in my book. I have no patience for some who is willing to lie to my face like that. It only confirmed everything I had already concluded from the rest of the evidence.

Thanks for working with me on this,

Richard